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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: PaulyD on September 08, 2015, 04:54:09 PM
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http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175547&ID=all
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Not good at all.
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What i dont get is in one notice they say there is very little TAC at the 6.2 million mark but then the next notice they open the seiners !!! I know they say its only 2 boats but come on im sure they can take alot of fish with just 2 boats . And if they dont harm alot of sockeye then what the whole fleet goes out ??? What a load of b.s. Dfo
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As per the notice "Survival rates of sockeye released in
this fishery are expected to be high"...really?
Pink fishing will be amazing during this fishery as well. SMH.
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Not to mention the interior coho they may get as well it just shows that they are not really interested in protecting our endangered runs at all
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Got a lot of jibber jabber in a number posts recently.
(Actually: always ???)
Election coming up...
Every one wants a piece of the pie!
A commercial opening appeases a few and makes others angry.
Those that don't get to take part in this commercial opening experiment will YELL and SCREAM and be heard.
What will you do?
Opening it up on a forum is a good start but most will expect others to do the work and will complain later because nothing changed.
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Yikes.
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Guess there's no point in going tomorrow. :(
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What i dont get is in one notice they say there is very little TAC at the 6.2 million mark but then the next notice they open the seiners !!! I know they say its only 2 boats but come on im sure they can take alot of fish with just 2 boats . And if they dont harm alot of sockeye then what the whole fleet goes out ??? What a load of b.s. Dfo
There is a limited TAC (the total Canadian TAC is just 300 000 pinks or less than 5% of the total run size) and the share for this fishery is 1500 per Area B licence and 400 for Area H, so the most any boat will take is 1500 pinks (DFO observers will be on board to monitor the fishery).
This is a limited opportunity opening to determine if pink abundance is high enough (and sockeye interception is low enough) to allow an ITQ demonstration fishery. If the two seines encounter too few pinks or too many sockeye, (they must stop fishing if they encounter 60 Area B sockeye or 12 Area H sockeye, based on a 25% release mortality rate and a mortality limit of 15 sockeye per Area B licence or 3 per Area H license), then the ITQ fishery will not proceed.
Remember that we are talking about people's jobs here, their livelihood, not just for the boat captains and crew, but all the spinoffs as well, so they will always try to give them as many opportunities as possible, but try to protect the stocks for the future as well. It is always a delicate balance. We are all crying over a loss of a recreational opportunity, but imagine if it was your only chance to make your living? That's why commercial openings take precedence over recreational. The effect on jobs is more direct (although overall indirect economic impact is arguably less).
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Remember that we are talking about people's jobs here, their livelihood, not just for the boat captains The effect on jobs is more direct (although overall indirect economic impact is arguably less).
You are telling me that commercial fishing is an all-year 'round and financially sustainable job and the ONLY opportunity that one may have to make a living? I'm not debating the reason for this opening here but trying to use this to justify the commercial salmon opening when all indicators are pointing to a poor run is just a joke...
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I'm new to fishing so I'm not sure if I understand what this means. I read the notice several times and get that DFO is allowing commercial fishing of pinks from boats, using nets.
Does this mean that there won't be many pinks that escape the nets and get up the river? Or does it mean that rec fishermen can't fish at the same time as the commercial boats? Or does it mean something else?
I spent a bunch of money at Sea-Run today picking up gear for salmon fishing tomorrow. This notice came out about 4 hours later. Hopefully I can still fish, even if my chances will be worse... :-\
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I'm new to fishing so I'm not sure if I understand what this means. I read the notice several times and get that DFO is allowing commercial fishing of pinks from boats, using nets.
Does this mean that there won't be many pinks that escape the nets and get up the river? Or does it mean that rec fishermen can't fish at the same time as the commercial boats? Or does it mean something else?
I spent a bunch of money at Sea-Run today picking up gear for salmon fishing tomorrow. This notice came out about 4 hours later. Hopefully I can still fish, even if my chances will be worse... :-\
Yes you can fish during the commercial opening.
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I'm new to fishing so I'm not sure if I understand what this means. I read the notice several times and get that DFO is allowing commercial fishing of pinks from boats, using nets.
Does this mean that there won't be many pinks that escape the nets and get up the river? Or does it mean that rec fishermen can't fish at the same time as the commercial boats? Or does it mean something else?
I spent a bunch of money at Sea-Run today picking up gear for salmon fishing tomorrow. This notice came out about 4 hours later. Hopefully I can still fish, even if my chances will be worse... :-\
Recreational fishing openings do not change when other fishery openings are announced unless DFO says it is closed.
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So why the long faces? Is the worry that the nets will catch them all?
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In a regular full commercial opening they are pretty efficient at scooping up many of the fish passing by to a point that the sport fishery upstream is noticeably impacted. I wouldnt let that stop you from going out and giving it a try though. It sounds like a limited opening and should be great weather. Have at it and enjoy your day.
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So why the long faces? Is the worry that the nets will catch them all?
Pretty much yes, 2013 had 20+ million pinks return, respectively gillnetters scooped them pretty bad on most days, hence the 5 mil present run..... which is also gonna get a pounding. And that's "just" for pinks, or "dog food" as some people refer to them. How many threatened chinook, coho and sockeye won't make it trough the nets? Well let's go catch them and see, that's the current agenda's ways.
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You are telling me that commercial fishing is an all-year 'round and financially sustainable job and the ONLY opportunity that one may have to make a living? I'm not debating the reason for this opening here but trying to use this to justify the commercial salmon opening when all indicators are pointing to a poor run is just a joke...
No. I am telling you that everyone whined and complained that they wouldn't open the river to recreational fishing (the lowest priority fishery) and then then when they finally do open it, moan and groan that they are allowing a limit commercial test opening (a higher priority fishery due to the more direct economic impact to participants).
Don't get me wrong, the Recreational salmon fishery generates substantial (albeit more difficult to track) economic benefit, however, it is a recreation, that is to say fun leisure activity. While it generates a windfall for tackle shops and maybe even a small spike in guide services (who needs a guide to catch pinks?), much the way the NHL playoffs generate a windfall for local restaurants and bars, no one is basing their business plan on the pink run opening. The same cannot be said for the boat captains who have already lost out on the lucrative sockeye run. All they have left is pinks and chum. This limited test fishery is just to see if they can have their own kick at the can. We have had ours.
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No. I am telling you that everyone whined and complained that they wouldn't open the river to recreational fishing (the lowest priority fishery) and then then when they finally do open it, moan and groan that they are allowing a limit commercial test opening (a higher priority fishery due to the more direct economic impact to participants).
Don't get me wrong, the Recreational salmon fishery generates substantial (albeit more difficult to track) economic benefit, however, it is a recreation, that is to say fun leisure activity. While it generates a windfall for tackle shops and maybe even a small spike in guide services (who needs a guide to catch pinks?), much the way the NHL playoffs generate a windfall for local restaurants and bars, no one is basing their business plan on the pink run opening. The same cannot be said for the boat captains who have already lost out on the lucrative sockeye run. All they have left is pinks and chum. This limited test fishery is just to see if they can have their own kick at the can. We have had ours.
A balanced position, and a well articulated response.
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A balanced position, and a well articulated response.
Agreed, too many of us sporties don't realize what we have and are a bunch of self serving babies with no idea of the bigger picture.
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Group hug, dereke :-*
Pinks have been available to the shore angler in North Vancouver, West Vancouver and Howe Sound since early/mid July. If you wanted to eat a pink salmon that you caught yourself, you have had almost 2 months of opportunity to do that. More recently, they have been available in the C/V system while the Fraser remained closed.
To complain that the Fraser was not open for pinks due to conservation concerns, or to complain about a commerical opening, makes no sense to me. Sorry that you can't fish for pinks in your backyard, but why complain about the 1/10 that your glass is empty when it is 9/10 full?
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Allow me to bring some common sense and some really good math into this discussion.
Quote Fishery Notice "FN1001-Salmon: Seine - Area B - Fraser River Pink - Area 29 - Limited Participation Opening - Sept 9, 2015"
"The cumulative individual quota
in pieces for each Area B licence is 1,493 pink based on a share of 0.49107%
and a Canadian Commercial TAC (CCTAC) of 304,000 pink."
Alright....MATH TIME.....
1493 fish x average 5 lbs per fish is just under 7500 lbs of fish per seine licence.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the current LIVE weight price for Pinks is less than .25 cents per pound.
That means each licence will receive about less than $1900 for the entire Pink season.
After all the costs (fuel, staff, boat upkeep, etc, ect, etc), each licence holder will walk away with a few hundred dollars.
Also take into consideration the amount of federal tax dollars (tens of thousands if not more) to pay the idiots who manage this Fraser Salmon fiasco every year.
It is simply not worth it.
It would be cheaper and better for everyone to just give each licence holder a $1000 and send them home....and cheaper for tax payers too.
There is absolutely NO common sense at all being used here at any level of this fishery.
Oh...and I almost forgot....if you're a poor sucker who has an area "H" licence...you only get 400 fish. After costs, that might net you enough profit to take the old lady out for dinner.....
DFO is a joke.
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Allow me to bring some common sense and some really good math into this discussion.
Quote Fishery Notice "FN1001-Salmon: Seine - Area B - Fraser River Pink - Area 29 - Limited Participation Opening - Sept 9, 2015"
"The cumulative individual quota
in pieces for each Area B licence is 1,493 pink based on a share of 0.49107%
and a Canadian Commercial TAC (CCTAC) of 304,000 pink."
Alright....MATH TIME.....
1493 fish x average 5 lbs per fish is just under 7500 lbs of fish per seine licence.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the current LIVE weight price for Pinks is less than .25 cents per pound.
That means each licence will receive about less than $1900 for the entire Pink season.
After all the costs (fuel, staff, boat upkeep, etc, ect, etc), each licence holder will walk away with a few hundred dollars.
Also take into consideration the amount of federal tax dollars (tens of thousands if not more) to pay the idiots who manage this Fraser Salmon fiasco every year.
It is simply not worth it.
It would be cheaper and better for everyone to just give each licence holder a $1000 and send them home....and cheaper for tax payers too.
There is absolutely NO common sense at all being used here at any level of this fishery.
Oh...and I almost forgot....if you're a poor sucker who has an area "H" licence...you only get 400 fish. After costs, that might net you enough profit to take the old lady out for dinner.....
DFO is a joke.
Ship to China! It will cost $5-$10 per pound for "wild Canadian Salmon"! 7500x5= $37500 - ~10000 (shipping/freezng)= $27500!, USD! lol
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Commercial opening really do the damage, went out this morning,fish for 3 hours, hardly any pinks get by,manage to land one ,better luck next time.
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Commercial opening really do the damage, went out this morning,fish for 3 hours, hardly any pinks get by,manage to land one ,better luck next time.
I saw more fish today than the past 4 days combined. There was a ton. I skunked out though.
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Just returned from Maple Ridge area. Fished for a couple hours then a school went by. Next two casts netted two fish. I think we are still good even with commercials out there.
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There was very little as in comparison to yesterday at the same time of day.
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There was very little as in comparison to yesterday at the same time of day.
I had same experience.
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Saw a lot of risers today on the lower part of the Fraser, hooked one doe but let her go.
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"There was very little as in comparison to yesterday at the same time of day"
Isn't that always the case-should have been here yesterday ;)
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I totally agree with how slow it got the yesterday. Usually as soon as the tide shifts to flood we see schools rising and finning as they move through. Yesterday was a joke, stayed for the entire flood and saw little or no activity as well as only a few fish on.
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Guess they figured out that there actually arent many fish out there as they closed it pretty quick http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175627&ID=all
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Guess they figured out that there actually arent many fish out there as they closed it pretty quick http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175627&ID=all
What will happen to people's jobs then?? ::) I'm starting to get worried now....
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Guess they figured out that there actually arent many fish out there as they closed it pretty quick http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=175627&ID=all
Could have been too high sockeye by-catch mortality rather than lack of fish out there. Wish they posted the reason for the closure.
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Could have been too high sockeye by-catch mortality rather than lack of fish out there. Wish they posted the reason for the closure.
The seine boats stopped before noon yesterday do to lack of fish. They didn't even pay for fuel.
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Just came back from the river, landed 4 in an hour on a dark pink fly guess the commercials didn't get them all.
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Could have been too high sockeye by-catch mortality rather than lack of fish out there. Wish they posted the reason for the closure.
That's highly unlikely. It's too late into the sockeye run and if you look at the number of sockeyes caught in the Albion test net, they've been declining pretty sharply over the last week. There's also NO coho caught at Albion yet for this month.
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That's highly unlikely. It's too late into the sockeye run and if you look at the number of sockeyes caught in the Albion test net, they've been declining pretty sharply over the last week. There's also NO coho caught at Albion yet for this month.
The Cottonwood and Whonnock test nets don't show much change in sockeye over the past week and I think we are still in the middle of the late run sockeye...which has just been downgraded from 300,000 to 200,000 in return numbers.
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The seine boats stopped before noon yesterday do to lack of fish. They didn't even pay for fuel.
This is really sad. Not because they didn't catch fish but mainly because of the run size. This is supposed to be the hottest week of the Fraser pink run.
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There was barely any fish today when I checked it out, two days in row.
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it was good where I was tuesday - may have landed a dozen. Some were large. I killed a doe of 22 inches and very round. Good sized bucks and I rolled a really big one. Some nice clean fish that fight almost as good as coho. I am not seeing the smaller fish that I saw on the Squamish and Furry Creek. Lots of fish in the 4 lb and 5lb mark so far.
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The seine boats stopped before noon yesterday do to lack of fish. They didn't even pay for fuel.
Not trying to sound rude or crass but maybe it is time to look for another career? The writing has been on the wall for many years about the west coast salmon and should be no surprise things are slim and will never return to the 'good old days'...DFO screwed up the east coast fishing and have shown the same incompetence over the years on the west coast. It really is no longer a good way to make a living anymore.
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This year's pink fishery on the Fraser has broken my faith in fishing as a hobby. I was looking forward to the return of the pink salmon on the Fraser River in Richmond since 2013. What happens this year?... delay the opening, open the river for a fortnight, close it again, open it Sept. 5th ... I was at No. 3 Road and Dyke Road and no one on the river caught any fish today. In 2015 the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
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There was barely any fish today when I checked it out, two days in row.
depends where u fish and if u know what u are doing !!!
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the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
GO buy it in a store or from fishmarket - max 5$ a fish .
If you complain about money spent vs fish caught - you are "meat fisherman" , me and my bud spent DAYS and HOURS on a river to get few pinks . If you think that you paid x amount of $ and It will be y amount of fish - you are facing a wrong direction .
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depends where u fish and if u know what u are doing !!!
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In 2015 the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
I guess fishing is not for you.
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This year's pink fishery on the Fraser has broken my faith in fishing as a hobby. I was looking forward to the return of the pink salmon on the Fraser River in Richmond since 2013. What happens this year?... delay the opening, open the river for a fortnight, close it again, open it Sept. 5th ... I was at No. 3 Road and Dyke Road and no one on the river caught any fish today. In 2015 the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
Sounds like whatever you're doing, be it location or technique, is off. I'd suggest switching gears to a new location.
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This year's pink fishery on the Fraser has broken my faith in fishing as a hobby. I was looking forward to the return of the pink salmon on the Fraser River in Richmond since 2013. What happens this year?... delay the opening, open the river for a fortnight, close it again, open it Sept. 5th ... I was at No. 3 Road and Dyke Road and no one on the river caught any fish today. In 2015 the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
Cliche time.
It's not called "Catching" it's called "fishing".
I've fished I think a total of 6 or 7 hours this pink run, and I've caught about 6 or 7 fish. In my expirence its low for pinks, but when you consider other species that's a high ratio of catch.
Try steelhead fishing...
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Cliche time.
It's not called "Catching" it's called "fishing".
I've fished I think a total of 6 or 7 hours this pink run, and I've caught about 6 or 7 fish. In my expirence its low for pinks, but when you consider other species that's a high ratio of catch.
Try steelhead fishing...
Great post
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Or take up fly fishing. :o Seriously though, every time I have gone fishing for pinks I have caught multiple fish when using flies. It has actually been better than 2013 for the total number of fish caught. On the few times i have tossed spoons (I will do that to see see if it is worth bringing my boy out, as he has a low tolerance for being skunked), I have struggled to hook one, let alone the half dozen or more I get on the old faithful pink and white clouser.
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Or take up fly fishing. :o Seriously though, every time I have gone fishing for pinks I have caught multiple fish when using flies. It has actually been better than 2013 for the total number of fish caught. On the few times i have tossed spoons (I will do that to see see if it is worth bringing my boy out, as he has a low tolerance for being skunked), I have struggled to hook one, let alone the half dozen or more I get on the old faithful pink and white clouser.
Interesting... we found the same to be true at Furry... especially in the 2nd half of the run when they would hardly touch gear yet nail the fly.
Are you fishing tidal or non tidal? Just curious, as I am still new to the fly game :)
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This year's pink fishery on the Fraser has broken my faith in fishing as a hobby. I was looking forward to the return of the pink salmon on the Fraser River in Richmond since 2013. What happens this year?... delay the opening, open the river for a fortnight, close it again, open it Sept. 5th ... I was at No. 3 Road and Dyke Road and no one on the river caught any fish today. In 2015 the pink fishery has been an utter waste of time and money on gear.
Don't hang your fishing hat on the Fraser River salmon fishery. It's been called "the most complex resource management problem in the world". Imagine having multiple salmon species with different escapement needs and fluctuating annual survival rates migrating through a variety of marine and freshwater fishing grounds at different times and trying to provide fishing opportunities for many different resource users (all with different priorities to the resource), while satisfying the requirements of an international treaty. All based on very limited and sometimes inaccurate in-season data.
We live in a fishing paradise in BC; there are many other great freshwater fisheries to take part in if pinks aren't working for you.
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Interesting... we found the same to be true at Furry... especially in the 2nd half of the run when they would hardly touch gear yet nail the fly.
Are you fishing tidal or non tidal? Just curious, as I am still new to the fly game :)
Both, but the vast majority of my fishing has been tidal. I had two trips to Furry Creek, three to Burrard Inlet, two to the Seymour Mouth, a three or four trips to Derby Reach, two to Crescent Island, one to Mission, one to Rosedsle, and two to Harrison. All but two trips resulted in multiple fish days, and a few (including the last trip to Harrison) ended with well over a dozen fish caught. In 2013 I had to work hard to get two or three fish.
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Don't hang your fishing hat on the Fraser River salmon fishery. It's been called "the most complex resource management problem in the world". Imagine having multiple salmon species with different escapement needs and fluctuating annual survival rates migrating through a variety of marine and freshwater fishing grounds at different times and trying to provide fishing opportunities for many different resource users (all with different priorities to the resource), while satisfying the requirements of an international treaty. All based on very limited and sometimes inaccurate in-season data.
We live in a fishing paradise in BC; there are many other great freshwater fisheries to take part in if pinks aren't working for you.
All leading to the managers also being the most hated people in the world. No matter what they do, people are pissed off. Its just different people mad at them all the time...