Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jamier on October 24, 2024, 01:03:55 PM
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Here we go again.
What are the chances DFO puts out a fishery notice for Tidal Fraser Coho?
I see chum in the Fraser opens Oct 31. Should the Coho fishery also be open the same day?
Also, I have never seen anyone really target Chum in the Tidal Fraser.
I know Rodney ususally put's out a reminder to his contacts at Fisheries about a notice regarding this fishery.
Would be nice, peaceful and quit fishery.
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I was wondering the same, if they open for chum why is hatchery coho not open?
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Here we go again.
What are the chances DFO puts out a fishery notice for Tidal Fraser Coho?
I see chum in the Fraser opens Oct 31. Should the Coho fishery also be open the same day?
Also, I have never seen anyone really target Chum in the Tidal Fraser.
I know Rodney ususally put's out a reminder to his contacts at Fisheries about a notice regarding this fishery.
Would be nice, peaceful and quit fishery.
I was wondering the same, if they open for chum why is hatchery coho not open?
At this point of the game with all the BS politics going on....unless there is an DFO officer standing right beside me, I am bonking any chrome hatchery coho that hits the beach. If the regs say no fishing for salmon, then I would respect that, but if its open for at least any one type of salmon and I land a bright hatchery coho....its' coming home.
There is absolutely no justified reason to be forced to release a hatchery coho.
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At this point of the game with all the BS politics going on....unless there is an DFO officer standing right beside me, I am bonking any chrome hatchery coho that hits the beach. If the regs say no fishing for salmon, then I would respect that, but if its open for at least any one type of salmon and I land a bright hatchery coho....its' coming home.
There is absolutely no justified reason to be forced to release a hatchery coho.
cool!
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Remember all these closures come the next federal election.
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I can only hope that that the average angler can find a host of other reasons to vote out the current clown(s). Recreational angling opportunities aside. We’re in big trouble.
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If everyone who wants hatchery coho opened in the Fraser concurrent with chum openings, emails to DFO to that effect are more likely to get that. Waiting for the next election and a change in Government will not.
Really what you want makes perfect sense. Possible DFO hasn't thought about it.
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You know, I really wonder what these people are doing for 40 hours a week. Doesn't take long to publish a fishery notice that is 96% the same as all the other ones they've posted before.. They surely aren't thinking hard about the decisions they are making...
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You know, I really wonder what these people are doing for 40 hours a week. Doesn't take long to publish a fishery notice that is 96% the same as all the other ones they've posted before.. They surely aren't thinking hard about the decisions they are making...
go work there. You may be surprised.
BTW the sort of crap you wrote above does nothing to get the opening on coho people are asking for.
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go work there. You may be surprised.
BTW the sort of crap you wrote above does nothing to get the opening on coho people are asking for.
Darko is right. DFO white collar incompetents have proven their uselessness over and over again for decades now.
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I can only hope that that the average angler can find a host of other reasons to vote out the current clown(s). Recreational angling opportunities aside. We’re in big trouble.
Changing the government isn't going to make one iota of difference. Look how the cod fishery in Atlanta Canada was managed by both the Conservative and Liberal governments.
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Ralph, when you say email DFO, do you have a good contact or does anyone else have a good contact that we can email.
It would be nice to email the person or dept who puts these notices out.
Just a gentle reminder to them is maybe all they need and all we need.
Rodney, any contact on your list that might help?
Cheers
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Hatchery coho salmon opportunities have been announced.
Tidal: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=310491&ID=all
Non-tidal: https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=310499&ID=all
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Ah! They responded to my email of this morning!
LOL!
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Thanks Rodney, for the update.
Thanks Ralph for the PM.
No need to draft that email.
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Ah! They responded to my email of this morning!
LOL!
come on Ralph, we all know they read MY comment criticizing them and announced the opening immediately. ;D
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How nice of DFO to open the Fraser after the bulk of the run have moved through.
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Man, tough crowd.
I’m glad it opened and SuperBobby is spared from committing an act of civil disobedience when no one is watching.
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Ah! They responded to my email of this morning!
LOL!
Thanks Ralph. You are amazing!
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lol... email has been working overtime since last week.
(https://i.imgur.com/aZzJDOL.jpeg)
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For reference, non-tidal Fraser opened Nov 15 last year.
Thanks for your behind the scenes work, Rod!
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Thanks Clarki.
My biggest beef when it comes to the current approach on the Lower Fraser coho opportunities is that we have to push and push to have that opening announced. Communication with resource management was great (new managers) last week and I was feeling energetic about it again, but as I dug more into it, questioning why chum opportunities are given while coho opportunities were not, it just stopped a few days ago
What I really want to see is as soon as that IFS window closes, we have a permanent opening dates given way in advance. There's no reason chum abundance should determine whether that coho fishery is a go or not in November. We have terminal coho fisheries when chum salmon is closed, what makes the Fraser different unless there are other factors which we are not being told. Advance opening dates would give anglers hope, make planning much easier, and make education much easier too...
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And while we are on this topic, something I discovered last night was kind of troubling and amusing lol.
On Region 2's salmon regs, someone had taken out the following two clauses:
The daily limit for all species of Pacific salmon from tidal and fresh waters combined is 4. Individual species limits also apply.
The possession limit for all salmon from all waters is twice the daily limit. You cannot possess more than 8.
So I guess there isn't an aggregated daily limit for salmon and possession limit anymore? ;D
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And while we are on this topic, something I discovered last night was kind of troubling and amusing lol.
On Region 2's salmon regs, someone had taken out the following two clauses:
The daily limit for all species of Pacific salmon from tidal and fresh waters combined is 4. Individual species limits also apply.
The possession limit for all salmon from all waters is twice the daily limit. You cannot possess more than 8.
So I guess there isn't an aggregated daily limit for salmon and possession limit anymore? ;D
I had a phone discussion with an FO on these lines many years ago - the 1st year the daily limit was reduced from 4 to 2 for no apparent reason. Since the limit of salmon was 4 while the limit on pinks per stream was 2 was it possible to combine limits from 2 streams and keep 4? Absolutely not! I was told the limit for pinks in non-tidal water was 2 no if ands or buts.
I have also heard that sometimes these limits are set based on whatever the limit was the last time an opening occurred. A manager tells a clerk to pull the last relevant Fisheries Notice, give it a new number and date and publish it So if it was 4 years ago it matters not that the expected run size is double or more than the previous opening.
A similar nonsensical regulation is the trout fishing closure on the Fraser above Mission until Nov 15th yet trout are open below Mission with a possession limit for hatchery trout - that largely don't exist. In Region 2 there is a possession limit for hatchery trout in streams of 2 for something that mostly does not exist (excepting maybe the Chilliwack River) since the Province suspended stocking hatchery trout into streams in 2019. I have had stream side discussions with people who saw kill wild cutthroat which they then argued they were allowed to keep since it must be a hatchery fish ... with an intact adipose fin.
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what makes the Fraser different unless there are other factors which we are not being told.
conflict on the river among user groups, I'm sure you have read all the feedback to dfo from the IFMP
I said my peace about this when it came to pinks. It is what it is
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A similar nonsensical regulation is the trout fishing closure on the Fraser above Mission until Nov 15th yet trout are open below Mission with a possession limit for hatchery trout - that largely don't exist. In Region 2 there is a possession limit for hatchery trout in streams of 2 for something that mostly does not exist (excepting maybe the Chilliwack River) since the Province suspended stocking hatchery trout into streams in 2019. I have had stream side discussions with people who saw kill wild cutthroat which they then argued they were allowed to keep since it must be a hatchery fish ... with an intact adipose fin.
from previous discussions with the province, the retention of hatchery trout while fishing streams in region 2 now is to remove residualized steelhead smolts or so I was told.
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from previous discussions with the province, the retention of hatchery trout while fishing streams in region 2 now is to remove residualized steelhead smolts or so I was told.
Yes and that's why I specifically mentioned the Chilliwack River that has specific regs for retention of hatchery trout on that water. The only other stream with a similar specific reg is the Coquitlam which has received no stockings of trout or steelhead for at least 20 years. FWIW checking GofishBC triploid female rainbows were stocked from about '95 to 2001. Those fish would all be caught or died naturally long ago. Why is that reg still there?
Personally I have rarely encountered so called 'residualized' steelhead smolts on streams that receive such stocks other than the Chilliwack. For streams like the Harrison, Stave and the Alouette I could count the total on the fingers of one hand in 20+ years of fishing. It's a silly reg that encourages poaching of wild cutthroat. All that is needed is exceptions for specific streams where there is an issue with holdover hatchery steelhead smolts.
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And while we are on this topic, something I discovered last night was kind of troubling and amusing lol.
On Region 2's salmon regs, someone had taken out the following two clauses:
The daily limit for all species of Pacific salmon from tidal and fresh waters combined is 4. Individual species limits also apply.
The possession limit for all salmon from all waters is twice the daily limit. You cannot possess more than 8.
So I guess there isn't an aggregated daily limit for salmon and possession limit anymore? ;D
In regards to this I did message a dfo officer and they got back to me that limits and possession quotas are still in effect 4/8
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I had a phone discussion with an FO on these lines many years ago - the 1st year the daily limit was reduced from 4 to 2 for no apparent reason. Since the limit of salmon was 4 while the limit on pinks per stream was 2 was it possible to combine limits from 2 streams and keep 4? Absolutely not! I was told the limit for pinks in non-tidal water was 2 no if ands or buts.
Could that have been a one off discussion with a specific individual? Presumably that's not the interpretation you'd get if you asked now, but obviously that's never been a thing. The closest would be the Squamish where you are only allowed 1 coho from the entire watershed (Squam, Mamq, Cheak etc) but that just shows its the exception and not the rule...
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Could that have been a one off discussion with a specific individual? Presumably that's not the interpretation you'd get if you asked now, but obviously that's never been a thing. The closest would be the Squamish where you are only allowed 1 coho from the entire watershed (Squam, Mamq, Cheak etc) but that just shows its the exception and not the rule...
It was. I called a DFO office and they had an FO call me back. I left it at that.
So has anyone been fishing on the Lower Fraser since it's been open 3 days? I have been wondering about water clarity. I went over at Mission and Alex Fraser a few days ago and the river looked brown.
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It's not open yet.
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It was. I called a DFO office and they had an FO call me back. I left it at that.
So has anyone been fishing on the Lower Fraser since it's been open 3 days? I have been wondering about water clarity. I went over at Mission and Alex Fraser a few days ago and the river looked brown.
It opens Oct 31st right? I didnt check them out but will toss a spoon anyway since its close to my place
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It's not open yet.
well Glad I asked!
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Open Oct 31 Below Port Mann.
Open Nov 2 Below Mission Bridge.
I'll be heading out Nov 2.
Looking forward to it.
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I'll be going out with my kid. He's too young to fish on the tributaries, but this allows him to sit in a camping chair and watch the rod in the holder and stay safe on the bank. My expectations are not high as it is very late in the season for the coho run on the Fraser, but this will satisfy his want to go fishing for salmon and some quality time together.
I grew up bar fishing the lower fraser in the early 90's and remember having a blast, the bites were not frequent but spending time on the bar with my uncle and other regulars telling stories was great.
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I grew up bar fishing the lower fraser in the early 90's and remember having a blast, the bites were not frequent but spending time on the bar with my uncle and other regulars telling stories was great.
Early 80s for myself. The best of times. Still hard to believe it’s been taken away.
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for everyone's attention:
The chum and coho openings have been amended to disallow the use of bait when fishing for salmon in the non-tidal section of the Fraser river from Mission Bridge up to Hope;
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=310875&ID=all
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=310881&ID=all
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Early 80s for myself. The best of times. Still hard to believe it’s been taken away.
60s pour moi. People still do it. My wife's grandfather & grandmother kept a trailer at Duncan Bar from late Sept into Nov. We'd visit them and fish. I took her up there a year or 2 ago when we went for a drive to Fort Langley. People were bar fishing with roe just like we did for cohoe. Just tell the FO you are fishing for sturgeon.
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So managed to get a day on the Fraser today.
First couple of weeks in November can be pretty good in the Tidal.
Headed to the river this morning and was on the river by 6:45 new time.
Got set up and sat and waited for that first bite.
First bite didn't come till 10:30. And I missed it.
A short time later I had another bite, solid hook set. Landed a 3-4ft Sturgeon.
Then it was quiet again till 12:30. A flurry of bites, one after another but was not able to hook up.
Then for the next couple of hours I landed 3 wild coho and two more Sturgeon that broke me off.
Along with a number of misses.
I really thought I was going to get skunked today. But things really turned around.
I will be back out again Tuesday giving it a go.
I will give the Vedder a couple of days to get back into shape after the storm.