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[Easywater]

Weren't you guys whining because of the abuse you were getting on another board?

You say that you appreciate that no one is doing that here but it appears that you are now the ones giving out personal abuse.

[AnnieP]

"while misguided fish activists play fast and loose with the facts."


As apposed to what the fish farming industry does ? If fish farming was an oil pipeline we would be knee deep in the hoopla. Just saying and not really wanting to go down that road again. On the bright side some stores are now getting "with it" and selling land based farmed fish. But I know there will be those that still like their dirty net based farmed salmon. It takes a while to withdraw from the SLICE. They say it's a worse withdrawl than cigs and crack.

You might want to check out those sorry looking land based coho Jimmy P is selling in saveon. Saw them a couple of days ago. Wafer thin fillets a little too red in colour for coho and some whole head on far from even being harvest size curled up in a bag and somewhat freezer burnt. Sorry like you said some of us will keep our ocean grown fish thanks. Do we grow beef on the water ?

[EZ_Rolling]

not that I would eat any type of farmed salmon but I would pay double for a land based coho rather than a ocean pen Atlantic if thats all that was left.

Because you know all the wild ones are going to die off anyways so we better be the first to jump on the profits.

still can't get over that response

[Sandman]

So basically its only fish farms that harm sockeye, commies are ok as are sporties...gimme a break. Commmies and sporties do target them ...on their return.

Studies have shown that the productivity (adults produced per spawner) of Sockeye is not the problem, the problem lies somewhere between the smolt stage and the return as spawners.  Let's not forget, we want to save the wild salmon so we can catch them, not just to watch the spawn and take photos and such, (although there are tourism dollars in that too).  Wild salmon are a part of the psyche of British Columbians. This is why people fight so passionately for it.  It is not just about saving jobs and economic prosperity.  It is about preserving a way of life and a part of our cultural identity.  There is no love affair with a farm grown salmon.

[shuswapsteve]

Studies have shown that the productivity (adults produced per spawner) of Sockeye is not the problem, the problem lies somewhere between the smolt stage and the return as spawners.  Let's not forget, we want to save the wild salmon so we can catch them, not just to watch the spawn and take photos and such, (although there are tourism dollars in that too).  Wild salmon are a part of the psyche of British Columbians. This is why people fight so passionately for it.  It is not just about saving jobs and economic prosperity.  It is about preserving a way of life and a part of our cultural identity.  There is no love affair with a farm grown salmon.

Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum).  It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser.  Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners.  What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between.  However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life.  Studies this year have been directed to help address this.

[alwaysfishn]

Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum).  It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser.  Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners.  What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between.  However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life.  Studies this year have been directed to help address this.

This the phase that they swim past the feedlots isn't it?   

[shuswapsteve]

This the phase that they swim past the feedlots isn't it?  

lol

It's the phase where they swim past many things.  Even those Fraser Sockeye that returned in 2010.  Pink salmon also swim by salmon farms also.  How are their numbers doing these days?  Any extinction going on?  I like your type of research....If they are swimming by them it must be them that's causing the problems.  Let's forget trying to find out more.  You're funny.

[alwaysfishn]

lol

It's the phase where they swim past many things.  Even those Fraser Sockeye that returned in 2010.  Pink salmon also swim by salmon farms also.  How are their numbers doing these days?  Any extinction going on?  I like your type of research....If they are swimming by them it must be them that's causing the problems.  Let's forget trying to find out more.  You're funny.

Stating "that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life" and then dismissing the feedlots as a possible cause is neither funny, nor is it good science.

[Sandman]

Sockeye productivity (recruits per spawner) is a big problem as identified by a most recent paper by Peterman and Dorner 2012 (posted already on another thread in this forum).  It is also widespread - not just limited to the Fraser.  Recruits are the resulting adult returns from spawners.  What you and Bassonator are describing are parts in between.  However, I do agree that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life.  Studies this year have been directed to help address this.

Thanks Steve, that is what I was trying to get at, that the sockeye themselves are "producing" enough recruits, but those recruits are not returning in corresponding numbers.  There is definitely a problem somewhere in the marine phase.

[shuswapsteve]

Stating "that a big part of the problem lies in the marine phase - likely early marine life" and then dismissing the feedlots as a possible cause is neither funny, nor is it good science.

You definitely know quite a bit about "good science".

Yes, and it happens to be the "Norwegian" strain of the virus, and it's been found in a Cultus lake trout.

Not a lot of guessing to conclude that a Cultus lake sockeye swam past an ocean based salmon feedlot, picked up the virus and carried it back to Cultus.....  Interesting that CFIA is not planning on testing for that particular virus.

Seems as though you have it all figured out.  Thanks for calling me out...lol.