Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: cutthroat22 on January 23, 2012, 10:37:00 AM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/01/06/bc-metro-vancouver-smoking-ban.html
Smoking ban at ALL Metro Vancouver Parks as of January 1st. Seymour, Lynn, Derby Reach, Kanaka Creek, Belcarra etc...
http://www.metrovancouver.org/services/parks_lscr/regionalparks/Pages/default.aspx
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That's quite a radical (almost fascist) law.
But hey...if it is going to help even more people kick the habit, I say let it ride...
Milo (smoke free since May 26, 2010, after having smoked a pack a day for almost 35 years).
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I like the new law but they should extend it to the rivers as well ;D Enforcement is going to be a problem
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Milo: congrats on quitting.
Smokers always have the option of snorting snuff or chewing tobacco. Gobbing large black loogies is still legal.
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Oh sure enforce no smoking on the river and do sweet f all about flossers and snaggers give your head a shake.
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Oh sure enforce no smoking on the river and do sweet f all about flossers and snaggers give your head a shake.
Thats exactly what I envision happening at Cable Pool specifically. Some loser(s) snagging coho at cable pool with a butt hanging out of his mouth will be ticketed $75 by a parks employee for smoking and carry on snagging lol.
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fianally, i was really getting tired of seeing the foil off the top of the pack of smokes and the butts thrown on the ground or in the river. or the whole empty pack
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...and this is why other countries laugh at us....ban smoking in public parks, but provide safe injection sites for heroin addicts.
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Yah, well what about the timmies cups, macratland wrappers, gum foil and other crap, i am a smoker and i am trying to quit, but butts and the like are not the only garbaage left on the river, i take my empty packs in my vest, the outdoors is one of the last few places a smoker can enjoy his habit. What about the little circles of chronics that gather on the river and pass a fritter around, i don't partake of the herb but many of my fishin friends do and i wouldn't stop them from enjoying their vice this is canada last time i looked we still had some freedoms
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Cigarette butts are the number one piece of litter found in beach clean-ups.
Butts have also been found in the stomach contents of almost ever species of commercially caught fish.
Not to mention all the chemicals that have been absorbed into the filter and then released into the water.
I have no problems with people smoking on the river but pack it in pack it out, this includes your butts
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I am all for people quitting cigarettes...but this is just one more unenforecable law from Big Brother. There are already laws on the books about littering - lets enforce those before making new ones that will be ignored.
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ya i m not agaisnt smoking just all the littering that seems to go along with it. when this makes sense to me is when you are on the beach with your towels laid out sitting there and the people next to you are smoking if your down wind it sucks.
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I almost never see any park rangers while fishing. Like any new law, the penalties to go with it won't act as deterrent enough unless the enforcement is there. I don't think the smoking ban will change anything...
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When growing up watched tv shows in the 50's 60's 70's etc...& ya sure saw a lot of cigs burning away...
Case & point Johnny Carson tv show....one that Leno does now...
Sometimes ya would see 3 cigs lit up...a the same time.
Gov were cashing in big time with all the taxes they put on a pack.
As long as the gov. made a profit ....they did not push for all the rules against smokers BUT as soon as the health care costs got higher & higher....they re calculated ....did simple math....pay nurses doctors ...all support staff...etc etc ...cost of giving aid to people coming down with cancers ,lung problems,......they found out that the cig tax did not cover the cost to treat cig related illnesses....
thus all hell broke lose.....sue the cig companies...add in ever increasing laws against smokers....etc...
If gov made a profit from the taxing of cigs after health costs....they would not of brought in all the new rules.
As long as the tax on booze makes a profit after paying health costs associated from drinking alcohol the gov. will not come down on it.
Thus expect to see lots of beer cans near your favorite fishing hole.
Gov brought in bike helmet laws ...because too high cost of treating head injuries...but sure do see a lot of riders not wearing them????
RCMP may not enforce it too much here in Richmond....maybe the Vancouver police enforce it more???
But I can just see somebody telling someone to butt out in the park....& getting a black eye for his effort.
Maybe smokers will just carry a small fold up tent in their back pocket....when they need a smoke they hide inside this stand up tent...hole at top so smoke exits....after having butt ...they just fold up this light material tent....& replace it in their back pocket. ;D
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Or...why not do what all civilized and developed countries have been doing for a while now: install smoke cabins indoor and outdoor in public areas. They are already just about everywhere in Euroland.
The enormous resources from smoking taxation certainly make it feasible, and it would once and for all put to rest the debate about second hand smoke and smoking-related litter. I have been there, seen them work, smoked in them, and they really are the cat's rear.
(http://www.hellopro.co.uk/images/produit-2/1/8/8/smoke-n-go-outdoor-6881.gif)
(http://momondo.com/blogs/culture/cph_smoking_cabin.jpg)
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Put's a whole new slant to "I'm up at the cabin".
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milo that's pretty kewl where does all the smoke go? does it just hot box the cabin or is there a air filter that sucks up all the smoke
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All the smoke is broken down and filtered, eliminating up to 99.9% of the harmful gases and particles, as well as the foul odour.
You wouldn't believe it, but when you leave that cabin, your clothes don't even stink of cigs. It's really amazing clean technology.
There's an idea for a fledgling entrepreneur: introduce these to BC. You could make a kill.
If I had any interest in pursuing wealth, I'd probably go for it myself. But at this point in my life, all I am interested in is leisure time.
I work to live, not the other way around.
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I'm all for it. In fact, I personally would take it further and ban smoking in public completely. If it's illegal to have an open container of alcohol in public, which isn't harming anyone, then they should do it with cigarettes. I know they do it for alcohol, so that we don't have people drunk all over the place, and continue to drink in public when drunk. But it's not fair for some people out there who want to have a casual beer or two while fishing or relaxing at a park/beach or whatever.
At least with alcohol, if someone chooses to litter their cans or bottles, it is worth 10c each and therefore it gets picked up by people collecting them (provided of course it's clearly visible and accessible in a busy enough area). Especially downtown. But cigarette butts, are strewn all over the ground everywhere, it's disgusting and an eyesore.
Nothing is more maddening than having someone walking in front of you on a busy sidewalk smoking, and then everyone behind them and around them have to breath that **** in. It's extremely offending and a health hazard. Even if there's someone smoking in the car in front of you, while your driving, or next to you at a light. That smoke and smell finds its way into your car. At least if someone chooses to engage in a bad and dangerous-for-health habit, then go ahead, but don't subject other people around you to it.
Those smoke cabins are a good idea. The 2nd photo with the guy standing alone in there is actually funny. It ends up putting smokers on display, and rather humiliated, somewhat like a caged animal at the zoo.