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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: TrophyHunter on November 21, 2008, 09:34:17 AM
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Hey everyone, I can see by reading the replies on the derby post that there is alot of discussion on where the money should go this year, I want this to be fair and I don't want it to be my decision alone.... I have set up a poll and in the end the organization with the most votes gets the money ... simple as that
happy voting !!
Rick
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looks like whoever gets it, it is going to be close !!
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At least if it goes to the family fishing society it would really help with getting the educational aspect of ethical fishing out there for those to learn. So my vote is for them. The education has to start somewhere and this is the perfect place for the money as most of the people there are beginners to fishing.
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Since the derby is going to be held on the Vedder my vote goes to the Chilliwack River Action Committee.
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It would ne nice to know which derby you are referring to? Not everyone is from the coast.
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It would ne nice to know which derby you are referring to? Not everyone is from the coast.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=19295.0
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The Defence Alliance gets my vote. Without them fighting for the sports fishermen we can all kiss fishing access to our local rivers away. Vedder included.
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They are all good causes, but the SDA gets my vote. If we don't help them fight for our fishing rights, we may not have any in a few years time.
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Not to throw a wrench in this question...ok, hell yes, i'll throw a wrench sucker...You've done a great job and each year I believe raised over a thousand bucks for your cause..
To play devils advocate, I don't know if any of your choices really apply the money for/where it is needed most...
I would like to suggest a couple things...
If you want this money to go to the rivers..Maybe ask Rodney (as he's got his finger on the pulse so to speck) and find out what program can actually benefit the most from the money? ( i.e. hatchery program on the vedder,)
I believe the hatchery is always looking for volunteers etc. and i'd bet that they could use the extra money(s)
It would be interesting to know what other groups could benefit? Is there a group that is actually going to put up some shoring to block off the clay bank? I know allot more is being done with a helluva lot less...
As much as you ask us where the money should go, this is your derby and you should, while maybe asking advice, be the one who chooses where it goes...
Personally, if it went to a scholarship each year for a kid who is going to school to become a marine biologist or something that helps our oceans, that would be a great choice...
If you donated the money to Canuck house etc...they are run on donations...that would be a great choice as well...
There's a program that takes returning wounded soldiers out and shows them that they can fish even when they've lost a limb etc. That or the Vedder hatchery would be my #1 choice...
Hell you could rent a hall for the night and get all the bums in chilliwack drunk and call it"All Saint Ricks" day and you might have a statue build for you in a few years...
I guess what i'm saying is, giving money to these organizations is so vanilla, it sounds good, you get a handshake and then what? Putting TR derby on a scholarship, hatchery enhancement, or a day on the water for a returning vet. sure makes more sense to me!!!
Fly section will be donating all it's hard earned gains to "All Saint Dicks Day" bring out the rum!!!! ;D
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Chilliwack River Action Commitee. I say this because the river needs some serious help in regards with the clay banks. Heck the river might not even be fishable that day if we have a good rain..... May as well donate it to the river it is held on and actually make it fishable (for the most part) for the whole season.
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Seeing it is a steelhead derby, and the steelhead society does get the moneys matched from many other groups .I think this would be a good option. I have caught thousands of these buggers, now I hope some of the younger fellas, and Gals can catch them in the future.
There are some projects coming up such as stream fertilization, habitat restoration and water use alternitives. I would be happy to post more projects that happen as they come along.
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Rick i hope you try the catch and release category this year, wild fish or Hatchs released, digi pic of fish for the same prizes as killed fish, will be seen as a good aspect to any derby? thoughts
Yes I have thought about it, the first year I held the derby we talked about it, unortunately there would be no fair way of comparing a picture to an actual fish, we have already seen how close the weights can be ( whithin an ounce)
The only fair way of doing it would be to have separate classes..... And for this derby which is not that big it doesn't make sense , we are already concidering having a fly only division which means more work and organization as it is.
Thankyou for the suggestion, but I think I will keep it as a bonked hatchery fish derby.
Rick
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Since both Chilliwack River Action Committee and Steelhead Society of BC are receiving equally higher amount of votes, here is an idea for Rick to toy with.
Those who have chosen the Chilliwack River Action Committee probably wish to see the money goes into the river where the derby is held. At the same time I'm sure many have reservation on supporting CRAC financially due to its lack of activity lately. The Steelhead Society of BC conducts projects across the province where steelhead streams are in need of help. Perhaps the money can go into the Steelhead Society of BC for a specific project that can be carried out on the Chilliwack River? A day-project such as in-stream fertilization, spawning channel expansion or riparian repair next summer can let those who donate be physically involved in it as well. Perhaps Rick can find out more from Jim, who can discuss with Greg from MoE to get something going? Just an idea.
I also think Rick should decide which group he thinks is best to support after all the information is given to him. Don't just based on the votes in this thread, since the derby is not held on behalf of the forum, there surely will be non-forum members participating in this event. Whichever group you choose, I'm sure most will be happy and support your decision. Obviously some will not approve, but you can't please everyone in this real world. ;)
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We can donate our money to whoever we want but we can't really tell them what to do with it. Only "High Rollers" can do that, and that's definitely not us. You don't donate to cancer research and tell them you only want the money to go to a research center in BC. Doesn't work that way.
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I was just thinking that there may be some indecision on some voters as to were the donation could go to , and maybe a little info on what these groups recent past and future projects that they plan to work on could go a long way to helping people make a informed choice,i see there is some info about some of these groups but i personally would like to know more depth about the steelhead society ,what recent projects have they been involved in and what plans going forward are they currently working on or are planning to be part of.Do they have an up to date web site etc.
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I too would like to know as I would hate to see a donation from hard working people go to waste. I say if the vote is so close we just donate it to childrens hospital or to the Cancer society.
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Seems so close, all good causes....since it's a steelhead derby, the logical choice seems to be the Steelhead Society. Like Rod said, we aren't going to be able to make everyone happy. Not like anyone will be unhappy if it goes to the Steelhead Society.
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If you want to learn more about SSBC go to the AGM here are the details
DATE: Sunday, November 30, 2008
TIME: 11 am to approximately 2 pm
PLACE: BCGEU Fraser Valley Area Office 8555 - 198A Street, Langley Twp (“Twp” required for mapquest)
AGENDA:
11 am: Thompson River update, Rob Bison, Ministry of Environment
12:30 to adjournment:
Door Prizes ( more reasons to go )
A st croix float rod retail value: $299.98
fenwick levelwind rod and reel value $199.98
Islander 4.0 lx retail value $699.98
CND GPS spey line. reatil value $139.99
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I am very happy to see how many votes we had on this poll !!!! 71 voters so far !! hopefully all those who have voted will be able to make it to the derby in Febuary, I am working with a few people this year all of whom are talking to the local area tackle shops and we are all working towards getting as many people out as possible, looking at the response so far it looks like we will easily exceed 100 entries this year ;D ;D ;D I have a few more ideas in the works and if all goes well we should have a very nice $$ total this year to donate!!!
Thx to everybody that is taking part and I hope that we can all be happy in the end that we raised a good chunk of money for a worthy cause.
just so you all know, a prize list is being assembled as we speak and all I can say is WOW !!! this derby will be the best yet for prizes and monies raised !!
cheers Rick
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If you want to learn more about SSBC go to the AGM here are the details
DATE: Sunday, November 30, 2008
TIME: 11 am to approximately 2 pm
PLACE: BCGEU Fraser Valley Area Office 8555 - 198A Street, Langley Twp (“Twp” required for mapquest)
AGENDA:
11 am: Thompson River update, Rob Bison, Ministry of Environment
12:30 to adjournment:
Door Prizes ( more reasons to go )
A st croix float rod retail value: $299.98
fenwick levelwind rod and reel value $199.98
Islander 4.0 lx retail value $699.98
CND GPS spey line. reatil value $139.99
As much as i think it would be very informative to attend the AGM, I have to work and cannot attend ,not everyone is able to attend these meetings that is why i think a little info on the website about what these groups are all about will be helpfull ,also while some of us may have more knowledge of what these groups do there are many more concerned anglers that don't ,the more info available will help everyone make a more knowledgable selection for the donation.example,look at all the votes for CRAC, In a perfect situation one would think CRAC would be perfect to donate the money to in order to help the very river the derby is being held at,but in reality how active has CRAC been lately,were they not the group that turned down the donation from this derby last year,to some point I'm sure all of these organizations are worthy of the donation but having a little more insight into what they are doing is not a bad thing.
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Website: http://www.steelheadsociety.org/
Contact: info@steelheadsociety.com
I live on the Island and well be joining. I know these guys care about the resource as these guys are just like the rest of us. They are anglers. They are also hoping to open chapters here on the Island and the North Coast. I cant make the meeting either but well get the minutes from the meeting.
I am sure once the meeting is over you can go on some of the other sites ( flybc ) and see the discussions regarding the meeting.
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It is nice to post a link but I would like to see someone from the organizations to tell us what this money would help do for their organization. Cammer already told us what it could be used for if it went to the family fishing weekend and I am sure the SDA would use it to fight the government especially with the gravel removal. CRAC keeps talking about stabilizing the clay banks but they seem to be getting worse and I have herd absolutly nothing about what the steelhead society has been doing.
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The steelhead society has had very little interest for the last while. while we all know steelhead are getting fewer and fewer, this has inspired many peoples interest. the membership was low, but with the 75 active members the society still contributes to several projects that our small budget allows.The website was inactive for a long while, costs to update and run the web sites were too much, but we have several people interested in doing it for free, so be patient we will have an updated site soon.(perhaps just after the AGM). we will be listing projects that volunteers are needed, and where the money has gone. there are more and more people signing up every day, we welcome any person to join and have a voice in where you want the money to go.
Bottom line, the money goes to steelhead.
some of the projects that have been done with the society's money are, shovelnose creek habitat restoration,spawning channels ( this is a trib to the squamish) A water gauge on the clearwater, a trib to the nicola on the Thompson, this water gauge also has a yearly cost to do maintenance. these gauges are used to monitor water flows. also the money has gone into stream fertilization on rivers such as silverhope,coquihalla,and several other rivers in the fraser valley and squamish.
there are many more projects that we have done but, I will post more later.
I will keep everyone updated on the society's progress.
Jim
btw thanks, BB for the posts.
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I have spoken to the acting president and some directors (other than my self ::)) and they would like the money to go to the CRAC, or used by CRAC to pay for stream fertilization/habitat....
we will work together........
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good to hear,thanks for the info JBJ,its good to hear that interest in the steelhead society is on the rise,for a while there it was like they fell off of the face of the earth.
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Agreed Cammer, I'm just a little grouchy latley...........sorry
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Rick, perhaps for now we should simply generalize by saying that donated fund will go toward the Chilliwack River habitat? In the meantime, perhaps Jim can find out from Greg at MoE or the SSBC to possibly set up a day fertilization project so it could be presented to derby participants at the end of the derby. I could also find out from Dave at CRAC what future projects have been planned out. If I recall correctly from my last conversation with him, there are no immediate plans to do work on the slides due to funding shortage. Unfortunately these slide stabilization projects are much more expensive, in the 10s of thousands of dollars so perhaps fertilization or some similar stream enhancement projects would be more viable options.
I agree that the donating individuals cannot tell the organization that they are donating to what they should do, however it doesn't hurt to explore unconventional ideas if it mutually benefits every party. Not only we have the opportunity to revive two very worthy organizations by supporting financially and supplying hours, it could keep participating anglers more informed on work done on the stream that they enjoy fishing so much.
Lets make a quick decision and move onto the next phase, which is for me to update the derby page (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/steelheadderby) and set up a pinned thread on the forum so we can start planning the little fun details, like the post derby feast. :)
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And the prizes.
And of course, the trash talk. ;D
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Just received this from Dave. It seems that CRAC is alive and well. If CRAC receives the approval of the majority of the voters I am sure CRAC would put the proceeds of the derby to good use on the Anderson Run this Summer.
There are nice surprises every once and a while. We have just been approved for a Grant of $15,417.00 for the next year from the Bingo Affiliation, BC Gaming Commission, for our clay slide stabilization and off channel restoration work. Along with our present funds this gives us enough to do a worthwhile stabilization phase next summer at the Anderson Run clay slide.
This is good news after not receiving anything from the Fraser Salmon and Watersheds Program, the Community Salmon Program of PSF or the HCTF. We must now proceed with the Sec. 9 approval paperwork. …and a Merry Christmas to our river, there is always hope.
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I think the Anderson run(as shown on the Vedder river map) slide Chris is refering to is the one below Allisons just above Nickersons and upstream of the Slesse and Tolmie slides .
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Hmmmm I thought CRAC wasn't even interested in our piddly sum of money last year, that's why it went to the defense fund!!! Personally I would hate to donate money again to this org.
I know Jim said he's like the money go to crac but SSBC IMHO could sure benefit more from the money!!! and it WOULD actually go towards helping the fish we all honor so much!!!! Jim, would you accept it if offered???
All that said...I still think it's your derby Rick and your call on who you give the money too period...
(finally able to see well enough to just barely read all this b.s....call my ugly!!!)
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Personally i think the ranger slide is a more pressing concern....
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Hey JetBoat !! e-mail your phone number when you get a sec.
Thx Rick
ricks_honda@hotmail.com
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More good news for sustainable habitat of the Chilliwack River for steelhead and salmon. Yesterday I received word from the Pacific Salmon Foundation – Community Salmon Program that they have indeed approved our grant application for $10,000.00 for funding help with the stabilization of the Anderson Run Clay Slide. Along with our previous funding from Van City CU, donations and the approval from the Bingo Affiliation BC Gaming Commission we now have sufficient funding to proceed with implementing the most important work in the engineer’s Conceptual Design of Bank Stabilization Works Anderson Run Slide Chilliwack BC during the summer of 2009.
We are now working on the process of obtaining the Sec. 9 Water Act approvals/notification for working in and about a stream.
David Lamson, President
Chilliwack River Action Committee
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Rick did you get my e-mail?
I dont wanna come over there and open a can of whoop a............you know what I mean.