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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing Reports => Members' Fishing Reports => Topic started by: Sinaran on September 19, 2005, 10:41:32 PM
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cancelled my trip to the vedder today because of the shady weather and went to ambleside/cap mouth with my friends instead. didn't fish though , just watched and helped up a bit. water was low, lots of boats out there but couldn't see anyone catching fish. no sign of salmon jumping too. at around 6pm, friend caught two tommy cods and a shiner perch within 10 mins, not bad eh. big one was about 10 inches, and the shiner perch was of palm size too. he was fishing with shrimp, with a sinker to the bottom.
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/albums/sinaran/Ambleside_Cap_mouth_Sept19.jpg)
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the perch is actually a juvenile striped seaperch. shiners don't normally grow that large.
the other two look like white spotted greenlings, but i can't tell for sure (picture a little dark).
all very nice eating fish. :)
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juvenile striped seaperch? i really don't know how to distinguish tidal fish.. :) and from what i read from the book, the tommy cod looks very much like greenlings too, confusing~~
thanks for the infor bud.!
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no problem.
i know what you mean about the different names. it can be confusing at times.
after awhile, it becomes second nature to know the species. no worries as long as you don't accidently kill something that's protected.
cheers.
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I saw a guy on ambleside give another guy S**T for killing a bull head?!!? Turns out the one guy thought the bullhead was a lingcod (which he knew was closed)....talk about confused!!!!!!
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Would the tommy cod not count towards rockfish? is the daily limit not 1 in Georgia Strait?
hmmmm
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Codfish (includes Pacific cod, Tom cod, pollock, and hake)
1-29
daily limit 8 fish, possesion limit of 16
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Oh dear. The daily limit for Greenling is 3 in Areas 1-29. Most people refer to Greenling as "Tommy Cod" and that is VERY different from a "Tomcod" which is a true 'cod' fish.
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were these caught off ambleside pier? that is rare.
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There seems to be some misinformation on saltwater non-salmon species identification so this maybe an opportunity to clarify.
Ambleside Park/Pier falls in Area 28 of the tidal water regulations.
Pacific tomcod
(http://hmsc.oregonstate.edu/projects/msap/PS/masterlist/imagemarkle/pacifictomcod.gif)
This is one of the smallest species in the true cod/codfish family (pacific cod, atlantic cod, etc). They are usually between 12 and 15 inches in length. A commercial fishery exists in the early part of 1900s but the stock numbers no longer support a sustainable fishery, but they are very tasty. They are also commonly called tommy cod. Daily quota is eight.
Greenling
(http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=kelp+greenling/v=2/SID=w/l=IVI/SIG=1257aagtd/EXP=1127338757/*-http%3A//john.munchnet.com/alaska/kelpgreenling.jpg)
Greenling or kelp greenling are also commonly called tommy cod, but are not related to pacific tomcod. It is a close relative of the lingcod. Note, male and female greenlings look completely different. Daily quota is three.
Lingcod
(http://hmsc.oregonstate.edu/projects/msap/PS/masterlist/images/lingcod.gif)
Daily quota for lingcod is zero in Area 28.
Shiner perch
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/image/shiner_perch.jpg)
Stripe perch
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/image/striped_perch.jpg)
Pile perch
(http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/recfish/images/species/pilepeh2.jpg)
Daily quota of perch (mixed species!) is eight.
Rockfish
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fish_profile/image/canary_rockfish.jpg)
Daily quota of rockfish is one in Area 28.
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hope this will help a little. just a small list of coarse fish commonly found in the pacific northwest and the family they belong to.
Codfishes include:
pacific cod, pacific tomcod, walleye pollock, pacific hake.
Scorpionfishes or commonly known as 'rockcod' include:
copper rockfish,quillback rockfish, brown rockfish, china rockfish, yellowtail rockfish, black rockfish, blue rockfish, dusky rockfish, bocaccio, silver rockfish, widow rockfish, canary rockfish, vermilion rockfish, tiger rockfish, yelloweye rockfish, splitnose rockfish, puget sound rockfish, redstripe rockfish, greenstripe rockfish, shortspine thornyhead.
The Greenlings include:
kelp greenling, whitespotted greenling, rock greenling, lingcod, painted greenling.
The Sculpins include:
37 different species commonly known as 'bullheads' (the great sculpin and pacific staghorn being the two most caught). on this list includes the cabezon, red irish lord, and brown irish lord (very edible and tasty fish).
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the other two look like white spotted greenlings, but i can't tell for sure (picture a little dark).
still not certain. also looks like brown irish lords. did it have a line of rough scales running along it's side?
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I saw a guy next to me catch a SOLE in the fraser.at brownsville as usual :o
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Starry flounder maybe, Hey 100 posts... ;D
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Rod i think they are greenling. Greenling can differ alot in color. Female kepl greenling are almost a silver with tons of small brownish dots. The males are almost a purple or blue like in rods pic with the funny dots.White spotted greenling are different thats what your picture looks like they are more molted for camo on sandy muddy bottoms. All will take almost any lure and put up good scrap. They also cook up pretty well although i havent kept on in a few years
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(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2788/greenling7ir.jpg)
this is a greenling i caught and released over the weekend. strange colours.
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Not at Ambleside, but not too far off topic...I caugth a couple big (about12") herring looking fish while trolling for Springs around T10 lately. Slightly bigger scales, and too big to be herring. Afriend said he thought they were called something like Pelchers. Anybody help ID it? No pics. I used the first one for bait, and unfortunately the second one slipped overboard right after I cut plugged him.
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You mean pilchards ?
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/pictures/Clupeidae.html
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Phatwop thats a cabozen they are pretty cool colored fish. Maybe the fish caught were mackrel? You probaly wold recognize them stripes small scales blue/green backs ???
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You mean pilchards ?
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/pictures/Clupeidae.html
I guess that could be the fish. Thanks for the link Fish Assassin. Saw a pic Sarinus Pilchardus. Couldn't see if they get a foot long or if they live around here from the link.
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Sounds like pilchards...there have been good numbers of them off Port Hardy this summer and they are often found around Nootka and north of that. They are also referred to as sardines. Not surprised a few of them are showing up locally. Talked to one guy who did well off Hardy for BIG springs using them for bait.
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Phatwop thats a cabozen they are pretty cool colored fish. Maybe the fish caught were mackrel? You probaly wold recognize them stripes small scales blue/green backs ???
actually, that's a painted greenling.(sorry i don't have pictures to forward, i just double checked on my "coastal fishes of the pacific northwest encyclopedia"). the cabezon has a huge pronounced head that's followed by a shorter narrowing body. looks like a cross between a giant bullhead and a lingcod.
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Not at Ambleside, but not too far off topic...I caugth a couple big (about12") herring looking fish while trolling for Springs around T10 lately. Slightly bigger scales, and too big to be herring. Afriend said he thought they were called something like Pelchers. Anybody help ID it? No pics. I used the first one for bait, and unfortunately the second one slipped overboard right after I cut plugged him.
it could have possibly been herring. when i worked at a fish distribution plant, we used to process herrings that were 9-14 inches long. most of them were caught during their spawning cycle and the females full of roe, weighed as much as half a pound. the japanese market paid top dollar for them.
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Phatwop thats a cabozen they are pretty cool colored fish
actually, it's a different coloured kelp greenling. the cabezon is a bit different in that it's head is a lot larger and more closely related to the sculpin/bullhead family. i've caught several of those and up close, they are UGLY!, This coloured one is one of 4 different colored kelp greenlings i've been lucky enough to get. there is the grey with blue dots, the red with light blue dots and the brown with yellow versions. maybe someone has caught a 5th variety?
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Cabezon
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishing_photos/pics/pic/02-009.jpg)
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Cabezon
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishing_photos/pics/pic/02-009.jpg)
alternate names: giant marbled sculpin, giant sculpin, blue garnet, bull cod*, bullhead* .
maximum recorded size: 99 cm (39 inches) and 14 kg (30 pounds)
distribution: Punta Abrejos, central Baja California, Mexico, to Sitka, southeastern Alaska.
food fare: Execellent- occasional specimens tinged with green lose this colour upon being cooked.
do not eat the roe: it is highly toxic.
*---incorrect
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Ummm...it might be a bit off topic, but would there be another short season for herring or such (herring)? IF so, is it possible to catch it on the pier at Jericho's?
Thanks. Ian ;D
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My bad thats definatly not a cabezon i didnt look close enough :P It is a rock greenling ill try to grab a picture. There are only 2 colors of kelp greenling the female and the male. I would be suprised if there were 5 largely differing colored kelp greenling species. I have caught hundreds of greenling whitespotted,painted and kelp but have only caught one rock greenling ever??? Painted are cool and are much smaller i have seen them alot diving and caught 1 one a small hook. They are white and red in bars with small mouths hard to catch because of that they can only take the smallest hooks. The rock greenling are uncommon more along the coast open to the ocean and surf.
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/kellster43/delete.jpg)
heres a pic of the rock greenling
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/kellster43/delte.jpg)
Here is the painted
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similar patterns. thanx for the pics.
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LOL!! I when through this exact thing when I first started dropping a line from the dock by my house. Those in the picture are certainly white spotted greenlings. I know this because I catch them all the time. At first I thought they were male Kelp Greenlings, but when I was pulling eggs out of them I was forced to reexamine the situation. They are good fun, tasty and easy to catch; though they don't seem to get very big (other than tiny ones, most seem to be between 10 and 12 cm).
White spotted greenling can be distinguished from male kelp greenling by the fact that they have spots evenly for the full length of the body (rather than concentrated towards the front of the body like a Kelp Greenling). And the iridescent patches are really only found on the eye ridges.
Anyone interested in this thread might like this older one:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=7047.0
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They are good fun, tasty and easy to catch; though they don't seem to get very big (other than tiny ones, most seem to be between 10 and 12 cm).
Maximum Recorded Size: 61 cm (24 inches)
don't forget juveniles will always live in sheltered bays to avoid or minimize encounters with larger predators.
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i have caught them to 14 inches at belcarra. although that was pretty rare