Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: CohoJake on September 10, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
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Just saw this article http://www.theprogress.com/news/325711371.html?mobile=true (http://www.theprogress.com/news/325711371.html?mobile=true) about the outdoor smoking ban in Chilliwack, so I quickly googled up the map of the city to see how much of the river is in the city. The answer is a lot. The smoking ban seems pretty extensive:
"No smoking will be permitted within 15 metres of an outdoor playground, playing field, spots venue, stadium or sports facility, or on any land owned by City of Chilliwack or School District 33, at a bus stop, park, off-leash dog park, pool, or trail." And it includes vaping (e-cigarettes).
No smoking within 15 metres of a trail in the city? Would that include Rotary Trail? Many of the spots we frequently fish are within 15 metres of the trail (often right on the dike). From what I have seen, my dad would not be alone in having a hard time with this rule. (His favorite method of fishing is to sit down and smoke until I start hooking fish, then he gets up and starts joining in.) Anyone know the full extent of it? Am I worrying for nothing?
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I am a smoker, and i find that it is a little bit silly.
Careless is one thing totally separate than smoking.
Use caution and be fire smart is the big rule at play.
I think every non-smoking sign should have info on the closest smoking area.
We are the dinosaurs, time to just become oil ?? heh
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I just sent an email to the city seeking clarification, and I'll share when they get back to me. The actual bylaw is really vague - "within the area of a trail". What the heck does that mean? I don't smoke, and I wish my dad would quit, but I know this rule wouldn't make him quit, just make him want to fish farther upriver. I've thought about getting him an e-cig, but that seems to be banned as well. Smoking seems to be very common among the "old timers" on the river, the people I enjoy fishing next to most.
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I think being respectful should be enough.
Most of the people that come up to complain are usually looking for confrontation. Just abide and light back up after they go away.
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As long as you are below the high water mark I don't believe the city would have a leg to stand on.
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Smoking is part of fishing experience for many. I don't smoke, but I enjoy smoke of good cigarets. So make sure to smoke good ones :)
Some people might haver allergies etc., that's a different story.
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As long as you are below the high water mark I don't believe the city would have a leg to stand on.
For property yes. But if there is a trail within 15 meters, I think it would still apply. You're not on their land, but still would be breaking their law. I could be wrong though. It's not that hard to get 45 feet away.
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Have never seen the rule enforced but it applies to all parks in the Lower Mainland as well. Ambleside, Capilano, Garry Point, etc. Thankfully I quit that nasty habit after 20 years and I don't have to worry about it anymore.
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Quit smoking? It's a useless habit.
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Quit smoking? It's a useless habit.
Almost as useless as saying what you said.
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Good luck with that Chilliwack ::)
Whole valley wont be happy until the politicians turn us all into vegan celibate monks, who never move from one spot unless given permission my our overlords.
I think Ill celebrate by going outside right now and lighting up a cigar, opening a beer, and farting loud enough for my neighbor to hear
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Good luck with that Chilliwack ::)
Whole valley wont be happy until the politicians turn us all into vegan celibate monks, who never move from one spot unless given permission my our overlords.
I think Ill celebrate by going outside right now and lighting up a cigar, opening a beer, and farting loud enough for my neighbor to hear
I heard that! :o
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I feel the take away here is don't be a dick. If i'm fishing a not very crowded spot and you come up close and start smoking and it's in my face, or I can smell it, that's not on.
Other than this, who cares on a river?
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I feel the take away here is don't be a dick. If i'm fishing a not very crowded spot and you come up close and start smoking and it's in my face, or I can smell it, that's not on.
Other than this, who cares on a river?
I don't smoke and never have, but I feel like it is just a sad commentary on the urbanization of this river. I remember fishing down by Peach rd. when all that was down there was the military base and farmland. I think the trail system is great, and I love how the morning walkers tend to stop and chat about fishing. I just hope this rule doesn't make it less of a friendly place. The article I posted said one big reason for this rule was the fire hazard - I just hope everyone can see that there really isn't a fire hazard on the dike or the river bank.
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Not sure how the new law will be enforced. My father in law will no longer be allowed to smoke outside the local ice rink when watching my son play hockey. Other then that I have no issue with the new by-laws. It is what it is.
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Tell them it's medicinal, works for me 8)
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Tell them it's medicinal, works for me 8)
Ah, yes. I'll never forget the first time I smelled marijuana at 7:00 am. At least it makes the fellow anglers relaxed and easygoing. ;D
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Quit smoking? It's a useless habit.
Some say the same about fishing ;) i dont smoke btw.
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the amount of butts that get tossed on the ground in any given area is astounding, they are everywhere. In that sense alone it is very intrusive.
smokers, quit throwing your butts everywhere, especially in the water, no one wants to see dirty cigarette butts floating down the river past them or littering the banks, have some respect, pack them out with you, dispose of properly...
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Some say the same about fishing ;) i dont smoke btw.
Some would, but fishing can result in yummy table fare. Smoking results in COPD, Cancer, smelling like crap, empty wallet, etc.
Wait the empty wallet can result from fishing too. ;)
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I just hope this rule doesn't make it less of a friendly place. The article I posted said one big reason for this rule was the fire hazard - I just hope everyone can see that there really isn't a fire hazard on the dike or the river bank.
Really, how there is not a hazard? You don't think a carelessly tossed cigarette could spark a grassfire along the canal say, near KWB, scorching the bank from the dike to the river? There are a lot of places where smoking is hazardous along the river. The only places where the hazard would be minimal is the large rocky bars where river course changes have left river bed exposed and plants have not yet reclaimed it. The number of grass and bark mulch fires have quadrupled from what they were last year (from 45 last year to over 134 this year). There are just too many careless smokers out there. My own father smoked while he fished, but my father also carried a small ash can to dispose of his butts. Unfortunately, the majority of smokers are not so conscientious. Careless smoking has caused millions of dollars of damage in this province every year, it provides absolutely no benefit to anyone, including the user, causes harm to the user and anyone around them, cost taxpayers millions in increased medical and sanitation costs, and yet people still complain when a ban is imposed. This is a voluntary compliance ban, and is meant to educate smokers of the risks as much as it is to reduce the hazard itself. The fact that it is being discussed on public forums would please the city officials that drafted it.
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Some would, but fishing can result in yummy table fare. Smoking results in COPD, Cancer, smelling like crap, empty wallet, etc.
Wait the empty wallet can result from fishing too. ;)
And smelling like roe lol.
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And smelling like roe lol.
I personally don't touch the stuff.
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I personally don't touch the stuff.
How about bait for ocean springs?
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He lets his guide do it for him
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How about bait for ocean springs?
Like Noah said, our guide baited the hooks most of the hooks on my last trip to Alaska. But herring isn't an issue at all.
But that's not why I don't touch the stuff, I catch just fine on flys, spoons, or spinners. I like to keep fishing instead of wasting time adding fresh roe all the time.
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But that's not why I don't touch the stuff, I catch just fine on flys, spoons, or spinners. I like to keep fishing instead of wasting time adding fresh roe all the time.
It's hilarious how full of yourself you are
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It's hilarious how full of yourself you are
I explained why I don't touch the stuff.
Looking at your post history it seems you're full of me too Brendon, just waiting to poke jabs where you can. Don't post often except to troll.
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I think Ill celebrate by going outside right now and lighting up a cigar, opening a beer, and farting loud enough for my neighbor to hear
Let me know where you will be so I can join you. I will bring my own Cubans.
I will not give up my cigars on the flow as it is very much part of the fishing experience for me. Common sense and respect for others go a long way. I have been told by many non-smokers that they actually like getting a whiff from my cigars. :D
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We are so off topic with this thread it is a lol fest.
I asked a fish if it minds the smoke and I got no response.
The common thing I see is this: non-smokers don't smoke and smokers do. Both groups have bad qualities, both can be careless, both could be rude, both litter, seems we should just find ways of dealing with things we do not like in another format. Why is it that if you don't like something "it" has to go away. I myself if I encounter something I do not like I go elsewhere, no problem.
I can go on but this is a fight not worth fighting, from either side.
I do not post this to target any person, I am bias and prone to making mistakes.
I am not your leader, so take what you wish from what I said.
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It's hilarious how full of yourself you are
You have to see him live in person perform at a local fly shop! For a split second I thought I was skating dries wrong for the last 25 years.
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The fact is, for the last how many years has there been a ban on smoking near entrances, ventilation etc? How many of you have seen this enforced to any real degree? If they can't/don't have the man power and/or ability to enforce this in an urban setting I wouldn't worry to much about seeing bylaw officers patrolling the banks of the Vedder or Fraser handing out tickets anytime soon. Like others said, be respectful and pack out what you pack in (weather that's cig butts, discarded line, Tim's cups etc)the same people who litter the banks with butts will more then likely leave anything laying there.
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Here is the reply I just received from the City:
Please find a certified copy of the bylaw in question for your information.
I have attached a map below showing 3 properties outlined in blue to which the attached bylaw’s smoking restrictions would apply pertaining to the Rotary Trail. The fourth property shown on the map below at 45450 Petawawa Road which has been outlined in blue is the Vedder Park and which property would also be subject to this Bylaw.
The bylaw does not apply to City roads with the exception when you are within a given distance of a “Bus Stop” as defined in the Bylaw.
For the section of the Rotary Trail west of Webster Road until you reach the Southern Railway Bridge, this is on Provincial Crown land and as such would not be subject to the Bylaw at this time. It would be our hope that the users will apply the intent of the Bylaw to the whole of the Rotary Trail.
It is not necessary to define the area of the trail in the Bylaw, as the whole of the property containing the trail would be subject to the Bylaw.
The section of the Rotary Trail located on City owned property extends to the “natural boundary” of the Vedder River, which is a boundary determined by a BC land surveyor and which is a mark or feature such as the top of bank that marks the normal extent of the river and where it flows normally during the year. So in a general sense if you are at or above the top of bank of the watercourse, for the sections of the Rotary Trail noted, you would be subject to the Bylaw.
Please note that in the future, should the lands within the Vedder River owned by the Province be subject to a right of occupation by the City, then these lands may be subject to this Bylaw at that time.
If you have further questions, please let me know.
Regards,
Wayne Moseanko
Property Manager
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We need more bans on morons,not smokers.
My kid just seen a fire in the bark mulch at Tim Hortons because of a moron.
I watched a moron throw her lit cigarette out of her window in Mission at the peak of the drought.
Told her that it probably wasn't a very good idea doing that and she basically agreed with me.
I just spent three days golfing and smoked my brains out on the golf course.
The smoke gets put out and the butt goes in my pocket until the end of the day or I find a suitable garbage can.
Go ahead and smoke .Just don't be a moron. :)
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this site edits the word m oron and replaces with respectable and intelligent human being?
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this site edits the word m oron and replaces with respectable and intelligent human being?
.... Lol (intelligent and respectable human being, haha it does) I have a friend who empties out the tobacco from the spent cigarette butt and puts it back into his pack for disposal at a garbage can or like you in a pocket if first choice not practical (aka full)...
I shale not call a person 1 a moron
I shale not call a person 2 a moron
I shale not call a person 3 a moron
BUT I can call them all morons, lol