Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: devon42 on November 25, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
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:) just for fun
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another one lol
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spincaster
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HA HA HA Kingpin
i will vote FLYROD !!!
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Handline, much more "sporting " ;D
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try hand lining a 30+lb spring >:( line hurts when it cuts in >:(
oh ya forgot to vote LOL i will also vote SPEY rod ;)
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ice fishing rod.
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choosing a centre pin over a level wind is like choosing a horse over a car.
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Nothing beats a single action reel when fighting big fish. Centerpin and fly.
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I would say choosing a centerpin over a levelwind is like choosing a reel over a winch ;)
I use both but I have to say that using my centerpin makes for a much more pleasurable day on the water
TH
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Single action reel with NO drag system are the best to fight with the fish.
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If you really want a challenge, try "tickling" them. Ive never done it for salmon, only trout, buy it's a kick. What's really mono a mono is "grapplin" a 30 lb catfish.
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use to handline all the time ha ha
more fun then you might think
trying to throw a little hook out there is not an easy task you know
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I choose to use a small level wind cuz I hate using 3/4 -7/8 oz of weight to snap my spoon back under the brush. Now I will agree on the winch deal,,,,seeing some of the 400 Calcutta's and Ambassedors used on some of these small streams. If your fish gets 50 yrds away from you he's gone baby, so big line capacity is not an issue. My rod reel and gear weigh aprox 14 oz so I like that.
Bottom line ,,,,,go out and enjoy and don't let anyone put you down because of the gear you use. I hear too much,,," your not a REAL fisherman unless you use this or that..............BS
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Centre pin is more specialized reel and is probably more fun.
With bait casters you can cover more water faster and there is more variety.
One thing that kills centre pins for me is the price.
Even though I can afford it, I can't sell myself on the idea that a steel wheel with a handle should costs $500.
And you have to spend that much to get a good one.
Because the market is so small these guys can charge whatever they want and get away with it.
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deffinetly the centerpin, will never go back, mabey forward, "roddy lights" anyone?
On the topic of reel prices, low cost=trophy, okuma, mid cost=raven, streamsides, high price=islander, milner, kingpin, adock lampton, custom's
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good point YG however if you go vintage you can get reasonable prices around $300 or less on Hardy's and some others if you can find them ::)
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Pin for sure. I don't think cost should be much of an issue if you consider the life expectancy of the reel. There's nothing that really goes wrong with a pin and it's not unsual for a properly maintained pin to last a lifetime of fishing. They last forever where a level wind has several wearing/moving parts with the potential to cause grief and money. Just my .02
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hey all well as i have said before im new to this west-coast fishing and i got the abu garcia 6500 c4 and im happy... i dis have the odd birds nest... right when the fishing was good... of course... but i hear all the rant on its the best and well i wanna get into it... so is the okuma aventa vt1002 any good... well its pretty daum smooth and sexy at that... but how hard is it for fishing.... like casting... can you kinda give me quick 101 of casting a centerpin....?
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Centre pin is more specialized reel and is probably more fun.
With bait casters you can cover more water faster and there is more variety.
One thing that kills centre pins for me is the price.
Even though I can afford it, I can't sell myself on the idea that a steel wheel with a handle should costs $500.
And you have to spend that much to get a good one.
Because the market is so small these guys can charge whatever they want and get away with it.
Hey adriaticum,let me tell you one thing,if you ask any good centerpin user,they will tell you ,they can cover as much water and retrieved as fast as using a baitcasting reel (if you know how).plus there are a lot of centerpin reel price from low to high end stuff ,same as the baitcasting reel.Is all depend how much you can afford.
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Hey adriaticum,let me tell you one thing,if you ask any good centerpin user,they will tell you ,they can cover as much water and retrieved as fast as using a baitcasting reel
LOL, yah ok.
I'll meet you on any piece of water anywhere in the lower mainland and you can show me how you cover as much water and retrieve as fast as a level with a 4:1 ratio. And you can bring your horse as well and show me how you can ride back to Vancouver faster then me in my pickup.
I've been on the major streams in the lower mainland and fished next to guys with cp's; and clearly I've never been blessed enough to meet a "good centrepin user" who could out cast or outretrieve me. or even my nephew who is 9. Where are you cp gods...err guys?
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Big, T
I don't think so, bud.
The physics of it is just not there.
Even my tiny low profile reel, 6.4:1 can zip that float back to me while the centrepinner is just warming up.
I'm not putting down centrepins. Who knows one day I might just break down and get one.
You can't beat the feeling of a good fish on a centrepin and you need to really tune your skill to be able to land a fish with practically no help.
But all those prior comments about it's worth paying a high price for a reel, because it last long etc..
C-pins are simple reels and I don't know why they cost that much.
They don't have some new technology in them, or new steel alloy that only they know about.
The cost probably comes from the fact that they might be hand made and takes a while to make.
So the cost is probably in the labour, materials are cheap.
I'm hoping someone will come along and automate the manufacturing process and the price will come down.
But if you think about it, centre pins are fairly local.
Not many regions of the world use them as much as BC.
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Hey adriaticum and dennisk
All i can say is we got difference point of view and thanks for the comment.
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Elitist gear has to cost a lot.
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Centerpin users are actually wannabe flyfishers who can't give up bait. :D
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Fishing isn't about who can reel in the fastest. ::) Although when the retrieve matters like spoon or spinner fishing I use a baitcaster. However if you are drift fishing the centrepin is the way to go. No gears causing excess friction or drag during free-spooling. You can't beat the natural drift a centrepin.
The other thing is most river fisherman graduate and move up to centrepins once they've mastered the baitcaster. Fishing a centrepin is a challenge in comparison to using a reel with gears. And really, why wouldn't you want push yourself to be better and give yourself challenges?
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I am open to a contest.
I will bring my stinky little Revo-S (the smallest baitcaster I've seen) and anyone can bring their centre-pins.
We can have a little reel off, if you'd like.
And to make it more interesting we can put $100 in the pot for the winner who can donate his winnings to say,
Seymour Salmonid Society or some other fishing organization of their choice. ;)
Any takers?
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Dijon, you are spoiling my fun! ;D
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I am open to a contest.
I will bring my stinky little Revo-S (the smallest baitcaster I've seen) and anyone can bring their centre-pins.
We can have a little reel off, if you'd like.
And to make it more interesting we can put $100 in the pot for the winner who can donate his winnings to say,
Seymour Salmonid Society or some other fishing organization of their choice. ;)
Any takers?
See if Merc will take you up on that.... he owns the biggest CP I have ever seen, that things sucks in line like no reel I have ever seen before, looks like it is 10" in diameter lol ... and while you are at it ask him if you can see his new lighter !!!
TH
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I am open to a contest.
I will bring my stinky little Revo-S (the smallest baitcaster I've seen) and anyone can bring their centre-pins.
We can have a little reel off, if you'd like.
And to make it more interesting we can put $100 in the pot for the winner who can donate his winnings to say,
Seymour Salmonid Society or some other fishing organization of their choice. ;)
Any takers?
Who cares who can cover more water. Isnt it about the "fun" factor? Unless you are meat fishing its all about the fun. Nothing beats playing a fish on a single action reel. When out on the salt I want to use the mooching reel no level winds for me. I mostly fly fish for every species but this year for steelhead I will be using both a fly rod and centerpin. Thats if I find the time to get out....
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Each reel has it's place and time. No one reel is superior. One may prefer beer while the other may prefer wine. All is good folks.
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dennisk you havent seen anything yet, sure enough few people here can retrieve centerpin fast enough
no need to prove to you but when you have your skill go back to this forum else just be quiet
thanks
a newbie like me dont need more craps
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I am open to a contest.
I will bring my stinky little Revo-S (the smallest baitcaster I've seen) and anyone can bring their centre-pins.
We can have a little reel off, if you'd like.
And to make it more interesting we can put $100 in the pot for the winner who can donate his winnings to say,
Seymour Salmonid Society or some other fishing organization of their choice. ;)
Any takers?
make it a bit bigger $200 maybe ?
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adriaticum & dennisK,
It doesn't matter what you guys think, it's obvious you guys have never used one or gotten used to using one.
I owned AND used a jw young purist II and a talon 11' 2" custom cp (built by peter) rod for 2 years.
The only thing obvious is you should work for the DFO or RCMP with investigative or intuitive skills like that.
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Just for fun I ran some numbers :P
I am going to use LRPC, line retrieved per a crank, to compare some reels
JW Young & Sons Trudex II 4.00" dia has an average LRPC of 10"
John Milner Kingfisher 4.375" dia has an average LRPC of 11"
Shimano Calais CL200A has an average LRPC of 26"
Shimano Curado 300DSV has an averag LRPC of 28"
Shimano Calcutta CT200B has an average LRPC of 27"
Shimano Calcutta CT400B has an average LRPC of 24"
Everyone has their preferences when it comes to which reel they choose to use. I have fished with both styles of reels a lot. I like to use my centrepins when it comes to float fishing small streams, because you get such a nice natural drift. I tend to fish a low-profile baitcaster most of the time now because its more versatile. I like being able to switch up to different types of presentations such as float fishing, spoons/spinners or bottom bouncing all with the same reel ;) Recently I find myself fishing with a fly rod most of the time though ;D
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adriaticum & dennisK,
It doesn't matter what you guys think, it's obvious you guys have never used one or gotten used to using one.
I owned AND used a jw young purist II and a talon 11' 2" custom cp (built by peter) rod for 2 years.
The only thing obvious is you should work for the DFO or RCMP with investigative or intuitive skills like that.
Wow....you're good, how did you know I had the skills!!
ChromeKings.. race you to depot?!?!? hahah :P :P :P
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its totally preference, i think that with the speed and grade of the rivers on the west coast in most situations u can get almost if not even as good a drift with a baitcaster as u can with a centerpin, but the challenge of the one 2 one retrieve is awsome.
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the one that's better is the one that you enjoy most using.i find that i lose less fish using center pins since i control the drag and i like casting with it cause of its fluid motion and that's important to me. i don't even own a level wind.as for price difference, well center pins are way more durable so its no contest.
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Just for fun I ran some numbers :P
I am going to use LRPC, line retrieved per a crank, to compare some reels
JW Young & Sons Trudex II 4.00" dia has an average LRPC of 10"
John Milner Kingfisher 4.375" dia has an average LRPC of 11"
Shimano Calais CL200A has an average LRPC of 26"
Shimano Curado 300DSV has an averag LRPC of 28"
Shimano Calcutta CT200B has an average LRPC of 27"
Shimano Calcutta CT400B has an average LRPC of 24"
Everyone has their preferences when it comes to which reel they choose to use. I have fished with both styles of reels a lot. I like to use my centrepins when it comes to float fishing small streams, because you get such a nice natural drift. I tend to fish a low-profile baitcaster most of the time now because its more versatile. I like being able to switch up to different types of presentations such as float fishing, spoons/spinners or bottom bouncing all with the same reel ;) Recently I find myself fishing with a fly rod most of the time though ;D
Thanks for the info.
Every reel has its time and place. Ultimately it's all about the fun.
I wasn't denying that. And dennisK wasn't either.
We were just replying to someone's post there that said they can cover as much water as a levelwind as fast.
Then this whole thing spiraled into a useless argument.
In terms of retrieve, the physics are just not in favour of the centre pin.
Anyway I bet you, most of the guys on the post own at least 1 or 2 of each kind ;)
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Wow, now that I know cp's cast better and cover more water, I guess I'll have to switch out my curados for cp's on the local bass circuit ;) ;D
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Interesting topic,
When fishing a pin if you reel in normally with your hand always on the handle then a level wind will definatley win, However if you pull your rod up and bring a bunch of line in, then giving your pin a big spin, it will reel in the slack line much faster than what a levelwind can. If you repeat this 2-3 times you can actually beat a level-wind!
Me and my brother were wondering about this last year and did the tests! ;)
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Interesting topic,
When fishing a pin if you reel in normally with your hand always on the handle then a level wind will definatley win, However if you pull your rod up and bring a bunch of line in, then giving your pin a big spin, it will reel in the slack line much faster than what a levelwind can. If you repeat this 2-3 times you can actually beat a level-wind!
Me and my brother were wondering about this last year and did the tests! ;)
;) :D :-X SSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :-X .Hey Roe Kid.you are spoiling our fun. ;) :D ;D
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its ok ghost fish....you still can claim the $100 from roe kid...
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;D sorry I had to spit it out! I was getting frustrated with some people saying level winds can bring line in faster than a cp ;D
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I put my level wind on a 14' spey rod and use the rod to jerk the line in also. It really flies. BTW, it looks like level winds are 1 vote ahead. ;D ;D ;D
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Interesting part about this discussion and poll, is that it seems to be personal preference. For me, I like to be in the outdoors. Cost alone would push me away from a CP. The other thing, is I also Fly Fish, but I have cheap gear...we shouldn't let the Fly vs. Gear Chuckers vs. CP vs Level Wind get in the way....way too elitist
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Interesting topic,
When fishing a pin if you reel in normally with your hand always on the handle then a level wind will definatley win, However if you pull your rod up and bring a bunch of line in, then giving your pin a big spin, it will reel in the slack line much faster than what a levelwind can. If you repeat this 2-3 times you can actually beat a level-wind!
Me and my brother were wondering about this last year and did the tests! ;)
That might work once or twice. If you are lucky. Try that repeatedly over an hour of fishing and 45 minutes of it will be spent untying the biggest knots and line nest known to man. I saw a guy trying that "trick"; the line skipped off the rim of the cp and he ended up with about 27 knots lol.
Keep it up guys, I'll be happy to take your money.
I'll be out steelheading in feb. Meet me up and bring your cash.
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Maybe the guy was inexperienced. I think most of us are very passionate about our fishing so we strongly try to convince our piers of what we feel is the best way. I know for me, I had a friend set me up with a pin and I was hooked. I will never go back as the control you have with a pin, both for drift control as well as drag control, is unbeatable. My level wind seems like a sleezy way to fish now. Not that it is just that's how much more pure it feels. Just you and the fish and I would think anyone who took the time to become good at using a center pin would feel the same. If not just continue using the set up of your choice and have fun.
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Ive heard pros and cons for both setups, and am a levelwind guy myself (love the curado). The bottom line, as with all fishing gear, is what you are comfortable and confident with. If you are confident and comfortable with a setup, you are more likely to have success with it. If you are not , you will most likely not be looking for the right spots or will be overthinking your fishing strategies. My point- everyone to their own, they are both good in their own ways.
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I agree with the "handle batting" retrieve prob's. My problem is that I usually find an hour or so of this kind of retrieving causes my pencil lead, swivel, and first foot or so of leader to twist together if it ever sees slack. Perhaps it is the result of using low lb test leaders here on often gin clear VI?
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if your pin does not have a line guard, then untangling a reel couldnt get any easier.
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Ive got both set-ups and mainly fish the levelwind.
What can i say.Im lazy. ;D
Nobody has mentioned rod position and fatigue from holding a pin rod high.
Or the terrible grip positioning on pin rods.
I actually had my pin rods butt section extended for that reason.
Much more comfortable now that i can tuck it under my arm.
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JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY OF FORUM MEMBERS USED FOR RIVERS OTHER THEN THE FRASER AND WHY? FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.
I AM AN ISLANDER GUY AND NEVER GOING BACK! ;) I FIND FEELING THE DRAG IN MY HAND IS INTENSE!and I LIKE THE FLUID MOTION OF THE CAST.
THANKS FOR PARTICIPATING!
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Merged Rhino's topic with this one so we can revive the poll. Enjoy. :)
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try hand lining a 30+lb spring >:( line hurts when it cuts in >:(
Naw., thats just bad technique...you need to turn around put the line over your shoulder and walk away from the water. ;)
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I enjoy pin for steelhead but prefer level for salmon..to much work
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I enjoy pin for steelhead but prefer level for salmon..to much work
its quite a work out handling a spring or 2 in one day or back to back eh!i like the work out tho.but need a break after that for sure!
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u think 2 is bad! hahaha, those whites were continually on the hook this fall, river was full. By the end of the day it was hard to cast, lots of pain in the fore arms
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u think 2 is bad! hahaha, those whites were continually on the hook this fall, river was full. By the end of the day it was hard to cast, lots of pain in the fore arms
im not as good of a fisherman as you are little buddy and i was trying to land a coho so i was fishing different water. but im happy for you that you did well.no need to mock my comment.
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I doubt younggun's comment was meant to be a mockery, although it could be misinterpreted that way quite easily because it's not that well written.
We're only halfway through winter folks, everyone needs to lighten up slightly on the forum.
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I doubt younggun's comment was meant to be a mockery, although it could be misinterpreted that way quite easily because it's not that well written.
We're only halfway through winter folks, everyone needs to lighten up slightly on the forum.
well said rodney. no tension here.young gun, good luck to you in your fishing ventures.
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sorry rhino, i'm a bit lacking in my english skills, when online i write in the MSN format. anyways, the comment wasn't written to mock u in any way. i was just stating, that it only gets worse after the numbers his double digits. Playing the brutes is always fun, but after a day or so, the coho is where the effort is put.
good luck in the new year boys.
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sorry rhino, i'm a bit lacking in my english skills, when online i write in the MSN format. anyways, the comment wasn't written to mock u in any way. i was just stating, that it only gets worse after the numbers his double digits. Playing the brutes is always fun, but after a day or so, the coho is where the effort is put.
good luck in the new year boys.
NO WORRIES BRO. GOOD LUCK TO YOU AS WELL. ;)
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it takes skill to be lucky! always remember that!
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it takes skill to be lucky! always remember that!
it takes preparation to come face to face with opportunity. remember that! :)