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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zackattack on October 24, 2016, 09:21:55 PM
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There were 100s of boats all the way up the Fraser today. Gillnetting.
Which opening is this?
I'm trying to understand the fisheries notices..
Maybe somebody can assist me...
When I search by gillnetting in area 29 I can only find a fisheries notice for gillnetting at the Fraser mouth today and thurs... but these boats were all the way up
First nations? Wouldnt there still have been a notice posted for that though?
Thnx
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The fishery notice you read:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=188957&ID=all
Includes Sub areas 29-11 to 17, which is the Tidal Fraser River.
There were two openings today, commercial and First Nations economic openings.
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Ah ok. I missed the "29-17". So the rest were FN then...
Where can I find fisheries notices for them (First Nations)? I searched by all gillnetting not just commericial?
Thnx
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Ah ok. I missed the "29-17". So the rest were FN then...
Where can I find fisheries notices for them (First Nations)? I searched by all gillnetting not just commericial?
Thnx
Search by: Aboriginal: Salmon: Economic opportunities
http://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Regions=&Fisheries=3&Areas=&year=2016&CFID=24423373&CFTOKEN=956a5d237bd94c51-C6DA0214-99C9-DA1D-1CA364297B93AEC0
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Ya beach seines. Saw that, but figured they were on the boats too but I guess it was just commies.
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And some people say we should not be allowed to retain chum salmon in the Chilliwack Vedder River. :P
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this will be know as the great salmon drought of fall 2016 after the boats are done. I believe its primarily a roe fishery.
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Yup and kill the wild coho and steelhead
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Notice says the FN and commercial netters only get 2 days each for chum which, if my memory serves, is shorter than openings in previous years. I suppose DFO could announce more openings as they deem fit.
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I saw some boats releasing fish, and I saw some boats not. Maybe I just couldn't tell from shore but idk because some boats were coming close enough to us bar fishers that we could hit them with a thrown rock. I saw fish hanging by the gills out of the water trapped in the gill net while they worked. Doesn't seem very good on the fish they have to release with "care". If I could've sunk those boats with my mind... lol
They are probably coming close to shore to target the hatchery coho's you are bar fishing for ;D
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Is the impact of the commercial fishery noticeable in upstream rivers such as the Stave, Harrison or Vedder and how long does it take for the impact (if present) to subside in these rivers?
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At least the opening is a little later in the season and most of the Northern Steelhead have passed through.
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At least the opening is a little later in the season and most of the Northern Steelhead have passed through.
Hopefully, it makes you wonder though when the Thompson River steelhead as they say are endangered. That means one would think every steelhead that makes it back is so valuable.
It seems we never learn from our past mistakes as destruction of fish habitat by gravel mining of rivers, lost of habitat,dams, fish farms, over fishing by most sectors and the list goes on.
I talked to a present FOC employee today and she said what the past government did to the Fisheries Act tied up their hands on so many environmental issues.
Maybe this will help change the damage the previous Federal government did to the Fisheries Act, was sent to me recently, some of you may wish to contribute
"I’m sure many of the groups you work with are aware of the just commenced consultations on the review of, and possible changes to the habitat provisions of the Fisheries Act.
But it might be worth sending out the following links to your groups to make sure there is good coverage.
Media release:
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1139379&tp=1
Survey website:
http://www.letstalkfishhabitat.ca/
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And some people say we should not be allowed to retain chum salmon in the Chilliwack Vedder River. :P
This has been a head-scratcher for a while. Especially when the window that allows a fisherman to harvest a nice clean Chum is so short - along comes the fleet to clean out the Fraser and turn off the fresh fish pipeline. Well, at least the nets don't discriminate - they'll scoop up everything in their path - very efficient, they are.
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And some people say we should not be allowed to retain chum salmon in the Chilliwack Vedder River. :P
I’m guessing this post is aimed at me ;)
I’m on record as being against all freshwater Fraser and tributary bound chum fisheries; commercial, which impacts late run coho, Cultus Lake sockeye, and has huge consequences for Thompson and Chilcotin River steelhead and used to be only viable so commies put in enough days to collect unemployment insurance; sports fisheries because in most, (but certainly not all as pictures posted today shows) cases the fish harvested are well past their prime and are far more valuable to the river ecosystem they return to (check out the latest video by Chris of an eagle feeding on a chum carcass, multiply that by several thousand on the Vedder alone – then add the Harrison and Squamish systems and you get my drift); and most of all, by the disgusting so called economic fisheries conducted by our “stewards of the land”, FN of the Sto-Lo Nation, who harvest only the females for their eggs. Considering there is virtually no recent data on Fraser River spawning chum populations, one wonders why these fisheries are sanctioned. Well, no, I guess we all know why …
These Fraser River FN fisheries, as far as I know, are above the mouth of the Stave and Vedder, so have no impact on these two watersheds’ chum stocks. Commercial fisheries and sports fishers however, do.
I'm happy to see some stock assessment being done on Vedder chums this season and hoping it's going to be a part of DFO's salmonid assessments in the future.
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Those are good and troubling points Dave but given that chum roe is a high value product I see no issue with terminal FN fisheries that target it. It's not the only fishery of it's type. Another is the spring herring fishery. I think most of the carcasses - both male and female find buyers who sometime put them to innovative use. I knew a former Commercial fisherman who was in a startup that bought male chum for pennies on the pound and processed them into salmon sausage. That product is still around and I think chum that isn't suitable for human consumption ends up as pet food or fish meal for livestock - much as herring carcasses do.
Ideally every seafood product would be managed and marketed as spotted prawns and halibut have - to promote both abundance and market value but right now that's not the reality.
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And you also raise some good points Ralph. I fully support terminal fisheries but what bothers me most about the FN roe fishery on the Fraser is the lack of data on how many fish are actually there. The Albion test fishery gives an index of total chum abundance, but that includes upstream tributaries as well as main stream Fraser spawners. Perhaps there are enough fish to support this rape of the river, perhaps not.
Also, I do not know what happens to the female chum carcasses after egg removal - perhaps someone can answer that question for me.
The herring roe fishery is a debate for another day but again, I question the wisdom of harvesting a fish that is so important to so many other organisms.
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Chum are important to many organisms. They are nature's way of moving the most amount of biomass from oceans to rivers as fertilizer.
Killing all the does must have an impact on future generations. A Chum roe fishery should be closely managed.
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As expected Stave was slow today, only darks and fish with net marks, went down to take a look at the mouth and there was three boats scooping up right under the CN bridge.
Raping Fraser for dog food and fertilizer, mere few cents per lb at the docks, call it what you want but this is just plain greed and stupidity.
On a bright side I caught a couple cuttroat too, so I guess at least they don't have issues going trough the mesh.
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And you also raise some good points Ralph. I fully support terminal fisheries but what bothers me most about the FN roe fishery on the Fraser is the lack of data on how many fish are actually there. The Albion test fishery gives an index of total chum abundance, but that includes upstream tributaries as well as main stream Fraser spawners. Perhaps there are enough fish to support this rape of the river, perhaps not.
Also, I do not know what happens to the female chum carcasses after egg removal - perhaps someone can answer that question for me.
The herring roe fishery is a debate for another day but again, I question the wisdom of harvesting a fish that is so important to so many other organisms.
chum carcasses and roe are sold to many local restaurants and hotels .
we always have salmon on our menu normally its sockeye - coho - springs now we are on johnson straight keta then its back to a good quality frozen sockeye until fresh sockeye returns.last week we had a few fraser river keta and loads of eggs that we turn into ikura for the year.our supplier normally sells all keta from the skeins harvest thats another reason why deal with them.Maybe im wrong but i
believe that a good number of sport fisherman think all the fish is being wasted but a good amount of it is being use in creative ways by local chefs who are focus on seeing change when it come to using local fish.
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Thanks for the information waterbearer.
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At $15 to $20 per lb of roe, I think the commercial value of a doe chum easily exceeds sockeye.
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At $15 to $20 per lb of roe, I think the commercial value of a doe chum easily exceeds sockeye.
where are you buying chun roe at 15 per lb ?
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where are you buying chun roe at 15 per lb ?
Pretty much the retail price .. Steveston wharf, Berry's Bait, that dude that sells frozen vacuum sealed roe out of his shop in Richmond.
I get it myself but in the end with gas and being relatively selective about it, it pretty much costs about the same.
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Pretty much the retail price .. Steveston wharf, Berry's Bait, that dude that sells frozen vacuum sealed roe out of his shop in Richmond.
I get it myself but in the end with gas and being relatively selective about it, it pretty much costs about the same.
The retail guys figured out the maximum amount money they can extract from you based on how much it costs you to go get chum roe yourself :). Sure it sounds cheap to go get the roe on a river, but once you factor in the gas, and other expenses, you are probably not saving that much.
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The retail guys figured out the maximum amount money they can extract from you based on how much it costs you to go get chum roe yourself :). Sure it sounds cheap to go get the roe on a river, but once you factor in the gas, and other expenses, you are probably not saving that much.
When I live 5 minutes from the river it is easy. ;D Cleanup some garbage and pick up some beer tins left behind on the bank then gas is paid for. Also i fished a car battery out of the river bed the other day which I will get $6 to $8 for. Who would dump an acid filled battery in the river?
I have kept 4 chum this year, some people look down on them but we have BBQ'ed them and are very good if prepared properly. Also remember wild salmon are good for you, FF ones, not so Dave. :P
I do see some chum doe's open up with the roe taken , not so good at all. ::) :( :o
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waterbearer, I am happy to hear the female chum carcasses harvested by FN are not being wasted. Do you know of any local restaurants that are purchasing these fish or if not, where their final destination might be? Please pm me if you prefer.
Chris, we both know chums are only retained by anglers when they can't catch enough coho, or they want the bait. I know, I've done it and I agree, they are fine eating, especially smoked. Let me guess, the 4 you killed were females, no? ;D
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Just to make sure I am reading it right, there hasn't been a commercial opening since the 27 not a Native harvest since the 28 with nothing planned? Shift change so I have a few free hours but not enough time to go to far.
As far as chum go, in my opinion they are the best smoking fish out of any of them. I don't care for smoked coho or springs, and to smoke a sockeye is just a waste. Nothing beats a nice maple smoked chum. Don't care if male or female as long as it is fresh.
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Fraser River mouth commercial seine opening yesterday and today:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=189213&ID=all
No additional commercial gill net openings are expected:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=189196&ID=all
Lower Fraser FN economic openings today:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=189242&ID=all
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waterbearer, I am happy to hear the female chum carcasses harvested by FN are not being wasted. Do you know of any local restaurants that are purchasing these fish or if not, where their final destination might be? Please pm me if you prefer.
Chris, we both know chums are only retained by anglers when they can't catch enough coho, or they want the bait. I know, I've done it and I agree, they are fine eating, especially smoked. Let me guess, the 4 you killed were females, no? ;D
Im not going to name restaurants but I do know a few companies that are working with fn and teaching them the correct way to handle fish behind harvested for roe so they can get top dollar for the carcasses .There is a movement going on but it's going to take time.
salmon roe for 8 dollars per pound of the boats on Granville island.
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thanks for this :) Sounds very promising; please keep us updated as this stuff could change a few minds, mine included.
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And so sad as endangered Thompson River steelhead in the Fraser right now.
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waterbearer, I am happy to hear the female chum carcasses harvested by FN are not being wasted. Do you know of any local restaurants that are purchasing these fish or if not, where their final destination might be? Please pm me if you prefer.
Chris, we both know chums are only retained by anglers when they can't catch enough coho, or they want the bait. I know, I've done it and I agree, they are fine eating, especially smoked. Let me guess, the 4 you killed were females, no? ;D
No, 2 of the 4 were fresh run bucks and as most know when spawning salmon are in the river the males are the best table fare. Chum are very good if you know how to prepare them properly. We have been enjoying chum fillets on the BBQ lately.
Going for retaining #5 tomorrow as coho are not biting my chum roe these days. As I, like to see the float going down and trying to hook the fish I like float fishing the best as does a number of us old timers, The Master, Ernie S etc..
Too bad you have given up angling as you now miss the sounds and sights of being out on the flow as you wade the river at daybreak.
I know you enjoy walking the trail each morning which is great but there is something to me about walking to the river with rod in hand, crisp fall leaves crunching under foot and the thoughts running through ones mind of your quarry somewhere in the cool clear water, it is something I plan to do as long as I can walk along the river banks.
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No, 2 of the 4 were fresh run bucks and as most know when spawning salmon are in the river the males are the best table fare. Chum are very good if you know how to prepare them properly. We have been enjoying chum fillets on the BBQ lately.
Going for retaining #5 tomorrow as coho are not biting my chum roe these days. As I, like to see the float going down and trying to hook the fish I like float fishing the best as does a number of us old timers, The Master, Ernie S etc..
Like you Chris, I like seeing the float go down too.. sometimes I bring a spinning rod out to the Vedder but put it away after like 5 minutes.
I think chum is fine tablefare as well. A chum filet, skinned, baked for 350-400 for 20 minutes, covered with full fat mayo and French onion soup mix or dill is one of my favorite salmon dishes. Goes great with pasta or rice. It's not a very fishy fish, like mackerel, and the texture is denser flesh kinda like tuna steaks..so I'm really surprised so many think it's poor eating because I have a feeling those same people aren't really into fish or strong flavored protein.
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Good on ya Chris :D Sounds like I have offended you .. that was not my intention.
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I've eaten both bucks and does I've caught plus bought sea bright fish. I don't have the confidence to kill fish that are too dark as I think it's a crap shoot unless you know how to pick as some claim they do. My wife whose Grandad was a local angler from after WW1 until he passed away about 25 years ago would screw her face up in disgust if I brought one of those black things home.
I find chum vary in taste far more than any other salmon - most often very mild like pinks but sometimes kind of gamey. They do well when smoked and I've never found they need any special prep though go well with wasabi - it's the only native salmon available for consumption in Japan.
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Good on ya Chris :D Sounds like I have offended you .. that was not my intention.
At 73 I am not offended one bit, being on the political scene both Federal, Provincial and Municipal in many ways and on many groups as president or director for over 40 years, here are some : Fraser Valley Salmon Society, Chilliwack River Action Committee, Chilliwack Vedder Cleanup Society, Chilliwack Minor Hockey, Chilliwack Minor Baseball, Chilliwack Rec Hockey League, Chilliwack Softball Association, Chilliwack Rec Softball League, Sportsfishing Defense Alliance, Chilliwack Motorsport Awareness, Wild Salmon Defenders, Fraser Valley Illegal Dumping Alliance, Freelance Global TV, Chilliwack Progress running racehorses at Hasting Park, working for 35 years and married for 51 and of course Fishing With Rod.
I have heard and seen a great deal over these years so a few remarks on FWR on a few subjects roll off me like water off a duck's back.
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Pretty much the retail price .. Steveston wharf, Berry's Bait, that dude that sells frozen vacuum sealed roe out of his shop in Richmond.
I get it myself but in the end with gas and being relatively selective about it, it pretty much costs about the same.
The retail guys figured out the maximum amount money they can extract from you based on how much it costs you to go get chum roe yourself :). Sure it sounds cheap to go get the roe on a river, but once you factor in the gas, and other expenses, you are probably not saving that much.
Ya I think that was precisely what he was saying...
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No, 2 of the 4 were fresh run bucks and as most know when spawning salmon are in the river the males are the best table fare. Chum are very good if you know how to prepare them properly. We have been enjoying chum fillets on the BBQ lately.
Glad to see folks speaking up as to how good Chum can be on the BBQ and not only good for the smoker or their dogs. Sadly, I suspect some of this negativity this has come about because of the need to harvest for roe only ..... Sure they are excellent fare for the smoker, but as mentioned if you get a reasonably fresh fish with a white or light coloured belly, cook a nice thick fillet with a dill and mayo dressing on the BBQ and you will be surprised at how damn good it is. Last year I asked diner guests to try Coho and Chum caught on the same day with the same dressing and was surprised to find that 4/5 preferred the thicker texture and less fishy flavour of the Chum, even when they knew what they were eating.
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Glad to see folks speaking up as to how good Chum can be on the BBQ and not only good for the smoker or their dogs. Sadly, I suspect some of this negativity this has come about because of the need to harvest for roe only ..... Sure they are excellent fare for the smoker, but as mentioned if you get a reasonably fresh fish with a white or light coloured belly, cook a nice thick fillet with a dill and mayo dressing on the BBQ and you will be surprised at how damn good it is. Last year I asked diner guests to try Coho and Chum caught on the same day with the same dressing and was surprised to find that 4/5 preferred the thicker texture and less fishy flavour of the Chum, even when they knew what they were eating.
Yep. ;D ;D
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Chum is awesome especially when it comes to marinades and such. Personally I like to cover it with miso paste and add a dash of vodka, let it sit over night in the fridge and then bake it in the over or grill it over the bbq. Pan fried I will sometimes just put dill, lemon and butter or something weird like zesty salad dressing. Maybe they get there bad rep cause some people have brought home some really old fish that most likely have spawned already and the meat was probably all soft. Gotta press down firmly on a fishes flesh to make sure it bounces straight back up, still got LOTS of slime and even a few sea lice are generally my indicators of a good table fish. Seen a couple guys get clean looking fish but when they opened them up all the eggs were singles and the meat was fairly pale.
Chum are awesome fighters especially when they are fresh from the ocean, like Chris and Animal Chin said that watching the float go down is fun especially when there is a big brute at the end of the line.
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Found this article on VancouverSun today:
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/chum-salmon-beat-the-odds-return-to-metro-vancouver-streams
Definitely a banner year for Chum return to the south coast streams.
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A buddy and I went out and fished Saturday morning in a nice secluded spot of Frog water in Richmond - until some really gross stench chased us off in favour of #3 and Garry Point. Had some nice sized risers around but nothing landed.
Took a stroll over to the docks and picked up 5 huge fresh Chums and some roe for the Cap. Spent the rest of the day Saturday cleaning, de-boning, filleting and prepping these beasts. $10 a fish - averaging around 12 lbs with about 7.5 lbs of meat per fish after prepping - comes out to less than $1.50 per pound, and that is pretty awesome for freshies. The nice lady gave me a good deal on roe as I bought some fish, so I'm happy. Cured up a whack of Pro-Cured and some plain Boraxed - ready to rock the Cap.
Battered, seasoned and fried a bunch of filets - then cooled and vacuum-sealed them for quick meals. Did up a good sized batch of Indian Candy and Chili-Lime jerky and sealed those up for later. Have plenty of fillets I can cook up whenever also. I'm a salmon fanatic and love to eat local and what is running whenever I can - but my luck fishing at "Meat" rivers is pretty slim, so don't mind buying fish when I need to. Chums - like Pinks - are amazing fish to eat if you get good ones and know how to prepare them.
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Has anyone else noticed the amount of chum this year that have a lesion between the adipose and dorsal fins? Usually if the fish is fresh it's got quite a few sea lice attached on the lesion as well. Can't be net marks because there is no damage ahead of the dorsal on the thickest spot of the fish, aswell it's usually partially healed with the lice on it. Have not noticed it on the Chinook or coho I have caught this year. I've noticed it on 3 different rivers.
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Has anyone else noticed the amount of chum this year that have a lesion between the adipose and dorsal fins? Usually if the fish is fresh it's got quite a few sea lice attached on the lesion as well. Can't be net marks because there is no damage ahead of the dorsal on the thickest spot of the fish, aswell it's usually partially healed with the lice on it. Have not noticed it on the Chinook or coho I have caught this year. I've noticed it on 3 different rivers.
I've noticed those on other fish in past years when the lamprey problem was bad. They look like spots where the lampreys hang on and wear off the scales. I think I read a few years ago about this causing a problem for the commercial sockeye fishery at the Fraser mouth because it made the fish less marketable.
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FN Opening in the Fraser today:
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=189425&ID=all
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And tomorrow (Nov 5)
http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=189476&ID=all
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Has anyone else noticed the amount of chum this year that have a lesion between the adipose and dorsal fins? Usually if the fish is fresh it's got quite a few sea lice attached on the lesion as well. Can't be net marks because there is no damage ahead of the dorsal on the thickest spot of the fish, aswell it's usually partially healed with the lice on it. Have not noticed it on the Chinook or coho I have caught this year. I've noticed it on 3 different rivers.
Ive noticed sea lice in that same area on some chum i caught yesterday. Some had lice and signs of irritation there and others just had some marks.