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[marshal]

An opening in late July and early August is always possible but it will depend on in-season escapement data. The pre-season outlook indicates that the early summer Thompson, Lower Fraser bound stocks are above long term cycle average therefore fishing opportunities on this stocks maybe given. That being said, the early summer Upper Fraser-bound stocks have been below the recent cycle line which may determine the continuation of the closure, since their return overlaps with the healthy runs. An opening is more likely for the summer run (Chilko, Nechako and Quesnel), which have good forecasted returns (159,000, 255,000 and 1.23 million fish respectively).

So Rodney, I take it you are saying that the data so far bodes for a later opening?  When is the summer run forecast to be upon us?

[Sterling C]

Perhaps this threads name should be changed. When I read upper Fraser I thought he meant openings on the Thompson or Quesnel rivers.

[2:40]

ditto, I know it might make me sound elitist, but I don't see what's so great in bottom bouncing.  I could also rant and rave for ever on the current netting practices on the columbia. 

There is nothing elitist about wanting to ban SNAGGING. 

I'm also excited about the pinks on the fly rod!

[Fish Assassin]

To keep things simple, let's just not fish for sockeye for 5 years.
Give them an opportunity to recover.
What do you say?
Who's with me?!

If it applies to everybody.

[Old Black Dog]

And then what?

[2:40]

And then what?

By the time guys were ready to go back after the five years there'd definitely be some regulations in place surrounding the fishing of sockeye. 

[glog]

Yes.  great idea.  But how are you going to stop the following groups catching sockeye.

1. natives legal and illegal drift nets
2. commercial fishing fleet
3. Alaskans before they get to BC waters.


Once again you guys are p__sssing in the wind, whats the total sockeye catch by the so called snaggers/fisherman/sports fisherman 70,000,80,000, 90,000 fish.

What's the total caught by the other groups millions.

Guess people forget that last year the alaskans caught record numbers of Coho (silvers) and yet our stocks declined. could there be a possible connection?

As said before go after the biggest reason for the decline not the smallest and you might get somewhere.  Oh and by the way, been to fraser bars 5 times this year and only seen 2 repeat 2 sockeye hooked and both were released in the water.  Thats 40 hours of fishing with at least 40 guys each time.  SO cut the crap about prtecting the early stuart run, they are not being effected by the BB ers at least at the bars that are not under water.  Most the the guys know the sockeye run close to shore and the springs run further out, so it is very easy to stay away form the sockeye. (I know that in all the years I've fished I've only ever hooked 3 sockeye and all were released in the water and in excellent shape.

One additional point any springs that were snagged were all released in the water. I'v managed to get one so far and the hook with the spin-glow was in its throat, so pray tell me how it got there if it didnt bite.

[adriaticum]

Seems that many have found reasons why protecting sockeye wouldn't work.
Because of these groups, or those people or these fishing methods.
Does anyone firmly believe that it can and should be done regardless of whose egos/feelings might be hurt.
Or whose businesses might be affected.

It seems a little odd that DFO is telling one group of people that they should not fish and what methods to use while I see fresh wild sockeye in every supermarket.

I would probably be useful to see Fraser Sockeye and Chinook stocks collapse completely.
Then someone might take notice and think about it while eating chicken wings.
That is radical but it might be the only way.

The fact that DFO and conservation officers get no respect from people who constantly break the law is nothing new.
They deserve it.
If I go out 50 times fishing without a license, they might catch me once, slap me on the wrist and make me pay a small fine.
Why wouldn't I do it?

I haven't gone around that much, but everywhere I've gone I've seen people breaking the law. Everywhere.
People don't know what a barbless hook is.

Until people face appropriate consequences for breaking the law, they will keep breaking it.
It's just math.
Until it hurts, it doesn't hurt.

[glog]

problem I have is,  these exaggerations that people make to emphasize  points/opinions.

reading these posts you'd think everyone is leaving garbage, using barbed hooks,etc etc.
This is simply BS.  once again the masses are being effected by the few bad apples which are being blown out of portion to suit special agendas..


I've seen the garbage,  I and lots of other people clean up extra garbage lines fish hooks etc all the time. mind you I dont go to KWB or limit hole, which seem to be a particular problem caused by campers.

I for one regularly bring back home many hundreds of yards of discarded line.  Interesting thing about the hooks, couple of years ago it was 20% of the hooks were barbed, last two years  i've found 1 out of a hundred hooks may be barbed,if any. I can put up a photo of the 37 hooks picked up on sunday. no barbs and no trebles either.

Its not that hard to find out.  During sockeye season when the bars are full DFO just lloks at everyones hook on the main bars they've done it before when I've been there. I've run into DFO 3 times this year alone, they checked licences and examined hooks for barbs and not once did I see anyone get a ticket. In fact last time I saw one was four years ago on the vedder, a [edited] guy was hauling off two large springs and they nailed him. 

So once again its a very small minority of bad illegal fisherman that are being used to force  personnel views and agendas on the main population. This tactic has been going on for many years and its about time it was exposed.

[OldTrout]

 

Just think of all the bar leads you could make,,,,,,  melting all those betties