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[Novabonker]

http://www.pacificsalmonforum.ca/final/BCPSFFinRptqSm.pdf

Some items of common sense, some I'm not so sure about.

[work2fish]

Gotta love that even the Pacific salmon forum says lice are an issue that needs to be managed, even though they weighted the forum with a politican/lawyer, a aquaculture biologist, an aquaculture marketer, a salmon farmer, a fishing guide/ fish farm hatchery worker, a politican that sat on the board of fisheries and aquaculture, and maybe an eco friendly chairman? Though I'm assuming if it is an eco friendly chair that he didn't pick the other members of the forum?

Reading the document, you really hear the PR spin on the "uncertainty" and public being mis-informed on lice and fish farming, with the old "some" scientists still diagreee B.S.. Sure some scientists will say lice effects are still uncertain, you'll also find scientsist that feel global warming is B.S., and sasquatch and the loch ness monsters are real.

From the report: "Set performance based indicators for farmed salmon production and support a coordinated area management approach in the Broughton Archipelago beginning in 2009
Rationale: Based on interim research results in the Broughton, the Forum has reached the following conclusions: »» No more than 3% of juvenile wild pink and chum salmon of less than 0.5 grams should have more than one pre-adult or later stage L. salmonis between March 1 and May 31, based on the estimated natural background of lice in the Broughton"

Sounds promising.  Mortons work originally looked at mortality of fish <1.4g, so I wonder if the <.5g, makes this still worthwhile or if it's a smoke screen.  Are the salmon even that small still at that timing?  And why not monitor till the end of migration at the end of June, especially since ocean temps are not as stable as they once were?

Hopefully the report gets used, though they are all just recomendations I'm sure will be watered down or fought against in court f the farmers don't like the new measures since they can probably argue that the province has no jurisdiction on ocean policy, only the fed.

[chris gadsden]

I guess this report is a start of changing things but correct me if I am wrong but look at all the problems fish farms have caused on wild fish stocks where they have been long before we had them in British Columbia.


All they have to see what has happened in Chile and Scotland for example. Isn't there enough evidence there to say they should be closed down. It seems simple to me but maybe thats the trouble, its too simple and we need to spend a lot of money and years to come up with a report.

[work2fish]

I guess this report is a start of changing things but correct me if I am wrong but look at all the problems fish farms have caused on wild fish stocks where they have been long before we had them in British Columbia.


All they have to see what has happened in Chile and Scotland for example. Isn't there enough evidence there to say they should be closed down. It seems simple to me but maybe thats the trouble, its too simple and we need to spend a lot of money and years to come up with a report.

Your right the answer is simple and a bit of common sense gives you a quick cause and effect, especially as you point out given the info on what happened in Chile and Scotland.  Add the studies by Morton, and other biologists, farms=more lice=more dead juv. fish, and its a total no brainer. 

The report is just an excuse for the politicians to say they are addressing the issue, while not doing anything for a few more years.  This appeases their "constituents" aka the industry guys who donate the most money for campains and can offer employment to the politicians once they leave office. 

Theres a funny consulting saying: If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.  Unfortunately it also applies to politicians and the money they get from industry's lobbyist while in office as campain contributions, and once out of office in "consulting" roles.

[chris gadsden]

I had posted this on another forum and I have copied it to here.



I can not believe it took 4 years to complete this. How many years would it take to implement all this then? By that time it will be too late, all they had to do if they were serious about this was to look at what happened to wild salmon and trout stocks where fish farms were in countries like Scotland and Chile. Is this because of an BC election is only a few months away and they hope they can buy more time to say they are going to correct things, by 2012 I believe it was, by then they can govern the same way for another term. Please tell me I am wrong and being too negative with these thoughts.

Further Alexander Morton has been trying to tell them of the damage fish farms have been doing for many years, they just donot want to listen. Hopefully the class action suit may change this as it may be the only way to go.

We battle the same problems with this gravel mining on the Fraser they also donot want to listen about the damage it to is doing to fish habitat or for that matter be transparent about the process at all.

Now the Fraser River Gravel Stewardship Comittee that has been dealing with this issue for a couple of years now has have been told they have to file through Freedom of Information Act to get any further information. Well we know BC has been named the second worse province in Canada to get the information this way.

Sorry to get off topic but I believe all these issues tie together in my mind when we, as concerned citizen of this Province try the best we can to protect what is left of a precious renewable resource, our wild salmon, trout and sturgeon stocks. 
   

[redside1]

this report is why we need to question all of those that are running for election and re-election on May 12 what their personal and party opinion is on this subject. Why give your vote to some one that is ill informed or not caring about the fishing lifestyle that those on this board enjoy? It's time to hold government to task on issues like this.

[Novabonker]

Shell game or 5 card monty anyone?

The provincial government does not have the authority to regulate fish farms, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled this afternoon.

Justice Christopher Hinkson ruled that the federal government has jurisdiction over oceans and should therefore be responsible for regulating fish farms. He also ruled that fish farms on provincial land (also called land-based or closed containment fish farms) should not be regulated by the province.

Hinkson suspended his decision for one year to give Ottawa a chance to bring in new legislation and shift licensing to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

[work2fish]

Shell game or 5 card monty anyone?

The provincial government does not have the authority to regulate fish farms, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ruled this afternoon.

Justice Christopher Hinkson ruled that the federal government has jurisdiction over oceans and should therefore be responsible for regulating fish farms. He also ruled that fish farms on provincial land (also called land-based or closed containment fish farms) should not be regulated by the province.

Hinkson suspended his decision for one year to give Ottawa a chance to bring in new legislation and shift licensing to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

Here's a media release: http://www.huffstrategy.com/MediaManager/release/Adopt-a-Fry-Campaign/9-2-09/One-for-the-wild-salmon---BC-Supreme-Court-delivers-ruling-in-fis/1521.html