Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: jettabambino on May 11, 2005, 10:42:57 PM
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hey guys and dolls...
Just wondering what the hell is up with all the people who go fishing and smoke weed. I dont understand why people do this. It slows down your reaction time and also makes the whole place impairs. I am so sick of going fishing and getting stoned off the guy fishing next to me. Why do they do it ..Its dangerous when your fishing one slip and your a goner sometimes... :o stay off the week while your fishing
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i meant weed not week...
sorry ;D
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I totally agree. I guess they think it's "harmless".
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lololololol "getting stone from the guy smoking it next to you" lmao ;D ;D ;D
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lololololol "getting stone from the guy smoking it next to you" lmao ;D ;D ;D
I was laughing at that as well. You cant get stoned from being next to it give me a break. Although I dont smoke that stuff I dont disagree with it. If you dont like it than move. Do you own the air we breathe? Do you own the land that you are fishing on? Its different if they are drinking and driving or drinking and leaving their beer cans all over the place but if they are smoking weed I dont see any harm in it. Being a decendent of the Netherlands and knowing their economy and their laws we could learn allot from them since their crime rate is not near what ours is. We live in BC pot capital of the world you should be used to it by now. I guess you have never been to a good rock concert than.....
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How'd u escape from the circus? Do I know you?
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Yup, it's getting pathetic. Last summer I saw quite a bit of that. I've seen drunk/stoned guys peeing into rivers, throwing lawnchairs, throwing rocks, mouthing off to other fishermen, and getting into fights. Seems like it's getting worse every year.
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i am not saying its bad to smoke it or i own the river or ground that i am fishing on.. but what i am saying is if it discomforts others then why do it... not to mention if your fishing you should be somewhat funtional..... and yes i have been to a rock concert and there is a place and time for it all my friend....
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I don't agree with two of the statements.
If you dont like it than move. Do you own the air we breathe?
Yes, it is a free country, and a great one too. However, if one's action interferes with someone else's right, why should this someone else move away? If your neighbor starts playing loud music, do you simply move away because you do not like it? If you arrive at your favorite fishing spot at first light, ten minutes later someone pops out with a joint, puffing away into your air, would you simply move away if the fish are biting?
We live in BC pot capital of the world you should be used to it by now.
This one is especially troubling in my mind. If a good number of people are conducting illegal activities, we should just get used to it and let them be? Whether you agree or disagree with the action, it is after all, still illegal in this country.
That kind of thinking sets a dangerous trend among the youth (don't meant to sound old... lol). It might not be the most dangerous substance on the planet, it is still harmful to you. The tobacco-like substance can lead to the same respiratory problems that cigarette smokers get. THC in marijuana increases heartrate, blood pressure, lowers body temperature, changes one's perception on time and place, affects one's taste, vision, hearing and smell. Too much of it lead to loss of cordination, memory, development of anxiety and paranoia. That does not sound fun at all. ;) Respiratory diseases from smoking it include daily cough and phlegm, chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds.
Others might not get stoned when standing around a marijuana smoker, the second-hand smoke isn't exactly good for you....
Oh ya, and it stinks.
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I don't agree with two of the statements.
If you dont like it than move. Do you own the air we breathe?
Yes, it is a free country, and a great one too. However, if one's action interferes with someone else's right, why should this someone else move away? If your neighbor starts playing loud music, do you simply move away because you do not like it? If you arrive at your favorite fishing spot at first light, ten minutes later someone pops out with a joint, puffing away into your air, would you simply move away if the fish are biting?
We live in BC pot capital of the world you should be used to it by now.
This one is especially troubling in my mind. If a good number of people are conducting illegal activities, we should just get used to it and let them be? Whether you agree or disagree with the action, it is after all, still illegal in this country.
That kind of thinking sets a dangerous trend among the youth (don't meant to sound old... lol). It might not be the most dangerous substance on the planet, it is still harmful to you. The tobacco-like substance can lead to the same respiratory problems that cigarette smokers get. THC in marijuana increases heartrate, blood pressure, lowers body temperature, changes one's perception on time and place, affects one's taste, vision, hearing and smell. Too much of it lead to loss of cordination, memory, development of anxiety and paranoia. That does not sound fun at all. ;) Respiratory diseases from smoking it include daily cough and phlegm, chronic bronchitis, and more frequent chest colds.
Others might not get stoned when standing around a marijuana smoker, the second-hand smoke isn't exactly good for you....
Oh ya, and it stinks.
Since we're talking about rights here, here's an interesting thought. If someone chooses to smoke up/drink beer/etc in front of another person, who decided that the offended person should be the one with the "right" to have the person committing the offence to move? Or, what if the smoker/beer drinker/etc person was in the productive spot first? Does the offended person have the right to ask the offender to move in this instance? As an ex-smoker of cigarettes, I am constantly amazed at how the rights of non smokers have taken precedence over the rights of smokers. I understand that yes, there are health issues involved for non smokers exposed to second hand smoke, however it is a legally sanctioned activity but as it is topically popular, let's trash the smokers and take away their rights to smoke because it's far more politically attractive than say, encouraging people to quit drinking. Look at the total social and medical costs (broken families, car accidents, court time for DUI charges, insurance costs etc) of drinking. Way higher, I bet. Let's get everyone to quit drinking. Right, they tried that in the US. It was called Prohibition. Miserable failure, that.
Now, I understand that pot is illegal and that drinking in a public place also qualifies as such. But then again, so is peeing outside and I've seen lots of fisherman doing that (as well as non fishermen) because there are no handy toilets nearby. Raise your hands everyone: Who has peed outside at least once in your life? (my hand is raised). If my opinion is that peeing outside is offensive, I want anyone who has to pee to pack up your stuff, hike out and then drive to the nearest public washroom and do your business there and then come back and resume fishing. It's my right because you've offended me and it's the law. And why should I have to put up offensive behavior like that? Besides, I'm sure the urinic acid will have a negative impact on the environment too, so I'm saving nature at the same time. So who here is going to observe my right to fish in a pee free zone, if you have to go bad?
Okay, the issue of people conducting illegal activities and the attitude that we should simply get used to it does not sit well with me either. However, it does seem to be the attitude of most of the politicians who run this country as evidenced by the number of judges' lenient to non existant sentencing they elect to impose. That doesn't make it right, I'm simply stating a fact.
Today's youth lives in a very complex world. I understand that. Here's a thought. Who are any of us to say what today's youth should be thinking? What gives us the right to impose our moral standards on young and impressionable minds? Going back to the anti smoking scenario. If you look at the ads for antismoking that are aimed at youths, the message is different, but the technique is the same used by tobacco companies targeting their markets (which does include youths, I'm sure). Poke fun at smokers/tobaco companies. Back in the day, the tobacco companies used to poke fun at non smokers by not portraying them as cool. Not saying right or wrong, just asking do the means justify the ends?
Rod, you wrote the effects of pot are:THC in marijuana increases heartrate, blood pressure, lowers body temperature, changes one's perception on time and place, affects one's taste, vision, hearing and smell. Too much of it lead to loss of cordination, memory, development of anxiety and paranoia." These are the same physical characteristics of being drunk. Not a good thing in either case, I'm sure plus you get the added bonus of lung/respiratory problems if you have prolonged exposure. Oh yeah, you have to actually experience it for awhile before you start to suffer the daily phelgm, chronic bronchitis etc.
Darn, I just had another thought. Pollution from our cars are also going to give us these same respiratory issues. Don't believe me? Just ask anyone with a compromised respiratory system who lives out in the Fraser Valley what it's like in the middle of a hot stagnant summer day. And some of these people never smoked! Even people who don't have respiratory problems feel it. That's why they have that smog alert thing as part of the weather forecast. Maybe we should give up driving our cars so they won't have to go through that every summer too. Okay, raise your hands everyone. Who's going to give up driving ppermanently so that people who live out in the Fraser Valley will be able to breathe properly on hot stagnant summer days? What if they ask you to? Would you? What if they say please? Aren't their rights being compromised by our actions? Aren't they entitled to breathe freely too, especially if they ask?
The long winded point I'm trying to make here is that everyone has rights. And rights get infringed upon by other rights. But no one right, except as decided in statute or case law should be allowed to take precedence over another right. I understand possession of pot is illegal but I don't believe the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act specifically states that smoking pot is illegal. Yes Virginia, there is a difference between the two. So ironically, while possessing the pot is illegal, smoking that same pot is not. But what if it wasn't pot, what if it were cigarettes or cigars (I smoke those). Smoking either of those is legal and yes, you can get second hand smoke from it as well. If I'm fishing at a spot first where the fish are stacked up, why should I be the one to move because someone doesn't like the smell of cigar smoke? And if that person wants to argue about secondhand smoke, they would be hyprocrites for driving down to the fishing hole because their automobile emissions would subject many people to all sorts of respiratory problems. So who has the right?
i am not saying its bad to smoke it or i own the river or ground that i am fishing on.. but what i am saying is if it discomforts others then why do it... not to mention if your fishing you should be somewhat funtional..... and yes i have been to a rock concert and there is a place and time for it all my friend....
Actually, I think you are saying it's bad. See your original post below.
hey guys and dolls...
Just wondering what the hell is up with all the people who go fishing and smoke weed. I dont understand why people do this. It slows down your reaction time and also makes the whole place impairs. I am so sick of going fishing and getting stoned off the guy fishing next to me. Why do they do it ..Its dangerous when your fishing one slip and your a goner sometimes... :o stay off the week while your fishing
Mea Culpa for the long post.
Imagine what this thread would look like if we substitute the words, smoking up with the words flossing or snagging. ;D
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Well said Merc!!! Question for you Rod, are you an expert on marijuana? Also the Police tolerate it to a degree anything under an eigth of an ounce is tolerable these days, anything more and they could charge you. I am no expert but I have been around it all my life and I know what it does to people and people that are alcoholics are allot worse than those that smoke. So all you people that dont smoke do you drink? Well if you do than you may end up with liver cancer just like my grandfather did and he died at the age of 63. I do smoke cigs and if someone is smoking cigs next to you in a fishnig spot it would be just as bad if you were the non-smoker and possibly even worse than if it were pot. Cigs are legal so if you didnt like it and even if you were at that spot first you would have to either leave or put up with it. Personally I dont care about if people choose to smoke or drink as long as they are responsible.
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that's a good question.... why toke and fish.
why golf and drink beer??
weed has this stigma that is rooted back in the 1920's and 30's......the stone age basically.
I smoke while i fish for the same reason one has a beer, other than the liquid satisfaction factor. It is relaxing to the mind and body, allows focus on the task at hand.. and not much else hehehe....but isn't that the point? Go fishing and while doing that we are changing our focus from life to just fishing, some of us choose alcohol some of us choose weed, to each his/her own.
the real issue should be discretion. If i see a family or a guy and his children approaching while we are "partaking in our chosen refreshment" the stuff gets put away. Boozers don't generally have to be concerned about that even though drinking in public is illegal too.
I could ask the same question.... why are there so many "boozers" out there fishing, alcohol makes you dizzy and impairs your ability to react...... silly boozers... you'd catch more fish if you joined our team. the cannabis-fly has made every fishing trip a great one.... the fish seem to like it too.
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yeah, those pot smokers, laughing and goofing around, not taking things nearly seriously enough and just enjoying themselves, and poluting the bank with all those discarded roaches. These guys really curdle my milk. Where's my gun?
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I don't drink either actually. ;) I'm no Saint though. ;D This is where everyone has their own beliefs, morals comes in. ;) I guess I have always been taught to play by the rules and rarely question it. Although alcohol and emission from cars also do tremendous amount of harm to your body, that doesn't mean there is a need to put more strain on your body. :P Far too often I've seen folks doing things that are not acceptable when under the influence of weed, alcohol, or a combination of the two. The problems that arise at the river cleanups are good examples.
Imagine what this thread would look like if we substitute the words, smoking up with the words flossing or snagging.
;) Well let's see, would the same approach work? If not, why not? ;D
We live in the salmon country of the world, most people floss, which is a legal activity, so you should be used to it by now. ;)
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Your right Rod flossing is legal. I dont agree with it but its still legal. If I was on a river and saw those gys bouncing their betties all over the place I wouldnt say anything but I would shake my head. I cant do anything about them doing it but I can choose to stay and fish around them or leave. Just like catching bass and feeding them to my cats is legal. HAHA!!!
I dont drink very often and I dont smoke weed but I have freinds that do and they are great friends. I do go to the gym everyday and keep myself fit as can be despite the fact that I smoke cigs, but I can bench 300lbs not bad for a smoker hey.
Anyways the point is if you dont like being around it just leave or tolerate it. Dont sit on a forum and complain about it since majority of the fishermen do drink and allot do smoke.
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Nothing wrong with complaining about it on the forum in my opinion as long as it is civil. Heck go to any local website and see the number of posts about flossing. I enjoy an occasional alcoholic beverage but I don't indulge while I'm fishing because I have to drive home. I see too many fishermen drinking on the river and then getting into their vehicle and driving home.
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Actually, my point was more along the lines of, everyone has rights. Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees it. That doesn't mean YOU GET YOUR OWN WAY just because you have that right. It ultimately means that there are more of your rights to be infringed upon. Look at the criminal justice system where it appears that the criminals get more rights than the victims do. And in some cases, this goes beyond appearances. Karla Homolka's due out in July, I think, after serving 12 years. Little comfort for Leslie Mahaffy or Kristian French. Where were their rights?
Ironically, your right to a right is both a right and in many cases, still a privilege. Enough editorializing from me. Everyone, have a nice day.
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Smoke them if you got them 8) :P
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You don’t need to smoke. You might need a vehicle to get to work, make money and feed your family but you don’t need to smoke!
I was at an open mike standup comedy show last night and here in Copenhagen, unfortunately, you are still allowed to smoke cigarettes in public places. This means I had to sit for 3 hours in a smoke filled room, and after inhaling second hand smoke all evening, I ended up losing my voice. I did not shout or speak loudly. Loosing my voice last night and its still not good today was due to all the smoke. I’ve tried it before and it is really bothering me. I know I chose to go to this comedy show and I could just have stayed home. But if that is the case, I would never be able to go anywhere with my friends (none of them smokers) so what is a non-smoker to do?
Not to speak of the fear slowly creeping up my spine, thinking about all the bad stuff second hand smoke can do to you. I lost my mother to cancer when I was young, and believe me, I know what cancer looks like – it is not pretty. So personally I just do not understand the people who smoke. I know they have their rights so all I can say is that I would be so embarrassed, so ashamed to be a smoker, knowing how many people I hurt and in general just bug with my stinky (yes, smokers, you do literally stink!), foggy presence.
The end.
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know a lot of stuff can give cancer and that you might run someone over with a car or give someone bronchitis because you farted! I just do not like the idea that I have to move away because someone else wants to ruin their life 2 meters from where I am standing.)
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I feel very strongly against smoking ;)
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Do you drink Nina? If you do, it sickens me to think you drink not too mention the smell you give off after a night of drinking. You see thats not really the way I feel but reading what you wrote disgusts me. Its borderline predjudice. My mother had colon cancer and I know what cancer looks like as well especially when she was going through chemo. Here in Canada we have rights and freedoms and allot of us choose to smoke. We cant smoke in all the bars anymore, a right that was taken away from us. You might be missing out on some good friends because you are predjudice against smokers, allot of us are hard working, fun loving people. Doctors,Scientists, Nurses etc allot of those people smoke and they are people trying to fight it. Dont blame us, blame the tobacco industries if you want to blame anyone.
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well, now that we've got this off smoking weed while fishing, through beer and drinking and driving, and are on to cigarettes (tobacco), I (having worked for Philip Morris Int. many years ago, making cigarettes) can sympathize with you poor hooked smokers. There are lots of barbs on that hook, it's a hard one to throw.
But people do . . . and you folks look pretty foolish to people who have stopped.
Here's one reason not to smoke while you got a big one on the line--saw this on the Salmon River (Idaho) when I was a kid: fellow was playing a salmon while holding a smoke between his lips. He was using that newfangled monofillament nylon line. He pulled back on the pole, line met glowing coal on that cigarette, . . . .
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Here in Canada we have rights and freedoms...
None of that in Denmark... ;D
You might be missing out on some good friends because you are predjudice against smokers....
But... ;)
I feel very strongly against smoking ;) (not smokers)
Many of our friends are smokers. Itosh, lukeyvr... Steelhead King even puffs a big cigar from time to time. ::)
I dont drink very often and I dont smoke weed but I have freinds that do and they are great friends. I do go to the gym everyday and keep myself fit as can be despite the fact that I smoke cigs, but I can bench 300lbs not bad for a smoker hey.
I think you're misunderstanding something here. I and a few others are not judging your integrity as a human being. I'm not sure why your ability to bench press 300lbs (but, think how much more you can press if you take the ciggies away ;) ) or your good friendship with weed smokers have any relevance here. The point that some of us (or at least I) are trying to make is smoking weed or cigarettes can be harmful and not too pleasant to others around you. Smoking weed or cigarette does not suggest your inability to engage in social activities. ;) They're not complaints, they're simply opinions that are backed up with some facts, nothing personal.
I like Merc's reminder of our rights to have rights, even though I had to read that a few times near the end to get it right. ;D Unfortunately, these days it seems some individuals choose to take advantage of those rights and abuse our system. ::)
Maybe they should have smoker-only bars and clubs in this town? Personally, I am relieved that indoor smoking ban is in effect here. When I am in Europe, I try to stay away from malls or any public indoor facilities because of the amount of smoke accumulate inside the buildings, even though I really want to go in. :-\
I think the last five years, I've seen Nina drank two glasses of wine in total. The breath seems ok too from those two glasses, from what I have experienced. ;)
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In the past you used to be able to smoke in office buildings, even the teachers were allowed to smoke in the teachers lounge. Slowly they have taken away rights that we had. I understand the ban in restaraunts since people are eating I am fine with that but bars? Allot of non-smokers pick up a ciggarette only when they drink. I agree that us as smokers pollute the air but so do big industries along rivers, big smoke stacks,vehicles etc ( dont tell me you ride a bike to every fishing hole LOL ) anyways my point is that us as smokers have just as much right to smoke in places we are allowed to do so which is getting less and less all the time. If I could quit tommorow I would it in a heartbeat but its not that easy and for anyone who has never smoked has no clue what its like. As far as the weight training it doesnt have much an effect on my ability to lift weights it has more effect on my cardiovascular activites. Actually allot of body builders smoke believe it or not as it boosts their metabolism.
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I like Merc's reminder of our rights to have rights, even though I had to read that a few times near the end to get it right. ;D
Ha! Made you think! ;D
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So many responses and so many viewpoints! I might as well add my 2 cents.
Weed and public drinking is still illegal and it's not appropriate to condone it. If you want a drink then drink where it is legal to do so. If you choose to smoke up then at least do it discretely, smoking weed is not a RIGHT. You wouldn't smoke up infront of the police right? that tells you something...
This is pretty black and white even for someone who sees in shades of gray ;D
btw, I smoke cigarettes but I don't go sit next to a non smoker and puff away. Just like I wouldn't expect the non smoker to sit next to me and complain that I'm smoking.
(try substituting the word 'fart' for 'smoke' in the above 2 sentences :P)
Respect each other regardless of who's in the right.
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i smoke pot.i have my whole life(45) pretty much.i don t drink,although i have an occaisonal beer.i don t
see the problem smoking out side,if you were there first you could ask them to move abit.but if they were there first,then you should move,simple.its the great outdoors and lots of room.
and if it wasn t for our neigbours to the south it would be decriminalized all ready,and i for 1 can t wait for the day,cheers.
and asking why smoke and fish,why have a beer and fish?why do people do anything? because they enjoy it.
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I think the reason I do feel very strongly against smoking is partly because I am in Denmark and people smoke every where! Women in Denmark live, what was it, something around 5 years shorter than our neighbors the Norwegian women because danish women smoke so much.
I know I come of as a bitch when I write stuff like in the other post, but as a said I do feel very strongly against smoking (not smokers as Rodney pointed out...) and here in Denmark there is no where to escape the smoke. Even in malls where the rules a slowly changing towards no smoking people still smoke. The funny thing is I don't remember ever been annoyed at a Canadian for smoking. You hardly ever see Canadian smoke. At least not compared to over here....
No one is gonna change my view of smoking. I would feel ashamed and embarrassed if I smoked, that doesn't mean I expect other people to feel the same, I know you don't and I don't really care if you do, it's your life, but personally I would still feel ashamed. I do respect people who choose to smoke, of course they can be great people, I never said otherwise. My dad and brother used to smoke and I love them but that doesn't mean I agree with it (duh..) and if one of my friends started smoking I would try with all my might to talk her or him out of it.
Oh and I don't drink, but that’s mostly just because I don't like the taste too much. Danes are the people in Europe who drink the most and drinking is a big part of our culture. Since I am not gonna get cancer or loose my voice from seeing my friend drinking I don't mind (of course its bad when people drink too much, get sick, drive while drunk etc.).
And I do ride my bike everywhere, but that’s mostly because people can't afford a car over here until they are 30 ;) ;D
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I know I come of as a bitch....
Well.... :-X
i smoke pot.i have my whole life(45) pretty much.i don t drink,although i have an occaisonal beer.i don t
see the problem smoking out side,if you were there first you could ask them to move abit.but if they were there first,then you should move,simple.its the great outdoors and lots of room.
This one probably summed it up the best.
If a group of short floaters are working on a stretch of the river and a bottom bouncer came in at the top, guess who's going to be moving after five minutes? ;)
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Cancer comes to people even if they live a very healthy life style. its very unfortunate but its true. My mother never smoked, only drank an occasional glass of wine. She also ate very healthy not eating much red meat and eating lots of vegetables. I know I need to quit smoking and maybe once I finish getting my realtors license I will quit. When someone that smokes has stress in their lives its very hard to quit and I will quit once the stress of selling my house and getting that license are complete. Oh and by the way I dont even leave my cig butts on the ground I put the cig out and put it in a plastic bag and carry it out with me and throw it in the trash. How many smokers do you know that do that?
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This is fun..... i want to add my 2 cents too!!!
- i really like this forum, and i like the people here... but guys, for a second put yourselfs in the others' shoes!
now step back and think... if you were a smoker (or non smoker) how would you feel by the others comments?
just stop reading and think for a second... if u never smoked then think of something else you do that is not "perfect"
You wouldn't smoke up infront of the police right? that tells you something...
the quote above is interesting...
- You wouldn't tell the office how you felt about him if he's giving you a ticket that you don't think is fair would u?
see how long you can talk smack to a cop before he takes you with him.. - oh btw, i thought freedom of speech was a right?
- you also wouldn't (as someone in an earlier post pointed out) pee infront of a cop - which is also illegal, and as the same post states ( when fishing do you want to pack up your gear and head to the nearest gas station with a washroom every time u gotta pee?)
Again my post isn't meant to offend anyone,
Just funny to see all the " Would you....if ..." "you should ...." "I would never...."
we are all guilty of something... if you don't smoke, and don't drink good for you, but that does not make you perfect
i'm sure there are tonnes of other things that you don't want to share with us.
In any case i put in my 2 cents... - my post isn't targeting anyone but everyone
i won't tell you if i smoke/drink/sleep/pee/fart/eat/floss/etc/etc.... i am who i want to be.. and so are you
Cheers all
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Today finishes my 38 th time around the sun... So feeling entitled allow me to weigh in on this subject.
If the fella beside me needed to pee I would expect him to mutter something about taking care of his spot and excuse himself to a discrete place to do his business... as I would.
Why ? Because to relieve himself beside me might make me feel uncomfortable.
Toking while fishing ? One might want to realize that the pungent odor of your weed might be just as offensive to others. You could excuse yourself and "do your business" off from the line and come back.
Why would one want to do this? The only reason I can see is for the peace you would enjoy. I fish for meat. And I fish for the peaceful experience I enjoy as I provide meat for my family. If I engage in behavior that would offend others I surrender some of my peaceful experience.
Quoting Desiderata "As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all people".
This I try to do.
regards,
CasinoJim.
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if u never smoked then think of something else you do that is not "perfect"
You got me there, I do fart in my neoprenes but the ones that you can hear usually don't do much damage. Its the silent ones that are bad and I blame the other person beside me anyways!!.
Today finishes my 38 th time around the sun... So feeling entitled allow me to weigh in on this subject.
If the fella beside me needed to pee I would expect him to mutter something about taking care of his spot and excuse himself to a discrete place to do his business... as I would.
Why ? Because to relieve himself beside me might make me feel uncomfortable.
Toking while fishing ? One might want to realize that the pungent odor of your weed might be just as offensive to others. You could excuse yourself and "do your business" off from the line and come back.
Why would one want to do this? The only reason I can see is for the peace you would enjoy. I fish for meat. And I fish for the peaceful experience I enjoy as I provide meat for my family. If I engage in behavior that would offend others I surrender some of my peaceful experience.
Quoting Desiderata "As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all people".
This I try to do.
regards,
CasinoJim.
Eloquently put Casino. The issue is not about smoking rights its about having some consideration for the people fishing around you.
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See all you guys on the flow. Ill be the guy with the giant doobie puffing away as I walk down the river.
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No offence taken Splavik and you have a good analogy of peeing in public.
Though it is probably illegal to urinate in public, I believe the law is within reason (since many Acts are taken from the 'reasonable person' viewpoint) (I'm sure there isn't a law prohibiting peeing in the wilderness when camping).
If you have to go (piss in public), you have to go...but can one justify before a judge that they 'had' to toke? I think not...
And mouthing off a cop as he tickets you... Why would you do that? Chances are you were pulled over for a reason. To mouth someone off for doing their job and when you were in the wrong (in most cases) is a poor display of behaviour. You knew the rules but chose to break them. I'm not saying that I don't speed but if I got a ticket, I know I was in the wrong. I might plead my case through a dispute and get a break but if I didn't get it then I was just SOL.
And you can mouth off a cop, he would probably harrass you for a bit but who instigated it? Its your right to speak freely even if you choose to be unreasonable but its also his/her right to detain you if you were being a nuisance in public. Using your 'right' to violate others just doesn't add up.
I was using 'you' just as a example, I didn't mean you Spalvik. Hope your not offended.
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Double,
No offense taken... what i like about debates is there is just an infinite number of examples both for and against any subject we pick... countless "What ifs" and "why would ?"
I'm actually pleasantly surprised this topic didn't get out of hand... i like everyone's arguments, and it will definitely
be something I'll be observing next time.
Cheers
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What the heck ... waters frothing from all the chumming being done . I guess I should toss a cast into this fray also. :P
Firstly ...I agree with jettabambino ... and I think ones own should answer his simple question...WHY?
Now ... I've been there, done it ::) .... the weed, the reebs and tobacco. 8)
But after 45 years ... and much more wisdom ??? ...I no longer toke, enjoy a cold reeb (cola, water, ice tea do the same ... cost a fraction of the price ...you've heard, I know ... k) and I'm currently in the metamorphosis of shaking them barbs (good one keithr ;) ) of that evil tobacco.
Still pee (discreetly), drive a vehicle (in CJ's peaceful way ;D) ... but the ? nags to answered.
Why would a person dispatch themselves from the confines of their warm Dana Down, get prepared (can't forget the java ;D ) ... to drive to some angling destination to arrive at the crack of drawn or sometimes prior ...only to pull out their DA Giant Doobie and start sucking on it? Now I've experienced this mind warp from the evils of tobacco ... (there's a major power struggle happening in skullville right now :P) but when I partook ...somehow I had more sense, better respect for others than to indulge then.
Yes to each his own ... and at what road do we as individuals stop? IMO angling is a special place ... nothing wrong with asking to keep it that way. ;)
I'm really curious to hear mr.pink and steelheadjunkie's replies. :-*
btw - IMO ... if they legalize pot mr.pink ... why not throw the baby out with the bathwater too. ???
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Why would a person dispatch themselves from the confines of their warm Dana Down, get prepared (can't forget the java ) ... to drive to some angling destination to arrive at the crack of drawn or sometimes prior ...only to pull out their DA Giant Doobie and start sucking on it?
Because I enjoy it. Angling IS a special place. A special place I enjoy while smoking a joint. There is nothing better than getting to the river before its light enough to see, and sit on a rock waiting for first light and puffing a fat one. Its not like we are cramped up in a small room and everyone else is getting poisoned by my smoke. I am outside when I smoke my joint, by the river with plenty of fresh air for all. In my opinion this is the MOST appropriate place to smoke where there is lots of air flow. Now I do apply common sense....obviously if I see a father with his young sons/daughters I am not going to walk up and blow smoke in their direction, that would be very inconsiderate. But if all I see is adults on the river near me Im gonna blaze up and I dont really care what anyone thinks. People offend me all the time on the river and dont think twice about it cutting me off when Im trying to work down a run, or snagging fish, the list goes on and on. If you are going to talk about offensive things happening on the flow I would think the guy smoking the the joint would be pretty far down the list compared to the other BS i see happening out there. If you think smoking a joint is so Illeagal and socially offensive next time you see a guy smoking a joint on the river call the cops and see how far you get, probably about as far as calling DFO to report snaggers on the river.They would never show up.
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Thats so true so true. Very good points steelheadjunkie. By the way someone metioned something about you wouldnt smoke it infront of a cop. Well go to Main & Hastings where the cop shop is and see how many junkies shoot up right infront of it.
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Good luck quiting the tobacco, Bantom 50. You can do it.
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There's hope after all... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/nicotine_dc) ;)
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Thats good news Rodney. Truly tobbacco is a habit I really need to quit. I have tried to quit and failed so many times I hope one day there is something out there that makes it easier for people to quit.
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Wow some of you guys are long winded. We should start our own political party the FWR Party and use an anti-sealice campain for our platform. Anyway you all have raised some good points. Rod you covered some points I have never thought about.
So here's my two cents when it comes to sportfishing we have some safety issues that are never thought of until faced with them.
Dangerous wading condtions: loose rocks that move when stepped on, slippery rocks, strong currents, rising waters, undermined structures, & quicksand.
Falling into a stream and being washed down stream.
Losing the trail in the dark and becoming lost.
Hypothermia, & hyperthermia.
Any one of us could be faced with one or many of the above at any time when angling. To deal with these situation effectively we need a clear head. A good fishing trip is the one you come back from, saftey first.
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saftey first is always the only way to go
so drink and toke safely
one need not try to cross a rushing stream or stay until after dark
but if i know the way while clear eyed and bushy tailed i sure do after a beer or joint
having a beer(joint) does not mean i have a death wish
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uhhhhhh?? I was gonna post but I forgot what I was gonna say.............. ;D ;D ;D ;) 8)
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WoW this is a very interesting topic: ahhhhh what was it again?
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Thats good news Rodney. Truly tobbacco is a habit I really need to quit. I have tried to quit and failed so many times I hope one day there is something out there that makes it easier for people to quit.
1 marijuana joint is equivalent to 22 1/4 cigarettes. Enjoy ;D
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marijuana joint is equivalent to 22 1/4 cigarettes. Enjoy
Hogwash! Where did you get this information, to me it sounds like an urban legend. There has never been a death attributed to smoking marijuanna so how can you compare it's toxicity to cigs. One toke off a joint can stop an asthma attack but the same cannot be said for cigarettes. Marijuanna opens up your lungs while cigarettes constrict your air flow. It's like comparing apples and oranges.
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/teenpg9-10.html
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http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/Marijteenstxt.html#1
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http://pdxnorml.org/032896.html#mtfm
refer to the last 2 excerts at the bottom of the page.
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actually this site is more comprehensive
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.html
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Quote: "It is written from a pro-marijuana-relegalization perspective,"
More comprehensive ? Don't think so.
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Despite a lot of effort to suppress it, pot's medicinal qualities are widely recognized. A lot of people in the western world have been smoking a lot of pot since at least the 1960s. I other parts of the world people have been toking away for a lot longer. I don't know of any studies or literature that attribute pot smoking to large scale health issues.
This is anecdotal, but I've known quite a few people who have smoked pot for many many years. None of these people have out of the ordinary health problems (I do know some straight people who have some). Nor have any of them had children with birth defects.
On the other hand, nobody seriously argues that putting a whole lot of heavy smoke in your lungs and holding it in there as long as possible is good for your lungs. Just can't be. For the people who are going to smoke pot in any case (and there are a bunch of people like that), it seems to me it might be more healthy if they could openly grow pot organically. I imagine current growers really sock the chemicals to those plants in the typical grow-op. If pot were legal, I doubt that people would smoke more pot, but I'm certain they would smoke better pot, and maybe even less pot. Seems like that would be a good thing for everyone.
Well maybe not. It's an easy bust, with a bunch of money involved. Cops would have to move on to more gritty things. It would also raise hell with growers, dealers, and transporters, not to mention corrupt officials. We might have to come up with a retraining program for these folks.
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;)Puff Puff Pass 8)
This thread is sure getting repetative now isn't it?
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wow what did i start with a little message about weed :P
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hehe this debate again!! Sweet!!!!! This topic actually managed to hide in the bushes since the last time half the guys on this forum tried to convince the world all people who enjoy a spliff are stupid. I enjoy a spliff now and then, and ESPECIALLY while fishing. My job is more stressful than most, and I find weed relaxes me. Sure I am aware of the increased heartrate/bloodpressure etc...guess what...exercising increases heartrate and bloodpressure. Anyways, for me it's more about just being able to relax for a few hours without constantly thinking about work. But I think CasinoJim said it the best...ANYTHING that may offend those around you should be done away from the group. I purposely find secluded spots to fish so I can enjoy a smoke and not offend anybody. It never makes sense to go out of your way to make others uncomfortable...
Anyways living in any large-scale city in the world is far worse for you then smoking even a spliff or 2 a day.
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hmmmm....to herb and fish....or not......myself.....my doc 8 yrs ago suggested herb to manmade painkillers for my back problems..werks great as a muscle relaxer....and my apetitie has come back......while I agree....folks drinking and fishing should b kept to the campsite....herb never fires a person up like booze....go ahead....test me on this one......walk into a room of drinkers....and just try to get the last drink.....(lookin' like a scrap here Billy-Bob).....now try to the same to a room of smokers....(lookin' like a love-in here Billy-Bob).....fact is....booze impairs your emotional behavior.....herb just sez....."emotional....get real!!!!!....lets just enjoy"
mojoman....who knows that 180 Tylenol #3 a month is way worse than a joint a day......
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oh....I should add here.....I never drink and fish......dam line and rod go AWOL......but at the canpfire in the evening. when staying overnite.......pop them tops....wrap one up....is time to relax...;)))
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My take FWIW:
Do as you will while obeying the law(ok, just a cheap shot lol ;) ) and respecting others around you(in other words know your audience.. like steelheadjunkie stated earlier BUT DON'T drink and drive OR toke and drive. People don't realize how many car accidents are now atributed to pot smoking and driving.. catching up to alcohol related crashes.
There is no time in which it ought to be ok to risk the lives of others strictly because of selfish choices.
As far as how it affects fishing... I don't smoke pot so I wouldn't care to comment.
IMHO
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I smoke weed when I fish sometimes because I am a bad person. I dont care about anybody else, so I try to find ways to disturb you all. I think once I may have even said a naughty word!
Listen you puritans, the world would be a much better place if you didnt impose your morals on those around you. And no, its not hypocritical to say this, im not trying to tell you to smoke, just let me live my life how i want to live it.
1. Its a personal choice.
2. Nobody is going to get stoned standing next to somebody else.
3. If there are yelling, violent people, they are most likely drunk or like that all the time anyways.
Stop being afraid of people. Nobody is going to hurt you. Take a deep breath and just ask whoever is smoking weed two feet from you if they mind just stepping a couple meters away so the smoke doesnt blow in your face. If it was me you asked, I'd be apologetic and gladly give you some space. So just relax, we may as well try to get along in this world, there is enough conflict already and it isnt caused by marijuana!
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"People don't realize how many car accidents are now atributed to pot smoking and driving.. catching up to alcohol related crashes."
Really? This is the first mention I have heard of this 'problem', please quote some official statistics, or are you just pulling this out of thin air?
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"People don't realize how many car accidents are now atributed to pot smoking and driving.. catching up to alcohol related crashes."
Really? This is the first mention I have heard of this 'problem', please quote some official statistics, or are you just pulling this out of thin air?
Try some google searches. Actually you get quite a variety of perspectives, some even say it enhances your ability to drive lol.. but anything slowing down reaction speed and motor skills, as well as the ability to maintain focus does affect ones ability to drive. I read a statistic from the US that showed drivers from acidents among teenagers were almost as often high from pot as drunk.
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Sure I am aware of the increased heartrate/bloodpressure etc...guess what...exercising increases heartrate and bloodpressure.
So if I just smoked more dope, I could finally drop the last ten pounds to achieve my ideal weight?
Some people here for and against the weed make some very good points, then you have those less informed individuals (like me) who post comments that make no sense.(not like me) So in conclusion if everone could be a little like me, and a little bit not like me we could find a happy medium.
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Sounds like you are already in a "happy medium", All Tangled Up.
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Stop being afraid of people. Nobody is going to hurt you. Take a deep breath and just ask whoever is smoking weed two feet from you if they mind just stepping a couple meters away so the smoke doesnt blow in your face.
Good point here marmot!
casinojim.
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thanks, CJ, it seems like people these days would rather complain about things and be angry inside rather than just ask politely for a little courtesy. Most pot smokers, IMO, would gladly oblige.
As for the driving on pot discussion....thats just stupid. I'd agree that its probably not as dangerous as driving drunk, but still, why put other people at risk...? Wait until youre straight to drive, its common sense. Argue this and you've probably either smoked and drank too many brain cells away or you werent born with enough to begin with.
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Never had, and never will smoke that stuff. My brother tokes for 2! Just thought I would try to be a little funny in my post. My brother being one of the heaviest users around would gladly step aside if the air you breathe was being offended by his habit. Just ask and you shall receive.
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nice to see nothin's changed this past year..... might as well put in my 2 cents.
if pot is strong enough to ease the pain of a terminally ill person, it obviously has potency, it may not be as strong as valume or morphine, but to say its harmless to use while on the river, is naive...if not irresponsible.
if you want to toke up that's your perogative, especially outdoors...good on ya. but to do it in 'an already dangerous environment' is just plain stupid. i've watched guys get stoned while fishing. their reaction and movement becomes almost hesitant. although i'm sure they would deny it.
....and just so that i don't come across as bias, i too use be a smoker (18 yrs 1 1/2 pks a day). and as much as i hate to admit it i was also a 'user' for almost 10 yrs.
i stopped because nothing good came out of it.