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[casinoJim]

I assume you'll want pictures of people with differing heritages whom also live in poverty as well or are we under the assumption that only native people live in poverty?

No not at all ... why ? you ask ...because the griping on this site is almost always about the FN fishing issues.

I have not seen any complaints about how the Hungarians are fishing... I do know some Hungarian immigrants that are living in extreem poverty. Their plight while heartbreaking just is not relevant in this thread.

THE POINT was that the tax free living conditions ( for the FN people ) aint no picinic.
CJ.

[casinoJim]

Poverty aint no picinic... been there done that!

Some one was complaining about the Tax free living of the FN people.

tsuribaka has some frustration about this misconception and pointed out that the tax free status is only for those status FN people living on the reserve, working on the reserve. Then pointed out that many of these people are living grinding poverty conditions.

I suggested that  that some pictures of the FN poverty might slow some of the critisisms about their "tax free "
lifestyle.

O.K. ?
CJ.

[Nina]

P.S. If not paying taxes makes someone feel left out, I would quite enjoy feeling left out

Do you really wanna be exempted from paying tax? I would feel like I was stealing from the society and not giving back if I wasn’t paying any tax. Sure, there are a few problems but do you want Canada to end up like the states?
I always thought Canadians didn’t pay that much tax, but that is just an assumption; what is the tax rate in Canada anyway?  

[casinoJim]

It is still besides the point, it's like showing pictures of living conditions of people who actually choose to live on welfare rather than go get a job.  It is their choice.  If I chose to pack it all up and go live off the land in some isolated area with zero income (nevermind a low non-taxable income) would you be feeling sorry for me?  Save your compassion for people who don't have a choice.

Choice is a funny thing ... do we really have as much choice as we think??

Lets say you had the courage to excercise your "choice" to go and live off the land some where.

How much tax would you be paying on the nuts and berries you could scrounge?

I think the personal excemption is around $6700 before you would need to pay income tax if you could find work in the isolated area of your choice.

Feel sorry for you ?? (I never used those words by the way!) and no I would not feel sorry for you... might admire you a bit !

"Save your compassion for people who don't have a choice."

Immature statement here...  gmanfxp This world needs more not less compassion.

And it is not "beside the point" its my point I'm entitled to it! Maybe you should try to understand me... and my point!

Back to your cold "compassion" statement...and your righteous "choice" statements... Do you propose the FN people, in light of your statements , leave their poverty and become your neighbour?


CJ.

[casinoJim]

P.S. If not paying taxes makes someone feel left out, I would quite enjoy feeling left out

Do you really wanna be exempted from paying tax? I would feel like I was stealing from the society and not giving back if I wasn’t paying any tax.

My issue with tax in Canada is the constant missuse and "missplacement" of funds. Billions and Billions. One could say "well right your MP!" or "vote the offending party out"!

They are all the same... the different politicians and political parties just take turns at the public troughs,raping the Canadian public of their funds.

Aint nothing effective you or I could do about it.

CJ

Look at me! hijacking my own thread!!

edit; woops sorry birdnester!

[casinoJim]

Hmmm I doubt you can understand my point.

“Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism” (Hubert H. Humphrey)

Good old H.H.H might though!

Sure anyone could be your neighbour, but in light of your attitude, should they be?
CJ.

Are you really sure they " put themselves in their situation?" Bold statement.

[fishin_chick]

Part of the problem exists in the fact that there are people with very biased opinions of what FN people are like.  With attitudes that portray them as lazy, tax avoiding individuals who should "get a job", how do they get one?  There are many out there, who are hesitant to hire someone who is impoverished to begin with.  They walk into a workplace with the best clothes they own.  They still look, pretty shabby.  Perhaps they are not educated very well.  But they can't afford to go to school and not work.  Thus the circle continues, and they get stuck in minimum wage jobs, end up not making enough to make ends meet, so they live on the reserve, where they are tax exempt???  Not everyone can choose to be successful, I dont think people choose to be poor.  Lets face it, it doesnt really matter wether you are black white Fn japanese chinese, mixed race whatever, there are going to be a few minority idiots who make their own people look bad. The key is to remembering that not everyone is like that.  It's like saying all people who fish for sockeye in the upper fraser are part of the GONG SHOW.  Not true.  I have fished many a day, where everyone above and below me are polite, and courteous.  I have seen people lend others their gear.  Help out newbies.  thank eachother for moving when someone has a huge fish on that is out of control.  I have seen the idiots too, but really, they are far and few in between, and I refuse to think that all are like that.  thats my 2 cents.  (see Rodney, I'm not lurking!!! )

[casinoJim]

Well put fishin_chick !

When I was living in poverty this was not my choice!

There are a lot of factors that contribute to where we are in life ... not all of these factors are chosen.

I guess my main wish is for people to see that our perspective is rarely a 360 degree all encompassing truth.

True empathy, compassion, discussion with all parties involved would get us closer to that understanding. This is one reason why I am hoping to see some FN posters.

I am often humbled by a clearer perception as I get older. Makes me a little more cautious and open minded.

CJ.

[Fish Assassin]

Very well articulated fishin_chick !

[otto]

WELL SAID!!!