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bcguy

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License checks
« on: August 13, 2007, 12:44:31 PM »
Well, I heard the RCMP were going to give fisheries and DFO a hand this summer, and now I know for sure.
Went to Buntzen on Sat to give try my luck a try and maybe catch something(summer doldrums and all)
Had no sooner got my boat in the water and my gear loaded in, when (2) RCMP officers approached me and asked to see my fishing license.
No problem there, but I couldn't believe they walked to the end of the dock after confirming I had a license,
and didn't request any licenses to be produced to anyone on the dock.
Well if anyone on this board has ever been to Buntzen ar Sasamat, the place you WANT to be checking IS on the docks.
Sure, pick on the Caucasian guy...guess it's easier not to offend anyone that way?????
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Re: License checks
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2007, 01:35:29 PM »
they were probably jelous that you had a boat.....   ;)


I agreewith you 110%.....
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Re: License checks
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2007, 02:02:41 PM »
Quote from: jettabambino on August 13, 2007, 01:35:29 PM
I agreewith you 110%.....

What? Compliance on regulations among non-Caucasians are lower than Caucasians?

Geez, no wonder I am checked so often. Oh wait, I'm not, since I would be offended if that is the case!

Has it occured to you that the officers may have already been on the pier prior to your arrival at the launch? Maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but how on earth does a person conclude that racial discrimination is at work based on what was seen without asking the officers, "What's up with this?"
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Re: License checks
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2007, 02:30:02 PM »
Because I watched them pull up into the boat launch area in their car and I was the only one checked. And not to offend, but I am probably going to, yes, I believe from what I have seen in the last few years at the local lakes, as well as shell fish harvesting, including crabs, that there is definitely either a lack of understanding of the regulations, or a choice not to follow them (for whatever reason),among the many newly arrived (and some not so new) immigrants that populate the Vancouver area so strongly.
I truly believe there are plenty of infractions(and NOT BB or FLOSSING,thats not illegal, just ethically challenged), that happen up the valley on the Vedder and Fraser by ALL races, but due to the ethnic demographics of the Vancouver area and the complete lack of disregard for regulations displayed by many of the individuals, of course I'm goiing to say something. Repeat after me...A spade is a spade is a spade is a spade...
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Re: License checks
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2007, 02:51:58 PM »

So do FN people need a fishing license or is the status card all they need to carry?
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Re: License checks
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2007, 02:56:55 PM »
Oh wow! A conspiracy is finally uncovered. It seems like the federal and provincial governments have ordered their enforcement agencies to selectively catch violators, so the increase of violations among ethnic minorities in recent years, which is induced by the recent bloom of immigration and treaty signings, would go on without being noticed!

And check out the compliance report, it seems like only violators with a Caucasian name are disclosed, while the rest are known as "individuals"! What the heck is going on here??

Somebody, do something...
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Re: License checks
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2007, 04:05:58 PM »
Interesting report, I didn't actually see many violations taking place (or getting caught) on many local lakes, lots in the interior, plenty on the island, but locally, sure seemed to be alot of river violations. Maybe the priority is not on the local lakes, so be it. Personally, this was the first time anyone has checked my license..ever!!! Reverse racism, no I don't think so, but I think checking people in the process of fishing and inspecting catches present would have been the more prudent thing to do in this case, but hey, they were RCMP, probably just thinking of the next coffee and donut, not baby sitting a bunch of fisherman
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Re: License checks
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2007, 05:19:04 PM »
Quote from: Rodney on August 13, 2007, 02:56:55 PM
Oh wow! A conspiracy is finally uncovered. It seems like the federal and provincial governments have ordered their enforcement agencies to selectively catch violators, so the increase of violations among ethnic minorities in recent years, which is induced by the recent bloom of immigration and treaty signings, would go on without being noticed!

And check out the compliance report, it seems like only violators with a Caucasian name are disclosed, while the rest are known as "individuals"! What the heck is going on here??

Somebody, do something...


That is depressing reading. Thats a ton of violations in just a short amount of time. But on the plus side it makes me see how busy the COs are
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Re: License checks
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2007, 06:10:16 PM »
Disregard my previous tongue and cheek posts bcguy. Anyway, as I brought up earlier, without actually asking the officers, it is difficult for one to determine why the anglers on the pier were not checked.

Regarding compliance, the recreational fishery community is the only sector that always pushes for more enforcement. Despite of what you are witnessing, overall compliance in this community is rated good, according to the briefings done by those who are responsible in these management areas.

Violations are dealt with differently based on their severity. A family fishing with barbed hooks is usually not ticketed, instead they are told and barbs are pinched. Sometimes education is much more effective than enforcement. Patrolling officers use their judgement to decide on the anglers' intent. Most of the enforcement effort is allocated on violators who do the most damage on the resource. For example, the Steveston detatchment patrols on boats in Area 28 and 29 to catch crab poachers who take crabs in large quantity.

As for the RCMP officers, enforcing fishery regulations is not their priority. Some who have an angling background are keen to help whenever they can. For example, a couple of RCMP officers will work with the Steveston DFO officers during the upcoming pink salmon season along the shore in Richmond as it is an extremely popular fishery.

Popular access points such as piers are where you'll find entry level anglers because they are the easiest places to visit, therefore it shouldn't be a surprise to find some who are unaware of all the regulations that they should know. This can easily be solved by a friendly advice to those. If they take the advice, you've created more educated anglers. If they don't, a call to the enforcement agency is the best you can do.

Regarding anglers from different ethnic backgrounds, those who manage the areas are well aware of the communication issue and always try to improve it. Communication material in different languages on shellfish, salmon enhancement and other important topics has been published to cut down the learning curve.
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Re: License checks
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2007, 12:54:01 PM »
I have been checked twice in the last week or so on the chuck. The pulled up beside my boat and i handed them over my license.
Good to see them out.
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Re: License checks
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 02:00:45 PM »
Aren't we all asian, whether we have a Cauc or not!?

Lets not make this an issue of race!
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