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[koifish]

whitch flys will work ? i got some but im not sure witch one will work thanks for help

[koifish]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79702975@N06/8109900971/in/photostream


links for the pics

[Chehalis_Steel]

Well I looked at the ones you have there but they look more like still water flies for trout to me. For Coho and Chum, with the low visibility and high water right now you really want some bigger streamer-type weighted flies. Personally, I prefer #6 Rolled Muddlers in white and green with bead heads to get them down. Green California Neals and olive wooly buggers in size 6 work well too. You can fish all these on a slow sink tip or intermediate tip line.

Another method that is really effective, especially when the water clears up a bit is glo-bugging. Floating line, big strike indicator, 2 or 3 good size split shot 18-22 inches from the fly, and a #6 glo-bug in pink or peach. This is actually a lot like float fishing, except with a fly rod. Less chance of spooking fish when the line hits the water though IMO.

You can google all these flies and methods to get more detailed info.

[HOOK]

IF your only after the chum then just tie up some decently sized Pink/Purple or solid Pink wooly bugger type flies. This is all i use color wise for chum, sometimes they might be smaller flies but usually the fly itself will be about 2" long.

 I usually just do mine with all rabbit, here is my recipe:

use a bead to get it down or wrap the front portion of the hook with lead
pink zonker strip cut the length of the hook your using, tie in just before the start of the hook bend
next tie in a purple cross cut strip, wrap forward to the bead or close to hook eye, tie off
next tie in 4 strands of pearl flashabou along each side of the fly, whip finish and done

no need to get fancy especially when chum teeth destroy flies so easily, we went through 6 flies on saturday alone 

[Every Day]

Less chance of spooking fish when the line hits the water though IMO.

I don't get it.

You just described a float fishing set up (a float, 3 split shot to a leader and a single egg patter), and you're telling me that it is stealthier to have a bright lime green fly line hit the water behind it, and drift along with it... rather than having clear line suspended off the water where it never even touches the water? Interesting...

Honestly, the only time fly fishing is actually stealthier than any other kind of fishing, is if you are running a 12+ foot flourocarbon leader to a clear line with a small fly. Even at these times I still don't think it is stealthier than any other given method on spooked fish. I have done multiple tests on the island where I had vantage points on school of coho and brought along float fishing gear, spoons/spinner, and a fly rod. I can tell you, spoons and spinners despite what most people may think spooked the fish the least and created more hook ups (IF you casted PAST the school). Float fishing was second, and fly lines got the fish to scatter 90% or more of the time and after that I never hooked a fish. Tried it in a bunch of different orders, always the same result. If you're gonna float fish, do it with a pin or baitcaster. If you wanna glo bug, do a nymphing style so it still feels like fly fishing.

Koi fish, I would recommend either buying or tying new flies. Best flies for coho in rivers (this is even the order of importance I would go): 1)Mickey finn 2)Flash Fly 3)Rolled Muddler Minnow 4)California Neils (aka coho bugger) 5)Kelsey's Hope

Chum... almost anything will work. The thing that never fails me is a chartreuse marabou intruder.

[Chehalis_Steel]

I don't get it.

You just described a float fishing set up (a float, 3 split shot to a leader and a single egg patter), and you're telling me that it is stealthier to have a bright lime green fly line hit the water behind it, and drift along with it... rather than having clear line suspended off the water where it never even touches the water? Interesting...

Honestly, the only time fly fishing is actually stealthier than any other kind of fishing, is if you are running a 12+ foot flourocarbon leader to a clear line with a small fly. Even at these times I still don't think it is stealthier than any other given method on spooked fish. I have done multiple tests on the island where I had vantage points on school of coho and brought along float fishing gear, spoons/spinner, and a fly rod. I can tell you, spoons and spinners despite what most people may think spooked the fish the least and created more hook ups (IF you casted PAST the school). Float fishing was second, and fly lines got the fish to scatter 90% or more of the time and after that I never hooked a fish. Tried it in a bunch of different orders, always the same result. If you're gonna float fish, do it with a pin or baitcaster. If you wanna glo bug, do a nymphing style so it still feels like fly fishing.

Of course any method can be done stealthily if done properly. Casting into the fish will spook them no matter what.  From what I've seen, I spook more fish in clear water when my float drifts over them (and they sometimes ignore the wool and take off) than when my strike indicator and tip of my fly line (with a long 12 ft fluorocarbon leader) drift over them when fishing with glo bugs, casting above the fish.  If you do fish like this your fly line rarely drifts over the fish if you make sure to fish drag free. I've actually had cutthroat come up and try to swallow my loonie sized indicator while fishing for coho. Maybe they like the color orange  To each his own though.

[Kype]

Floating lines are not coloured to the fish as they are in sillouette so they appear dark if they are solid coloured.  However many also now fish slow sink / intermediate lines which are clear (slime lines), this reduces the sollouette affect further.

The stealth factor has more to do with fishing correctly, i.e. getting the fly in at the head of a pool then working down methodically so the 1st thing the fish see is the fly.