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[Floater]

I thought I'd make my first post a good one...........

What has happened to our local fisheries? Is it o.k. to walk in beneath another angler and fish? Why is it acceptable to stand in one spot of a run for the better part of the day? Does rotating through a pool not make any sense? Why do these problems seem to be more prominent on the Vedder and other local rivers. I never see behaviour like this on steelhead streams up north. The Vedder would be so much less "painful" to fish if there was some sort of etiquete. It is a beautiful river, with a great steelhead run. It's a shame that the "anglers" ruin the experience........

Yes a very good read indead, but what solution do you propuse? why isant it ok to walk under another angler and fish aslong as yous stay away a good distance? As for standing in one spot for the better part of the day; last time i checked its up to the angler where and how long he fishes. That being said i do agree about the pool rotation with you but once again the people who get the better part of the pool are the ones that camp out lol or come very early. They deserver that spot in my mind and i dont stand around worring about it i just walk down river and find my own special place.

[Ribwart]

I think the solution just lies with tolerance Floater...I for one will bypass pools entirely when they are full of anglers. Doesn't bother me one bit, they're fishing the spot they've chosen and it would be unreasonable for for me to expect 5-6 guys to step aside so i can fish through, so I skip the run all together. However, if one guy is fishing a pool and it's obvious he's fishing stationary, I would hope that if three guys are fishing down to his spot, and obviously on the move, that this angler might have the common sense to let them fish through...that's what I would do if postions were reversed. It's interesting though how some people don't get it, and seem to take offense to someone fishing through...it's as though they have taken it as some personal insult, or some slight against their character or something. All that needs to be done is for everyone to suck it up, and not get so sensitive. It's usually one or two people that seem to spoil situations like these by turning them into some sort of confrontation. A fragile ego breeds resentment.
Rib

[Nicole]

Nicole   i tried but i got your email addy wrong???  lol

hey take out the [nadaspam] in my email address, it's there to block spam bots from data mining my email address...

Cheers,
Nicole

[frenchy]

I think the solution just lies with tolerance Floater...I for one will bypass pools entirely when they are full of anglers. Doesn't bother me one bit, they're fishing the spot they've chosen and it would be unreasonable for for me to expect 5-6 guys to step aside so i can fish through, so I skip the run all together. However, if one guy is fishing a pool and it's obvious he's fishing stationary, I would hope that if three guys are fishing down to his spot, and obviously on the move, that this angler might have the common sense to let them fish through...that's what I would do if postions were reversed. It's interesting though how some people don't get it, and seem to take offense to someone fishing through...it's as though they have taken it as some personal insult, or some slight against their character or something. All that needs to be done is for everyone to suck it up, and not get so sensitive. It's usually one or two people that seem to spoil situations like these by turning them into some sort of confrontation. A fragile ego breeds resentment.
Rib

I completely agree with you. If you have someone sitting on a spot and someone "fishing on the move" like you say, IMO this usually works well. But If someone arrives and wants to start fishing "on the move", I think he should not start just below someone already fishing on the move. If someone arrives and start to fish the run below me, no problem, I can change my presentation and work the run I am fishing for 10 min more, but if he starts fishing 5 meters below me what do I do? I like to cover the water when I am fishing  one spot and usually tries 2-3 kinds of presentations (5-10 min each), starting at the top of the run with each presentation, doing 2-3 more casts where I feel it is a very good looking water. I cannot fish this way if someone starts to fish just below me. So what do I do? I usually leave... What should I do? Run all over the place and just fishing the water I think is very very good, even if it is 5 meters below a fellow angler? I do not want to fish like that. I would learn nothing by fishing like that.   

[dennyman]

Frenchy: IMO the other fisherman that cut in 10 yards below you, should have at least asked you if he could cut in below you. But better yet, he should have used what a lot of people have mentioned here, rotational angling, he starts fishing above you, not below you.  That way you could have fished through the run, and the other angler could have had a crack at the water too.  But I am with you , if you were there first, and he set up camp just below you that is pretty rude.

[Ribwart]

I agree dennyman, case in point, I walked in behind bell acres through the trees one late morning and saw two guys fishing on the move but they were way above where I came in...so I lit up a smoke and hiked probably close to 1 km up river until i was above these two anglers that were fishing down...sure, there was a delay in my fishing time as a result, but I stepped in a good distance above them and fished my way down behind them and everything worked like clockwork. If someone steps in beneath me, often it can be attributed to ignorance of the system, and not some blatent act of disrespect...usually they don't know any better, I might say something, or I might just move on...depends on the situation...

[redside1]

Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.

This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson.  Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care.  He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.

Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me.  If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.

When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened.  The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.

Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.

pretty brutal to take fishing this serious to do something like this if it did happen that way.

[mastercaster]

Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.

This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson.  Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care.  He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.

Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me.  If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.

When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened.  The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.

Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.

pretty brutal to take fishing this serious to do something like this if it did happen that way.

Hey, maybe the wind blew the jet out from shore  but I totally agree with you that if that wasn't the case it was a pretty harsh thing to do to get your point across.

[Xgolfman]

would you guys/gal think that you see more of the cutting in etc. on the lower versus the upper??? I've found that, happened thurs. with us, fishing a run, getting near the tailout..up walks a guy from below and stops ten yards below me and starts fishing the tail. Guy was experienced pin fisherman, that was obvious. Sometimes I tend to expect it more at certain spots. I just kept fishing and if my drift went in front of him I wasn't sweating it too much....We ended up B.S.ing and he wasn't a bad guy....just the way it is in spots....Most of the time I think when you stop and talk with pretty much anyone on the river they don't mind telling you what's been happening and letting you in....Rudeness goes a long way to nowhere.

Sometimes the only problem is when your fishing with Mr. Chatty....damn, he's stops and gabs with everyone....I think half our river time was him talking....but even then it was all good. Met some good guys and heard lots of stories...One day I'm going to bring a coffee pot and fire it up on shore and just sit back and bull sh*t with whoever comes by...could write a book with half the stories you hear out there...