Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: KarateKick on September 11, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
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I am trying to learn the factors to consider when choosing a rod for tossing lures from the beach to catch coho (or pinks or flounder).
If you had these, which one would you bring for that purpose?
Option A:
Length = 9'
Action = Fast
Power = Medium Heavy
Line wt = 8 - 12 lb
Lure wt = 3/8 - 3/4 oz
Option B:
Length = 9'6"
Action = Fast
Power = Medium
Line wt = 8 - 12 lb
Lure wt = 3/8 - 3/4 oz
Option C:
Length = 10'
Action = Slow
Power = Medium
Line wt = 8 - 17 lb
Lure wt = 1/4 - 1 oz
Thank you!
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Option B
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I'm a sucker for slow rods but most will go with B.
The faster the action, the quicker the rod will return to its resting position.
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Option B , but i would prefer a longer rod for the beach
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'B' for me
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I would also go with B.
Something like the Fenwick MODEL # HMX96M-MFS-2.
A medium power may be a little over powerful for beech coho say off Ambleside, but it will provide the flexibility to catch other larger fish if needed, say if you happened to hook into a smallish chinook. :)
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Honestly, I've been eyeing Riebers spinning rod for sale, but don't need another. It's a steal price for a nice rod and decent reel. The rod is worth double his asking price alone.
In raging rivers it is no doubt too light, but from shore fisheries like the beach or Fraser it is fine.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=41336.0
That would be Option D:
Length = 10'6"
Action = Slow
Power = Light
Line wt = 4 - 6 lb
Lure wt = 1/32 - 1/4 oz
Actually that looks like an entirely lighter category than the 8+ lb line models I've listed earlier.
Which of the options will allow you to cast the longest distance?
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The best options/combination for casting the greatest distance is longest rod, largest weight of terminal gear, a good reel and most importantly the lightest best quality braid you can afford. The use of braid over mono will give you the most significant improvement in casting distance. To achieve the greatest distance when targeting coho under 10 lbs I would use 15 lbs braid and a bumper of 8-12 mono/fluoro depending on location, conditions and your skills as an angler.
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8'6 - 9'6
Medium power
Fast action
3/8-3/4 lure
8-12lb rating
I usually run 8 or 10lb mono straight to a 1/4 or 3/8oz lure
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The best options/combination for casting the greatest distance is longest rod, largest weight of terminal gear, a good reel and most importantly the lightest best quality braid you can afford. The use of braid over mono will give you the most significant improvement in casting distance. To achieve the greatest distance when targeting coho under 10 lbs I would use 15 lbs braid and a bumper of 8-12 mono/fluoro depending on location, conditions and your skills as an angler.
Thank you for the detailed explanation. Does the "largest weight of terminal gear" require just a heavier power in the rod, or does the fast/slow action matter as well?
I know I'm asking a lot of questions and not learning very fast. I am not the sharpest hook in the tackle box.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. Does the "largest weight of terminal gear" require just a heavier power in the rod, or does the fast/slow action matter as well?
I know I'm asking a lot of questions and not learning very fast. I am not the sharpest hook in the tackle box.
Honestly, don't get too worked up about the rod specs. You want something 9 feet or close to that, with enough backbone to bring in your targeted species without overstressing the fish too much. I like option B, followed by option A. But either will do, and another rod with specs close to these rods will be fine as well.
I like lighter spinning rods for tossing lures for pinks and coho as they cast lighter lures better (farther) and you get a more enjoyable fight out of the fish.
I have 2 spinning rods I use for this purpose. Both 9 feet. One is a medium-light Shimano Clairus, the other a medium heavy Shimano Convergence. I use the Clairus for tossing small spoons and spinners in slow moving water. The other I use for bigger lures in faster water and twitching jigs.
As for line one reel has 20lb brain, Suffix 832. It's awesome! You get an excellent feel for the action of the lure. I typically run the braid to a swivel and then a 3ish foot mono leader, typically 12lb test.
My other reel is just straight mono. 12lb Berkley XL. It's great as a mainline on spinning reels. Don't get the XT that's more for leaders for gear fishing. It will cast like crap if you use it as mainline on a spinning reel.
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I'D TAKE OPTION B
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Honestly, don't get too worked up about the rod specs. You want something 9 feet or close to that, with enough backbone to bring in your targeted species without overstressing the fish too much. I like option B, followed by option A. But either will do, and another rod with specs close to these rods will be fine as well.
Thank you so much!
I am finding the Shakespeare Wild Series very attractive at around $50 CAD:
http://www.shakespeare-fishing.com/shakespeare-rods-spinning-rods/shakespeare-wild-series-rods-spinning/1365091.html
WSSP862M:
Length = 8'6"
Action = TBD
Power = Medium
Line wt = 8 - 14 lb
Lure wt = 1/4-1/2
WSSP92ML:
Length = 9'
Action = TBD
Power = Medium Light
Line wt = 6 - 12 lb
Lure wt = 1/4-1/2
WSSP92L:
Length = 9'
Action = TBD
Power = Light
Line wt = 4 - 10
Lure wt = 1/8-1/2
For an even lower cost, I just found two South Bend Black Beauty rods for $35 CAD at Walmart:
http://www.south-bend.com/products/rods/big-watersurf/black-beauty-salmonsteelhd
BBSS-862MSP:
Length = 8'6"
Action = TBD
Power = Medium
Line wt = 8 - 12 lb
Lure wt = 3/8 - 1.5 oz
BBSS-962LSP
Length = 9'6"
Action = TBD
Power = Light
Line wt = 4 - 10 lb
Lure wt = 1/32 - 1/2 oz
I also found an Eagle Claw Feather Light rod for $25 USD on the American Cabelas site:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Eagle-Claw-Featherlight-Spinning-Rods/739708.uts
FL209-90:
Length = 9'
Action = TBD
Power = Medium Light
Line wt = 4 - 8 lb
Lure wt = 1/16 - 1/2 oz
Can anyone tell me what is the risk of buying such low-cost rods? Do they just break easily or would you expect a problem with performance as well?
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I've fished a number of Shakespeare rods and think they are the best bang for your buck rods! That said, I don't know their longer spinning rod options, for the beach I would recommend a longer rod (9-11 feet) with a Medium power.
2 years ago I bought a 10 foot "Cabela's Fish Eagle 50 Salmon/Steelhead Spinning Rod" specifically for the beach and it's been exceptional! Rod specs are below. I'm not sure Cabela's still sell them, but gives you another idea.
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/65444
Model: FE50SS1004-2
Length: 10'
Action: Fast
Lure Weight: 3/8 - 1
Power: M
Line Weight: 8 - 15
Pieces: 2
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Its easy to bomb casts farther than the guys with 10' rods with a 6'6 walmart special. Load it up to the brim with light braid and you dont need a long rod.
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2 years ago I bought a 10 foot "Cabela's Fish Eagle 50 Salmon/Steelhead Spinning Rod" specifically for the beach and it's been exceptional! Rod specs are below. I'm not sure Cabela's still sell them, but gives you another idea.
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/65444
Model: FE50SS1004-2
Length: 10'
Action: Fast
Lure Weight: 3/8 - 1
Power: M
Line Weight: 8 - 15
Pieces: 2
I see something that looks very similar, numbered FE54SS1004:
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/93094/
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I've fished a number of Shakespeare rods and think they are the best bang for your buck rods! That said, I don't know their longer spinning rod options, for the beach I would recommend a longer rod (9-11 feet) with a Medium power.
I think you're right and I like the Wild Series, but for some reason no one around here sells just the Wild Series rod.
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I've fished a number of Shakespeare rods and think they are the best bang for your buck rods! That said, I don't know their longer spinning rod options, for the beach I would recommend a longer rod (9-11 feet) with a Medium power.
2 years ago I bought a 10 foot "Cabela's Fish Eagle 50 Salmon/Steelhead Spinning Rod" specifically for the beach and it's been exceptional! Rod specs are below. I'm not sure Cabela's still sell them, but gives you another idea.
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/65444
Model: FE50SS1004-2
Length: 10'
Action: Fast
Lure Weight: 3/8 - 1
Power: M
Line Weight: 8 - 15
Pieces: 2
I 2nd the Fish Eagle 50 , i have the same rod , very happy with it , as far as buying a 6'6 Walmart special , why bother
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For Coho I personally enjoy going a bit lighter than most - Most Coho are in the 3-6lb range anyway, rarely you get into a 10lb fish, and even when you do you can still land it fine with a lighter rod. Honestly, I've been eyeing Riebers spinning rod for sale, but don't need another. It's a steal price for a nice rod and decent reel. The rod is worth double his asking price alone.
In raging rivers it is no doubt too light, but from shore fisheries like the beach or Fraser it is fine.
I use a Fenwick HMX 2-6lb 9ft moderate-fast action spinning rod for all my Coho fishing. It's worked fine for 4 years now :). Landed the occasional chum with it too.. but it'll be bent right over, lol.
I've done some casting practice on a friend's 9' rods. I couldn't cast very far with a 9' Medium Light 4-8 lb Eagle Claw Feather Light (with both smallish and biggish lures), but did much better with a 9' Medium Light 6-12 lb Shakespeare Wild. That made me nervous about rods with lighter line ratings, and got me looking at 8+ lb rods.
The reading I've done gives me the opposite view of what I've experienced. Everyone says the lighter rods give more distance. I wonder if the frustration with the Eagle Claw is due more to the action rather than the power of the rod? Maybe it's a slower rod and works like a weaker spring?
Thank you everyone for all your help.
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I see something that looks very similar, numbered FE54SS1004:
http://www.cabelas.ca/product/93094/
Yes, that looks like the newer model. I think the FE54SS1004 rod would be perfect for your beach fishing requirements.
Pair it up with a saltwater rated spinning reel (recommend size 2500-3500 too heavy and casting gets exhausting), and some braided line (20 lb to 30 lb) and you're good to go!