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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: redside1 on March 06, 2009, 08:30:07 PM
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reading the new 2009-11 freshwater fishing regulations today and I see MoE is now making it illegal to fish for bass in many new locations. It seems that unless there is an ex sisting fishery it will be against the law to fish for bass in any lakes or streams that some one may plant them in in the future. Interesting way to deal with the problem of guys moving bass around to new lakes. Both regions 4 and 5 have this outlined .
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Interesting. I look forward to reading the new regs. But for the record Fresh water regulations are on a changed and reprinted on a yearly basis, not bi-yearly. So the regs would be for 2009-2010
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how are they gonna make it illegal, i don't get it.when fishing any body of water we never know what we're gonna get, we have an idea of what we're targeting but it's still a crapshoot??
My thoughts exactly because apart from topwater plugs everything a Bass will take a Trout will take too so who's to say what I'm targeting?
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if you know any thing about law in B.C you will know you are guilty till proven innocent.
It will be your responsibilty to prove to the co/fo that you were not targeting bass on that water.....he will probably use words like "intent"
As per some hounding you will see more bass rerstrictions.
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Does any one know why they would try to restrict a fishery of an introduced species that threatens our native speices?
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if you know any thing about law in B.C you will know you are guilty till proven innocent.
It will be your responsibilty to prove to the co/fo that you were not targeting bass on that water.....he will probably use words like "intent"
As per some hounding you will see more bass rerstrictions.
I understand what you mean Jim but I would love to see a CO in court trying to prove to the Judge what I was doing was unlawful-most of them aren't all that well educated and tying one into knots under oath would be all kinds of fun for a bombastic know-it-all prick like me. ::) 8)
Does any one know why they would try to restrict a fishery of an introduced species that threatens our native species?
It's politics-they have to be seen to be doing something so they dream up a Bee Ess load of regulations like this without thinking things through.
It's a response that's little short of idiocy by people who know nothing about Bass or Bass fishing.
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Dammit, that is annoying. I just got a new pontoon boat specifically for this purpose! ;D
(http://www.riverbills.com/pic_of_the_day/062105_redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
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Interesting. I look forward to reading the new regs. But for the record Fresh water regulations are on a changed and reprinted on a yearly basis, not bi-yearly. So the regs would be for 2009-2010
The new regulations are printed for 2 years not 2009-2010 but 2009-2011 so you may wish to look a little closer at the printing on the cover, remember I have a copy of the new regulations and I am not assuming something like you are.
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how are they gonna make it illegal, i don't get it.when fishing any body of water we never know what we're gonna get, we have an idea of what we're targeting but it's still a crapshoot??
ssabnik
there are many places with regulations that have open trout fisheries that are closed to Salmon fishing. Happens every year on the Birkenhead. On the Bella Coola there is a decent cutthroat trout fishery yet it has been closed to all steelhead fishing for 10 years or so. If MoE catches you targeting bass in locations that are closed they can or will charge you for illegally fishing
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. If MoE catches you targeting bass in locations that are closed they can or will charge you for illegally fishing
You're a bit behind the action here.
The exact same gear is used to target Bass as Trout-have you ever fished for Bass?
The first time I ever went to St Mary Lake on Saltspring Island I started dragging a plastic worm on the bottom (classic Bass tactic) and caught the second largest Cutthroat I've ever seen. :o
How can a CO prove in court I was targeting Bass-answer-HE CAN'T!!!!!
BC Sportfishing even did an article on using Crankbaits-in BC a lure widely believed to be a Bass bait-for Trout.
Everyone needs something to look forward to and this latest dumb move is a treat for some people. ::) ;D ;)
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Interesting. I look forward to reading the new regs. But for the record Fresh water regulations are on a changed and reprinted on a yearly basis, not bi-yearly. So the regs would be for 2009-2010
The new regulations are printed for 2 years not 2009-2010 but 2009-2011 so you may wish to look a little closer at the printing on the cover, remember I have a copy of the new regulations and I am not assuming something like you are.
I'm glad someone is on the ball.
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ouch, i think dion just got put in his place, good one redside.
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. If MoE catches you targeting bass in locations that are closed they can or will charge you for illegally fishing
You're a bit behind the action here.
The exact same gear is used to target Bass as Trout-have you ever fished for Bass?
The first time I ever went to St Mary Lake on Saltspring Island I started dragging a plastic worm on the bottom (classic Bass tactic) and caught the second largest Cutthroat I've ever seen. :o
How can a CO prove in court I was targeting Bass-answer-HE CAN'T!!!!!
BC Sportfishing even did an article on using Crankbaits-in BC a lure widely believed to be a Bass bait-for Trout.
Everyone needs something to look forward to and this latest dumb move is a treat for some people. ::) ;D ;)
yes , I have fished bass caught some pretty nice ones too.
I am not too far behind the action and may not be quite the legal expert that you are but, If the law was not enforceable if would not be in the regulations. The government legal department would not allow it to happen for one. Why do you think flossing or snagging is still allowed? MoE can not write up an enforceable law. Try bass fishing in one of the closed areas and lets see what happens. How about heading up to Beaver lake in region 5 and giving it a try. It is listed in the new regs as "Closed to bass fishing". Interesting to see what happens. The crank baits ( 7"-9" long lure) in the BC Outdoors articles are not something that most would use for bass in BC. Anyways , give it a try , maybe your experience with a CO would be different. Remember when it comes to Co's writing out tickets , you are guilty until you prove your innocence in court because unless you show up to defend yourself the ticket stands.
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......I may not be quite the legal expert that you are but[/quote]
Noted.
If the law was not enforceable if would not be in the regulations. The government legal department would not allow it to happen for one.
You sure don't know how laws work-laws are changed all the time because they are poorly worded and so cases get throw out of court-ever been to court and had something thrown out because of sloppy work by the enforcement agency or the prosecution?
Happens every day you know!
....Try bass fishing in one of the closed areas and lets see what happens. How about heading up to Beaver lake in region 5 and giving it a try. It is listed in the new regs as "Closed to bass fishing". Interesting to see what happens.....Remember when it comes to Co's writing out tickets , you are guilty until you prove your innocence in court because unless you show up to defend yourself the ticket stands.
Of course a person shows up to defend themself - WTH do you think I've been talking about?
Why would someone let themself be raked over the coals because of some poorly written law?
This all about people standing up for themselves and not letting clueless petty bureaucrats jerk them around.
The crank baits ( 7"-9" long lure) in the BC Outdoors articles are not something that most would use for bass in BC.
I doubt you've ever seen a Crankbait. ::)
I own dozens and none is longer than 4".
(http://www.ontariofisherman.com/images1/lb-rattlebait.jpg)
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The crank baits ( 7"-9" long lure) in the BC Outdoors articles are not something that most would use for bass in BC.
I doubt you've ever seen a Crankbait. ::)
I own dozens and none is longer than 4".
(http://www.ontariofisherman.com/images1/lb-rattlebait.jpg)
dozens huh? I have probably purchased more crank baits (thousands) than you will ever see in your lifetime but that's really does not matter. Just head out in a new Bass fishing closed area and give it a whirl. I just wonder who will win you or the CO. I am putting my money with the CO.
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most people dont show to co/fo tickets........missing a day of work =500$
traveling back to region 3-4-5 , worth it?
sam the person you are repling to does know what they are talking about.
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I agree with sam- there is no way to prove if you are targeting one species over the other. If I am fishing for trout with a spinner bait and I catch a bass how the hell can I be fined for "targeting" bass? I think the regulation is stupid (if it happens).
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dozens huh? I have probably purchased more crank baits (thousands) than you will ever see in your lifetime but that's really does not matter.
Unless you're a buyer for a US based sporting goods retail operation there is no way on God's Green Earth you've bought thousands of Crankbaits in your lifetime-your statement as posted is anything but the truth and tends toward the mendacious side of the equation.
You don't even know that Crankbaits is one word not two as you insist on writing it.
Just head out in a new Bass fishing closed area and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...........
I fish Saltspring and the Island lakes no need to drive for hundreds of clicks to get my kicks!
As posted below-my dozens of Crankbaits and assorted Smallie lures
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2778/smalliegear11.jpg)
sam the person you are repling to does know what they are talking about.
Yeah that's pretty much what I figured but since I'm home from work sick with a cold I might as well spend some time on the net trying to bring some light into the darkness between some people's ears. ;D
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huh? I have probably purchased more crank baits (thousands) than you will ever see in your lifetime but that's really does not matter.
Unless you're a buyer for a US based sporting goods retail operation there is no way on God's Green Earth you've bought thousands of Crankbaits in your lifetime-your statement as posted is anything but the truth and tends toward the mendacious side of the equation.
not a US based retailer but you are warming up a bit, I think it was 15,000 last yea(could be out a little).
Quote from: redside1 on Today at 09:56:40 AM
Just head out in a new Bass fishing closed area and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...........
nice edit of what I wrote
fish Saltspring and the Island lakes no need to drive for hundreds of clicks to get my kicks!
so therefore you have nothing to worry about. The regulation was put in place to hopefully stop all the illegal introduction of bass in BC waterways. The existing fisheries will continue like always and the CO's will be watchiung the lakes that have recently had bass illegally planted in them.
good luck out there!
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i love my bass tackle box, you gots a nice one there sam salmon i've got a similar collection but mostly LMB stuff.......untill i move to the island next year!!!can't wait for some smallie action on fly and gear
thanks Nik!
I've done well lately buying the gear that comes without hooks/rings and assembling them myself saves a lot of dough and it's easy to buy the smaller Smallmouth sizes.
Everyone here knows Luremaking.com (http://www.luremaking.com) , Jann's Netcraft (http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/) and Lure Parts Online (http://lurepartsonline.com/) are also great place to save money. ;)
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The new regulations are printed for 2 years not 2009-2010 but 2009-2011 so you may wish to look a little closer at the printing on the cover, remember I have a copy of the new regulations and I am not assuming something like you are.
I stand corrected. You are right, I assumed you had made a typo and put 11 instead of 10, as I do not have a copy yet. I should have checked before I posted, or at least just questioned you rather than say you were outright wrong. Sorry. :-[
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Very Impressive Tackle Box ,Sam Salmon,What its worth? I personally do not fish bass here at home,but have fished them in Ontario where they are very popular.
It's an average box-the lures would be worth a lot more if I bought them individually but as I said there's a way around that by assembling your own gear as per the links.
As we all know sometime fish respond to something a bit different and the colours from some of those online stores are unlike anything for sale in Canada.
Haven't got as far as buying blanks and painting my own (yet) does anyone here do that?
Also-a number of them are shallow running crankbaits-important in places like St Mary Lake where weed growth can be amazing in a few weeks.
Go there once and everything is fine a few weeks later you only have a few feet on top of the weeds to fish in, use too deep running crankbait and all you do is hit weeds every cast.
BTW-If anyone can ID the best BC Smallmouth lure in the Box I'll send them one free (not the poppers it's a subsurface unit).
Post your guesses below until Friday midnight.
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BTW-If anyone can ID the best BC Smallmouth lure in the Box I'll send them one free (not the poppers it's a subsurface unit).
Post your guesses below until Friday midnight.
My guess is the pearl coloured rubber jig, because those ones look the most depleted. ;D
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so you guys think , armed with those boxes, the C/O-F/O will believe you when you say "I'm fishing for trout"?
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672 hits and only 2 guesses? ???
Only 36 hrs left Boys 'n Girlz!
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I'm going to take a wild guess : the second tray from bottom , top row , middle slot , black spinnerbait ?
Bass fishing is going to hit the fan here very soon if it has not already .Like it or not , 8lb - 12lb LM are being pulled out of various sloughs around the Lower Mainland on a regular basis. Even by US standards, those are HAWGS !
To bad their rise to infamy has scarred their rep around these parts.
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Had some prob with the camera battery no pics last night.
My guess is the pearl coloured rubber jig, because those ones look the most depleted.
Nope but I burned up those jigs by dabbing them with Magic Markers trying to invent a new hot colour-didn't work. ::)
top left corner of top tray has some rapalas,the suspending countdown in silver or gold has worked like magic for me.....
I wish!
Owned those things for years rarely ever caught anything I know there supposed to be good maybe I just don't have the patience to use them properly.
I'm going to take a wild guess : the second tray from bottom , top row , middle slot , black spinnerbait ?
Close but no horseshoe and My Apologies for the lousy picture, that's actually a Black Moss Boss (http://www.landbigfish.com/images/store/swatches/Hed-MossBosss.jpg) you're looking at there.
So the winner is ....Yes a plain Black #3 in-line Spinner can be bought at any tackle shop.
Fish it moderately fast better yet cast it close to weeds and keeping a tight line let it spiral down it is deadly.
If you have a Brass or Silver one just hit it with a Black spray bomb or if you're a tightwad some Black fingernail polish from the dollar store just has to be dark not perfect.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1659/blackspinner.jpg) (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackspinner.jpg)
As a matter of interest he's a pic of a Black Beetle Spin.Actually until yesterday I didn't know that was the name I thought it was just a small homemade Spinnerbait, it works for Smallies but not as well as the inline unit.Kind of a poor pic the blade is actually flat black not the colour it shows no matter they all work.
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7758/blackbeetlespin.jpg)
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I havnt seen them up here yet but in california a ''super duper'' is my bass slayer never fails.BTW im ready to go catch some bass rain needs to go away.
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" 8lb - 12lb LM are being pulled out of various sloughs around the Lower Mainland on a regular basis" ?? :o ?? wow...any hints as to where?
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Well the next step the govt has at their disposal is just shutting areas down completely to fishing.
I'm just guessing...but I think the majority of the people who are on this site would not be too impressed with that.
Illegal stocking of Bass have the potential to absolutely ruin our native fishery and wipe out other native critters - salamanders, frogs, etc.
So, if the regs state - Bass Closure - No Fishing for Bass - Just don't do it.
Because it could lead to something much worse.
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Katzie marsh is loaded with bass
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Illegal stocking of Bass have the potential to absolutely ruin our native fishery and wipe out other native critters - salamanders, frogs, etc.
So, if the regs state - Bass Closure - No Fishing for Bass - Just don't do it.
Because it could lead to something much worse.
Agreed. I like the idea of Bass fishing but not at the expense of our own native species.
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i say fish the hell out of em or do a massive cull and get the people responsible for transporting them lake to lake. As for bieng worried about getting charged for fishing them, when i open up the paper and read about another shooting in the lml i think the courts have bigger fish to fry ;)
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" 8lb - 12lb LM are being pulled out of various sloughs around the Lower Mainland on a regular basis" ?? :o ?? wow...any hints as to where?
I think 8 inches to 12 inches would be much more accurate. ::) ;D
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anyone have tips on the better existing bass locations in the lower mainland?
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too early for bass fishing, or am i wrong?
i'm guessing we gotta wait another month or so.
what happened to Vancouver's warm weather?? ???
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Hey K.C, Where is Katzie Marsh?
Oh, and I think I would have to agree with Salmon Sam, I've never pulled a Bass out any larger than 8" - 12" around the lower mainland.
I'm pretty sure they do get bigger, I just haven't found where yet.
But, I'm always willing to look for and try better locations.
And after fishing for Bass, I can understand why they are always on the fishing shows, its impossible NOT to catch them when they are around.
It would be nice to pull out a few hogs locally.
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Oh, and I think I would have to agree with Salmon Sam, I've never pulled a Bass out any larger than 8" - 12" around the lower mainland.
I'm pretty sure they do get bigger, I just haven't found where yet.
Check it !!
http://www.wcba.ca/indexSilvermere.html
http://www.wcba.ca/indexFishTrapCreek.html
http://www.wcba.ca/indexArea51&52.html
That's only a small sample of the bassin' around these here parts..................
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I was looking at the WCBA site and there is a link to a freshly added lake, but the link goes to a Trinity Western page that talks about how they are going to cull the bass, from the pond? Guess no one really wants the species in their waters, apparently the bass have pretty much destroyed the Salmon population there. Seems to me if there are bodies of water to be stocked with Bass, there should be absolutely no way they can get access to any other water body from that location, like Albert Dick Lake.
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Remember when Bass fishing-are you after Smallmouth or Largemouth?
Smallies-smaller lures retrieved a bit faster start with something large/flashy and dull it down if no go.
Largemouth-generally go for larger slower moving lures so start that way and scale it down/speed it up if things are slow.
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Question? .. Have the bass made it to the north side of the Pitt River ?
The widgeon Creek area?
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Yes, They are even up at the top end up in around the docks and the bay as well as Red Slough.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFw_7Pl-NRg
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ive caught a ton of bass of over the 12inch size my biggest in the lm is 6.5 pounds caught in mission
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never fished for bass in my life...but will get to it eventually i think...scary thing thugh is i have heard of a bass every now and then coming from the north eastern parts of Kawkawa lake!!! how/why is this?? a place where we have coho, kokanee, rainbows ect. im sure bass in this lake cant be a good thing, could it?? just seems wrong to me...
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have you ever actaully seen at bass come out of kakwa im thinking this is still a urban legend i had a buddy who fished for three straight summer and never caught any bass out of there
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My favorite spots are the sloughs in Pitt Meadows but I don't know how productive they are @ this time of the year.
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Bass fishing in the Pitt Meadows slough becomes active from July and lasts until September.
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Good bass fishing in my backyard!!! Who would have thunk it?
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Keep an eye the Fishin Canada Show. Viola and Bowman are bringing their camera crew here to Mission next week to film a week of Bass and Sturgeon fishing. The word is out and the pros from across Canada are coming here to catch our Trophy (8 lb the best so far) Bass.
The biggest Bass in the lower Mainland are in lakes ten minutes from Mission town center. The sad part of all this, is there is no good public access to either of these lakes and the local Trout and Salmon snobs are still crying for all BC Bass to be exterminated. Ya, exterminated when we hold the biggest Bass in the nation.
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I've caught many bass at Albert Dick park ,aka wamsley lake, aka molson lake,they'er fairly small but a good little fight on a light fly rod.
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Keep an eye the Fishin Canada Show. Viola and Bowman are bringing their camera crew here to Mission next week to film a week of Bass and Sturgeon fishing. The word is out and the pros from across Canada are coming here to catch our Trophy (8 lb the best so far) Bass.
The biggest Bass in the lower Mainland are in lakes ten minutes from Mission town center. The sad part of all this, is there is no good public access to either of these lakes and the local Trout and Salmon snobs are still crying for all BC Bass to be exterminated. Ya, exterminated when we hold the biggest Bass in the nation.
Well I know one is Silvermere. The other one Hatzic? Hatzic has easy access so I could be wrong. Hatzic is probably one of the most underrated lakes in all the Lower Mainland. How many species of fish does it hold. Salmon, trout, crappie, bass, sturgeon, carp. I know I must be missing some off the top of my head.
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hatzic is a great bass fisherie its a tough one but when you find the bass in there watch out because they ae huge silvermere is a geat lake to fish if you cna get on there with out getting kicked off ive pulled some pretty nice large mouth out of there also in abbotsford you have mill lake fish trap creek albert dyke and a private lake called laxton in the maple ridge area you have pretty much all of the sloughs for more info on the lakes go check out the wcba website there is a complete list of what lakes have bass in it the website is www.wcba.ca
there is also a pretty forum on there to if you want to join its free and the guys are pretty damn good to talk to tell them andy sent you when you log on there :p good luck guys
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katzie marsh is the marshie area across from the grant narrow boat launch to find it the best thing to do is use google map
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Does this mean Katzie is on the other side of the boat launch? The map shows the other side is Widgeon Slough. A friend told me Widgeon does have bass in there. How do we access Widgeon from the Port Coquitlam side?
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not widgeon slough thats on the other side of the pitt from the boat launch when you get to the pitt boat launch its like right behind the canoe rental place its the when you follow the dyke its all the water on the other side of it
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Don't try launching at the north end of Hatzic along sward rd, it's a private boat lunch and your not allowed to be using it or parking there. Your better off going to silvermere instead since the water level is right down right now. If you decide to park and launch your boat at the sward rd lunch your vehicle might be missing when you return, there is some unhappy sheltered cove residents that have now problem doing this. Thought I would give you guys the heads up first, you might have better luck on the shook rd side.
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shook rd is the best place to launch a car topper its pretty much the only way to get a boat out there i hae buddy who lives on the lake so i ge tto launch off his property :)
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Any updates on if there is a boat launch (even private, pay to use?) on Hatzic.
Also, does anyone know if there is bass fishing that can be done in the Widgeon Slough, Siwash Island, Stugeon Slough mouth, Allouette Mouth etc area of the main Pitt?
ie fishing not in the marshes, but more accessible via full sized boat launched into the Pitt.
I am all catch and release and am tight lipped. PM is cool too.
I appreciate it.
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Wow, necro thread resurection! ;D Don't release any kill your limit. I've heard DFO is going after the province wanting to have a wide open kill em all in all waters where they do not belong. It's about time to put an end to what the bucket brigade has done.
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I fish by the regulations.
and....back to the questions.
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I've never fished them by boat but I have caught bass at the Alouette mouth and sturgeon slough mouth. Nothing very big. Have tried my luck on Deboville and Siwash on the North/West side of the Pitt but no luck there with bass. Seems to be all on the Pitt Meadows side in my experience.
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Cool, thanks for that.
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Silvermere was pretty good yesterday.
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Silvermere was pretty good yesterday.
So was Deer lake.
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Silvermere was pretty good yesterday.
Do you find access easy? Or do you know someone with property.
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Kinda need to know someone, but then I see people out there that launch at the far end.I don't think the lake is private but the property around it is.
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Best bass fishing I've done is in the canal from OK lake to Skaha lake. Fish right where it dumps into Skaha where all the tubers are, off the bridge. Tons of 2+ pounders to be had.
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Best bass fishing I've done is in the canal from OK lake to Skaha lake. Fish right where it dumps into Skaha where all the tubers are, off the bridge. Tons of 2+ pounders to be had.
That canal is absolutely stacked to the top with fish, carp,suckers,bass,pikeminnow and trout are about evrywehre in there. I fished it a couple times at first light and got multiple 2-5lb smallmouth bass. Maybe I should try the mouth sometime.
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Totally, the fishing up there is absolutely nuts. Wish I lived up that way, would never be skunked again in my life. ;D
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Well, if they are around the Alouette mouth and Sturgeon Slough mouth, it might be worth ripping around the main part of the lower Pitt and see whats shaking.
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I've never tried the lower pitt but from what I understand they tend to stick to the tributaries and that's about it. Slower moving often warmer water, Pitt might be a little fast and cool for them, especially this time of year. Worth a shot though! Good luck
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Yeah, my thought was to put in my boat in the main Pitt and hit the sloughs as far as I could get into them. Perhaps finding bass-y water that way. Opposed to lugging a small boat into the sloughs or working from the bank.
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Yeah, my thought was to put in my boat in the main Pitt and hit the sloughs as far as I could get into them. Perhaps finding bass-y water that way. Opposed to lugging a small boat into the sloughs or working from the bank.
Watch for speed restrictions as well as no motors