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[Geff_t]

Trust me I know where you are coming from. I have worked for a school board for just over 13 years.

[chris gadsden]

 .  Was tols by one little S*&^ that I get paid to work at the school so then I should clean it up! We are working hard at developing the citizenship needed!  But when our kids see the litter all around town etc. how can we win!  But we will keep trying! 

This is where it has to start first at home and then at the schools then maybe the streets may become litter free, a hard task I know. Just like trying to deal with the flossing issue. That was a bit low I must admit. Had to mention that so as not to hyjack the thread.

[bigguy]

Iadmit I enjoy the f word!    But I can adapt.  I am going to give some of the local sports stores a call  and ask them how much of an impact it would have on their business if this fishery was done away with! I am very interested in this!

[chris gadsden]

Iadmit I enjoy the f word!    But I can adapt.  I am going to give some of the local sports stores a call  and ask them how much of an impact it would have on their business if this fishery was done away with! I am very interested in this!

It of course it is big business to them as they are doing very well with this sockeye opening as does most guide companies. This year would have been very good because of the month long opening. Many have expanded their business because of it, investing in more and bigger boats etc.. This now is one of the factors that keeps these opening going on.

Before the FVSS got these opening they got by without them but now rely on them in a big way.

[johnny]

Iadmit I enjoy the f word!    But I can adapt.  I am going to give some of the local sports stores a call  and ask them how much of an impact it would have on their business if this fishery was done away with! I am very interested in this!

It of course it is big business to them as they are doing very well with this sockeye opening as does most guide companies. This year would have been very good because of the month long opening. Many have expanded their business because of it, investing in more and bigger boats etc.. This now is one of the factors that keeps these opening going on.

Before the FVSS got these opening they got by without them but now rely on them in a big way.

I'm not so sure about that.. I work for one of the large guiding companies in the valley and we in no way ever rely on the sockeye opening for trips. As a matter of fact when we book around that time of year we don't "sell" it on sockeye. For one thing we never know when or if it will be open, so it would be rather deceptive to market a fishery that might not be available. Also, I don't know any guide that wouldn't prefer to employ "other methods" even when the sockeye are open.. we spent a number of full days bar fishing during the opening and most guides here ALWAYS switched to either bar fishing or sturgeon after the boat limit of sockeye were reached.

I bet there was no more than maybe 12 "last minute" trips we did based on the opening, and a lot of those were 1/2 days. We would be just as busy with or without the sockeye. Almost all of my coleagues bounce out of necessity, not necessarily choice. We would actually embrace a sockeye closure because lets face it, the river would remain empty compared to what it is like at the opening...

Other guiding companies however might advertise differently than us, but this is my experience.

Cheers!

[liketofish]

I don't doubt your comment, but fishing at Peg during sockeye opening, I have never seen so many guide boats either across us or racing up & down to their spots. Do we see that traffic now after the fishery is closed? Have not returned to bb for springs so others may have a better observation.

One point about the goodness of the sockeye fishery is that it is a HOT fishery right in the middle of summer with gorgeous weather within 1 hr from Vancouver. It therefore allows the whole family to partake of the fishery, even camping out as a family unit. Just think about whole family sitting around camp fires, eating delicious BBQ sockeyes and watching the stars. If sockeye migrates like coho, it will be too late & summer break is over for the children. Perfect timing of a fishery. You can't say that with any other fisheries. They are either too cold, or not productive enough, or take too much skill to catch a fish, a task reserved for the pros & the eliites.

The problem of littering is universal to human nature, with or without sockeye fishery. Leadbelly, to compare Peg or people fishing at Peg to the pig farm & the butcher is really at bit too much and an apology should be owed to those fishermen. 

I understand some will say this fishery is bad for kids to start and they will bring it to the smaller systems. Well, instead of shutting down the sockeye fishery, DFO should legislate leader length restriction in smaller systems. Fraser sockeye fishery should be given a special status as a 'food fishery' and bbing with longer leader allowed.

[chris gadsden]

I understand some will say this fishery is bad for kids to start and they will bring it to the smaller systems. Well, instead of shutting down the sockeye fishery, DFO should legislate leader length restriction in smaller systems. Fraser sockeye fishery should be given a special status as a 'food fishery' and bbing with longer leader allowed.

The problem is in a lot of cases in smaller systems like the Vedder they do use a short leader like you have suggested but it is combined with a float. You will notice the people have their float laying on its side and they accomplish the same thing, a flossing tactic.
In some cases the fish are holed up in smaller areas, not moving through like on the Fraser and it is just a matter of time that the line will go through their open mouth. Every year we get reports of this going on and some have reported it already on a couple of posts. More reports will come in and you will see it yourself when out on all local rivers.

Also take the time to go up to Tamihi Rapids when the main run is on and you will see this method I have described in full swing. The good thing FOC works under cover in this area and some tickets are issued for snagged fish being retained. But once one ticket is issued the cover can be broken.

Also last year during the later part of the steelhead season in the Vedder Canal area as well as the run below Lickman Road this method was used by a number of people. Two of the steelhead I got from people for the brood capture program had the hook on the outside of the mouth.

Unfortunately the sockeye opening has helped create this new fishing method on all our rivers which will be very difficult if not impossible to change now, unless anglers themselves do the changing.
 

[TrophyHunter]

Two things I would like to say in regards to this topic

#1   you are all bang on when you say it has to start at home !!!  I was raised with respect and taught to be respectful of others and I would never dream of throwing my trash on the ground and expect someone else to pick it up... it has nothing to do with the type of fishermen it has ecerything to do with jerks that have a complete lack of respect for the environment and all those around them.

#2  whoever it is that says guides employ other ways of catching Sockeye first HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  OMG thx for the laughs !!!!! this whole summer whether we were barfishing or Sturgeon fishing or bouncing for Sockeye we watched guide after guide after guide after guide set their clients up with BB gear.. we all know as a guide you have to make a living and 90% of guides will do whatever they need to to keep the clients happy.. I am not bashing anyone I am just saying what I have seen year after year on the Fraser !!

[Fish Assassin]

#2  whoever it is that says guides employ other ways of catching Sockeye first HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  OMG thx for the laughs !!!!! this whole summer whether we were barfishing or Sturgeon fishing or bouncing for Sockeye we watched guide after guide after guide after guide set their clients up with BB gear.. we all know as a guide you have to make a living and 90% of guides will do whatever they need to to keep the clients happy.. I am not bashing anyone I am just saying what I have seen year after year on the Fraser !!

Ditto

[johnny]

#2  whoever it is that says guides employ other ways of catching Sockeye first HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  OMG thx for the laughs !!!!! this whole summer whether we were barfishing or Sturgeon fishing or bouncing for Sockeye we watched guide after guide after guide after guide set their clients up with BB gear.. we all know as a guide you have to make a living and 90% of guides will do whatever they need to to keep the clients happy.. I am not bashing anyone I am just saying what I have seen year after year on the Fraser !!

Thick rick, you might want to re-read my post before you laugh at it... making a point about what I said is fine if you actually understood it in the first place.

What I did say was that the guides I know would PREFER to continue bar fishing, tossing spoons, sturgeon fishing etc OVER bottom bouncing. I never said guides have a magical way of catching sockeye other than BB'ing. Yes we do bottom bounce BUT don't continue to catch and release after everyone's limit has been attained. As for other guides continuing to C&R after everyone limits, that's their choice but one I am personally against.

As far as guides doing whatever it takes to keep people happy, they do exist but aren't very respected. If you go out and bounce when it is suggested by the DFO not to or when there is enough clarity to bar fish, or catch and release dozens of sockeye, you get noticed.. at least from my experience.

Keep laughing if you will but at least understand what it is you are laughing at.

[TrophyHunter]

I undertood exactly what you were saying, you said you and fellow guides that you know would employ all methods before resorting to BB for Sockeye, then in the following sentence you said that after catching your limit of sockeye you would switch over to Bar Rigs !!! 

If I was a guide I would do the same thing.. the fact is you still BB for sockeye
I have no problem with you as a guide getting clients into fish, I think it is a good thing

and I have no problem with the way you get into your fish as I partake in it a bit myself !!

I just found the way you wrote it quite funny