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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Every Day on March 20, 2011, 01:24:14 PM
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First of all, have any of you had fish swallow artificial's before?
Out of the 12 fish I've hooked on the new fly I tie, 2 of them have taken it very deep. My friend also had 1 out of the 2 he got take it deep.
By deep we are talking about down in the gills or not even seeing the hook at all and only seeing the line.
Now the questions.
First of all, the one I hooked today was hooked down in the gill rakers.
I'm wondering after a fight if a fish hooked like this will even survive, especially after I had no where to go so I had to bring it up through current towards me.
There was minimal blood that I saw, but then again I left the hook in so it may have been clogging the wound possibly.
Secondly.
In this case would you guys just cut the hook like I did or try and take it out?
I might post a pic later, but you can hardly see the roe fly in the mouth anyways :-\
Cheers,
Dan
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The more blood loss = more chance of death imo.
Gills bleeding is almost a sure death.
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I assume you are talking adult steelhead?
Out of curiosity, what size hook is used on the roe fly?
I haven't deep hooked a steelhead yet using artificials. I have on trout on lakes though. I think in most cases if it is that deep, you will probably to more damage getting down in there and removing. I would think cutting the line and hoping it will work itself out is better than going deep and tearing it out but I'm not sure because you never know what happens after despite swimming off. A while back someone above me deep hooked a juvenile using bait. He pulled the hook and it swan away fine with no hesitation. Twenty minutes later or so, what I assume to be the same fish came by me half floating half swimming being taken down the river in the current.
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1/0 hook on the roe fly.
They just keep hitting it so hard, and it's not like I'm letting them chew on it, I set the hook right away.
And yes the one I got today was around 9 pounds.
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As we are using barbless hooks here in BC, hooks will likely pop out in a few days by itself.
Whether gill damaged fish will survive is another issue.
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Hey BNF was that you I saw at the crossing around noon?
I think they would make Roe Flys illegal. To appealing, and now causing high numbers of accidental deaths.
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I deep hooked a fish yesterday with a GLX egg. I have forceps handy, so I removed the hook from the gill rakers quickly and efficiently, but there was still blood and I was skeptical if the fish would survive.
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Hormone charged, soon to be spawning salmonids are tough SOB's. I have seen many bleeding salmon, captured and held for hatchery reproduction, that I thought would surely die - but very few did. It's a tough call and all situations are different, but I would cut the line rather than stress the fish even further by trying to retrieve the hook.
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Case by case decision I would imagine, but if I'm not able to get the hook out with ease on the first try, I'm cutting the line for sure.
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Why risk doing more damage ? Just cut the line.
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1/0 hook on the roe fly.
They just keep hitting it so hard, and it's not like I'm letting them chew on it, I set the hook right away.
And yes the one I got today was around 9 pounds.
IMO a 1 odd hook is is too big to use driftfishing for steelhead.I rarely use anything larger then a #2 size hook and have never,ever gut hooked a Steelhead using atrificials in almost 30 yrs of fishing steelhead.I can count on one hand the # of times ive had a bleeder, fishing bait.Interesting side note,a hatch steel i recently cleaned had a gooey bob minus the hook in its belly.
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IMO a 1 odd hook is is too big to use driftfishing for steelhead.I rarely use anything larger then a #2 size hook and have never,ever gut hooked a Steelhead using atrificials in almost 30 yrs of fishing steelhead.I can count on one hand the # of times ive had a bleeder, fishing bait.Interesting side note,a hatch steel i recently cleaned had a gooey bob minus the hook in its belly.
A larger hook should actually prevent deeper hook ups, for some reason this is not the case.
If you are saying a 1/0 hook is too large or spooky, I hit 3 fish in a day in crystal clear water on this fly in front of people using small presentations and bait.
Most of the time Steelhead don't take artificial's deep to my knowledge.
These are the first 2 I have ever hooked deep in 4 years of fishing, and until this year all I had ever used was bait.
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IMO a 1 odd hook is is too big to use driftfishing for steelhead.I rarely use anything larger then a #2 size hook
By the looks of the "Egg Fly", it needs a hook that size, maybe downsizing the pattern and seeing what it brings could be an idea ?
BTW, Every Day, I like the "Egg Fly", send me a dozen, and I'll do some PR work for ya ;D ;D
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A larger hook should actually prevent deeper hook ups, for some reason this is not the case.
If you are saying a 1/0 hook is too large or spooky, I hit 3 fish in a day in crystal clear water on this fly in front of people using small presentations and bait.
Most of the time Steelhead don't take artificial's deep to my knowledge.
These are the first 2 I have ever hooked deep in 4 years of fishing, and until this year all I had ever used was bait.
Never said anything about spooky.Your missing the point...a big hook is not needed to catch a steelhead.IMO a small hook is alot more ethical and less damaging to the fish.
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Never said anything about spooky.Your missing the point...a big hook is not needed to catch a steelhead.IMO a small hook is alot more ethical and less damaging to the fish.
oh my gosh...."more ethical" ! I hope you are kidding because that is a ridiculous and unfounded statement!
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ha ha no kidding ::) i use bigger hooks especially when im bait fishing just so they dont swallow that little hook to their stomachs
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Never said anything about spooky.Your missing the point...a big hook is not needed to catch a steelhead.IMO a small hook is alot more ethical and less damaging to the fish.
Never ceases to amaze me some of the perspectives on here, yes one hook may be slightly bigger than the other. But, at the end of the day either way we are still ramming a sharpened piece of metal into their jaw and dragging them against their will to shore, please spare us all the righteous "ethics"
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Dions got it right with using forceps, they are very handy for unhooking a deeply hooked fish and can be used in delicate areas with care. I always have a set clipped inside my jacket.
Agreed! but if it is at all dicey on the quick inspection I just simple cut the line.
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Never said anything about spooky.Your missing the point...a big hook is not needed to catch a steelhead.IMO a small hook is alot more ethical and less damaging to the fish.
Hook size has got nothing to do with ethics, hook size depends on what your using with that hook. Now using bait in an area with a bait ban then now you would be talking unethical as well as illegal.
Now one day last year when out steelheading I came across an eagle feasting on a dead steelhead. When it flew away I went to have a look and discovered it had line coming out of it's mouth and a hook down into its gill rackers and this fish was had not yet spawned.
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Hook size has got nothing to do with ethics, hook size depends on what your using with that hook.
Good point. Hook size depends more on the size of presentation.
For example, a #2 hook will work well with size 10 corky or large jensen egg, but a gooey bob will require a larger hook size like a 1/0 due to it's larger profile and firmness.
Of course, someone could use only #2 or smaller hooks by using only presentations which are suitable to those hook size.
I guess it is a matter of choice on part of the fisherman.
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Just to point out Dennis' post regarding hook size. Not sure if a chosen hook size would make one more or less ethical, but hook size can have some impact on a released fish's mortality. Most likely it has little effect on steelhead unless your hook is extremely big or small, but it can make a difference on the trout/juvenile salmonids that you by-catch. For example, in late spring, summer and early fall, when targeting steelhead, chinook, coho, there are times when you'd come across a juvenile steelhead or small trout. If a larger hook is used (1/0, 2/0), it has a tendency to go directly through the small fish's head and instantly kills it. That has occurred during my outings while targeting coho in September so I have made changes in the hook sizes that I use during certain time of the year. Hooks with a bigger shank can also do more damage, eg. create a larger gash and result in too much bleeding.
Of course, one can always say that if we are so concerned about this, then we should stop fishing totally, but it is just something to consider. Little changes can sometimes make a huge difference IMO.
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As for me 1/0 for bait fishin and #2's for wool ties and such. As for deep hookin fish i will just cut the line rather than riskin it.
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Or maybe it has to do with hookset timing.perhaps the fish are chewing before the bite is detected?
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Or maybe it has to do with hookset timing.perhaps the fish are chewing before the bite is detected?
As said before, all of these fish were HARD float downs on which I set the hook instantly.
I have not changed what I have been doing since starting out 4 years ago.
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Upon further review of this case....
I think your roe fly just looks to real.
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oh my gosh...."more ethical" ! I hope you are kidding because that is a ridiculous and unfounded statement!
The bigger the hook the more damage it does to the fish.What dont you understand?Like i said before and will say again in all the yrs i have fished steelhead and the hundreds upon hundreds i have landed,only a few were bleeders.They simply dont swallow a #2 hook and it does very little damage to the fish.Rod you make a good point regarding bycatch using a 1 odd hook.I couldnt agree more.
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big hook,kill it;small swallow,will not survive after release;keep it,don't want to or illegal.I stay at home watching fishing show. ;D
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big hook,kill it;small swallow,will not survive after release;keep it,don't want to or illegal.I stay at home watching fishing show. ;D
WTF does this even mean? If you can't be bothered to put a comprehensibly post together, then don't post at all. The purpose of a forum is to share ideas and discuss things, not post jibberish.
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WTF does this even mean? If you can't be bothered to put a comprehensibly post together, then don't post at all. The purpose of a forum is to share ideas and discuss things, not post jibberish.
I think it's "bwoken engrish", maybe you should cut him some slack there, Gestapo Brat ;D
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For some English is a second language. You could kinda make out what the guy was trying to post. :-\
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For some English is a second language. You could kinda make out what the guy was trying to post. :-\
Ya, something like fish die from being caught with big hooks, and fish die from swallowing small hooks, so I just say the hell with it and stay home watching Gary Coopers Fishing Diaries ::) Just a guess though ;D
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1/0 and 2/0 all the time
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1/0 and 2/0 all the time
Jiberish...
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size 2 and 4 and i lose every fish i hook
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A steelhead I landed yesterday had a large 4/0 or so red octopus hook set well in its lower mouth. As there was no leader attached to the hook with no sign of recent bleeding, I assumed it was hooked a few days ago and also might be a barbed hook as it had not popped out. I thought about using my fishing plier to pull it out but decided against it as pulling out a possible barbed hook could start it to bleed and did not want to have a trashing angry steelhead on my hands. If that fish survives spawning, return to salt water would likely corrode the hook away.
I am just curious, what kind of bait would require someone to use such a big hook for steelhead fishing? A hook this size could do real damage on a smaller steelhead, but this fish being at least 12 pounds had a big enough mouth so that no vital parts were injured. Should I have attempted to pull the hook out? Also, my previous post regarding "hook size depending on size of presentation" was written with maximum hook size of 1/0 in mind and not applicable to someone using these extreme large bait hooks. I use 1/0 hooks when using gooey bobs in very turbid water conditions, but mostly use size 2 for all other baits. But, smaller hooks tend to pop out more easily and less forgiving of error on part of the angler.
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A steelhead I landed yesterday had a large 4/0 or so red octopus hook set well in its lower mouth. As there was no leader attached to the hook with no sign of recent bleeding, I assumed it was hooked a few days ago and also might be a barbed hook as it had not popped out. I thought about using my fishing plier to pull it out but decided against it as pulling out a possible barbed hook could start it to bleed and did not want to have a trashing angry steelhead on my hands. If that fish survives spawning, return to salt water would likely corrode the hook away.
I am just curious, what kind of bait would require someone to use such a big hook for steelhead fishing? A hook this size could do real damage on a smaller steelhead, but this fish being at least 12 pounds had a big enough mouth so that no vital parts were injured. Should I have attempted to pull the hook out? Also, my previous post regarding "hook size depending on size of presentation" was written with maximum hook size of 1/0 in mind and not applicable to someone using these extreme large bait hooks. I use 1/0 hooks when using gooey bobs in very turbid water conditions, but mostly use size 2 for all other baits. But, smaller hooks tend to pop out more easily and less forgiving of error on part of the angler.
it was probly just a begineers hook, and they dont know better as to which size hook to use and the barbless rule.
I use size 2s for all my steelhead needs except blades i put a 2/0 on.
I have caught salmon with hooks in their mouth and the odd steelhead with a hook in its mouth, i will do a light little pop and if it doesnt come out, ill just leave it.
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A steelhead I landed yesterday had a large 4/0 or so red octopus hook set well in its lower mouth. As there was no leader attached to the hook with no sign of recent bleeding, I assumed it was hooked a few days ago and also might be a barbed hook as it had not popped out. I thought about using my fishing plier to pull it out but decided against it as pulling out a possible barbed hook could start it to bleed and did not want to have a trashing angry steelhead on my hands. If that fish survives spawning, return to salt water would likely corrode the hook away.
I am just curious, what kind of bait would require someone to use such a big hook for steelhead fishing? A hook this size could do real damage on a smaller steelhead, but this fish being at least 12 pounds had a big enough mouth so that no vital parts were injured. Should I have attempted to pull the hook out? Also, my previous post regarding "hook size depending on size of presentation" was written with maximum hook size of 1/0 in mind and not applicable to someone using these extreme large bait hooks. I use 1/0 hooks when using gooey bobs in very turbid water conditions, but mostly use size 2 for all other baits. But, smaller hooks tend to pop out more easily and less forgiving of error on part of the angler.
If you couldnt tell if there was a barb r not big blue I would say leaving the hook as is was a good call.... imo therewas absolutely no reason to fish a hook of that size but there you go. ???
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4/0 might be a bit over kill. Personally I don't think u need to use bigger than I a 1/0 but that's just me. 8)
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My 2 cents.
In the start of the season I had 2 fish swallow my hook. Both on bait with #4 hook and at that point in the season I had only maybe 5 fish. Since then I stopped using #4 and started with #2. Im like 30 plus fish deep now and have had not even one swallow my #2 with bait.
In the coho season before this I used #4 a lot dint have one swallow a hook.......
I have been drift fishing for around 20 years now and I can only remember a few times fish swallowing my hook.
Josh