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[Dave]

As usual, there is another side to the story that includes the information Morton leaves out:

http://www.salmonfarmers.org/sites/default/files/morton-chinook.pdf

Not only that, these folks have discovered the real reason for the demise of the sockeye:

[Dave]

oops, not sure what happened there but thanks absolon, you beat me to it.

[chris gadsden]

oops, not sure what happened there but thanks absolon, you beat me to it.

Good think he did or I would have to say, losing it too. Justin Bieber now enters the debate.

[absolon]

The correlation between Bieber and the salmon is easily as strong as the correlations Morton attempts to make.

Ms. Morton doesn't seem to have a grasp on the very basic idea that adding up half-truths doesn't result in the whole truth.

[Sandman]

The correlation between Bieber and the salmon is easily as strong as the correlations Morton attempts to make.

Ms. Morton doesn't seem to have a grasp on the very basic idea that adding up half-truths doesn't result in the whole truth.

While I do get your whole "correlation does not mean causation" argument, at some point you are going to have to accept that, because a strong correlation is a sign of a causal relationship (it may not be the only sign, but it is a sign, so that while not all correlations are causal, all causal relationships are correlated), the correlation between the arrival of open net salmon farms on the main coastal migration routes of wild salmon and the decline in productivity of wild salmon is more likely to be found to be a result of a causal relationship than is the birth of Justin Beiber and the decline of the wild salmon.  You should have just stuck to the correlation between the expansion of Alaska salmon ranching and the decline in productivity of wild salmon.  That correlation at least has a chance of being found to be causal in nature.

[Dave]

I've never bought in to the Bieber thing but I do know Chris retired about the same time as wild salmon began declining.  Coincidence?

[absolon]

A correlation is not a sign of a causal relationship. It is a sign of a potential causal relationship but in order to establish that relationship actually exists, causality must be demonstrated, not simply declared. Until that demonstration is done, Morton's declarations are no more valid than a declaration that Bieber's birth is causal to the decline of the runs

[absolon]

I've never bought in to the Bieber thing but I do know Chris retired about the same time as wild salmon began declining.  Coincidence?

Jeez....is he that good a fisherman?

[Dave]

Jeez....is he that good a fisherman?

Hell no.  I'm talking about the diseases on his tackle and living in his bait box

[absolon]

Maybe we should ask Ms. Morton to have it tested.

[chris gadsden]

Hell no.  I'm talking about the diseases on his tackle and living in his bait box

Now the attack centers on tackle you have now joined the others.  

Off to Victoria this week to continue the campaign there.

[chris gadsden]

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20120506/NEWS04/305060005/Wild-salmon-best-you-environment?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CPoughkeepsieJournal.com%7Cs

[absolon]

The Poughkeepsie journal?.............LOL!

[Bassonator]

The Poughkeepsie journal?.............LOL!

Too much Jersey Shore imho......