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bentrod

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Notes from my trip
« on: October 17, 2008, 10:37:17 PM »

Ok, I had the pleasure of visiting Chilliwack again this past week.  As usual, the trip was full of several memorable times.  I'm not really in the mood to write a novel, so instead, I'll puke out a bunch of random thoughts and short stories.
1)Tuesday morning...Water looks like diaper water.  Really bummed.  Fished hard, picked up a couple chum and a couple coho, but it was work.  I'm impressed with berkley big game 10 and 12 # leader.  I bent two hooks on a snag and the line did not break. 
2)Wednesday morning...water dropped and was in great condition, however, I couldn't believe all those people.  It seems like they're a little more bold than in the past years.  On several occasions, they would litterally stand within 5 feet of me.  You would think that if there's a small drift with 4 people in it, you'd keep on moving until you find somewhere a little less crowded.
3)Again, fishing seemed to be a little more difficult than the past years.  We did pick up a couple quality coho, but no springs.  Throughout the day, I kept thinking something was different than the previous 8 years then it hit me.  There were practically no carcasses in the river and the whole area did not smell like rotting fish.   ???  When I asked the guys at Freds how the fishing was, I was given the typical shop answer... fish are everywhere and everyone is slaying them.  When I mentioned the general lack of carcasses, they had no answer for me and almost ignored that statement. 
4)Wednesday evening..  After scouting around, we found a nice little flow and were all alone.  After hooking a few chum and a coho, we were immediately surrounded by people.  Where the H3!! did they come from.  We all noticed several people attempting to snag fish.  Their leaders were short, but they ended every short drift with a rip.  I asked one of the guys if he was actually getting bites on every cast.  He just looked at me and pretended not to understand me.  After bonking his chum, he left.
5)Thursday.  Water looked even better, but I think there's even more people if that is possible.  We did quite well on chum and coho, but still no springs.  It was very weird not seeing anyone even snag a spring. 
6) It's amazing that anyone can afford gear in Canada.  IMO, the shops there are very proud of their merchandise.
7) Thursday night.  We went back to the flow we were at on Wednesday night.  This time it was dead.  We did enjoy tormenting some people trying to snag fish.  We also witnessed a couple people bonking 3 chum.  We laid into them and called DFO.  Needless to say no one showed up, but at least we gave them a verbal beating they won't soon forget.  At least we shamed them off the river.  We soon got discuraged and left the hole also and went back to a drift below the campground.  Landed a couple more coho.
8) Friday morning.  Fished a half hour or so and knew it was time to go back to our families. 

We chose to fish the water below vedder crossing.  The people I fished with did not like small pool fishing and hate donating gear every other fish.  I would also rather hook a fish where I could play it and have a reasonable chance of landing it without horsing it out with 50 lb. braid.  Did not see a single spring below vedder crossing all week.   ???

All in all, it was a great trip.  A little bummed no springs in hand, but a cooler with lots of coho is also nice.  Hanging with good friends, crushing some beer, eating great food, catching a few fish and returning home healthy and safe with stories to tell.     

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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 08:43:32 AM »

With lots of people struggling to get coho it seems you did quite well with them.
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 09:48:47 AM »

BENTROD
The majority of springs have moved through the lower river and are now starting to spawn. Lots of snagging going on just below the hatchery. Coho numbers are down from last year
and we do not expect a good return. It sounds like you did OK on coho considering the lower numbers. We have had about 2700 coho back to the hatchery so far and thats down
from past years. Chinook numbers are strong with 5500 so far entering the hatchery.
Snagging seems to be right out of control and it is difficult as you have mentioned to get away from the masses to fish in relative peace. I have been asking anglers how snagging is going
and the come back is at least we are catching fish. You can't even embarrass some of these guys.
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 11:06:29 AM »

We did our best to discourage the snagging that was taking place in the holes we fished.  I know it's not the smartest thing to do always, but we had numbers and didn't pick on the ones that looked like they were packing.  We really gave them a hard time if they kept a snagged fish. 

As far as the numbers goes...Where are all the carcasses that littered the shores in the past?  Just seems odd.  A year or two ago, you had to work not to reel back in too quickly or you'd accidentally snag a fish, definitely not this year.  I've always tried to shoot for the 15th of October to maximize my chances of catching fish.  Should I be shooting for a week or two earlier? 

I'm not complaining.  We did well, especially on coho.  But, I'm concerned that a history of snagging, gravel exploitation, and other mismanagement of the system has tipped the scales against the fish populations. 
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 12:33:09 PM »

great report...i hear ya chrome kings
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 12:36:16 PM »

There aren't as many carcasses out there this year for sure. I don't think coming earlier would have made your trip any better unless you wanted more springs. Could be the run is just coming slower this year or it's just a poor year.
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 01:42:45 PM »

It really is a shame that questionable fishing methods and lack of ethics are missing from some fishermen that frequent the Vedder. Unless enforcement picks up, the problem can only get worse. I have fished rivers up North, and never see the crap I unfortunately get to see on the Vedder River.  Pretty soon its going to get to the point, where if you tell folks you learned to river fish for salmon on the Vedder, they are going to lump you in with the rest of the slob fishermen and snaggers.
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Re: Notes from my trip
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2008, 05:03:40 PM »

BENTROD
You are correct, there are fewer carcasses this year due to the low returns of coho and chum. Summer chinook were weaker than normal while fall whites appear strong.
Returning coho jacks are showing much better than last year while white chinook jacks are low. Both are good indicators for returns in 2009.
It appears that the fall whites were about a week earlier than normal and this is why you missed them in the lower river. Lots in the upper river but are colored and
starting to spawn.
One of our indicator streams for early coho was walked on Friday and only 1 fish was observed. Hopefully the fish are a little late.




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