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jettabambino

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Capilano River Snaggers
« on: November 06, 2021, 09:28:35 PM »

Took the dog for a walk today at the Cap... My good god.  Cable Pool and up to the boundary full of fishermen.  I ended up calling the RAPP line.  80 percent of the guys fishing were snagging.  It was ridiculous.... They were casting directly across the river and ripping the line in as fast as they could.  big chunks of weight on the line with a hook and some yarn.  counted a few guys pulling them in by the tail. 

I understand that the conservation officers can't be anywhere but when I called I actually got voicemail.  no call back.   it sucked.

come on guys... don't be clowns...if you can't catch them by legal means then maybe its time to try harder or take up a new sport...
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2021, 10:00:55 PM »

we should  be making videos of these guys and posting on youtube / whatever hashtag #rapp #snaggers or something.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2021, 10:04:09 PM »

Was also there from 7-9am this morning. Was absolutely disgusted with all the clowns with a jig or weight tied to wool (no float) just pulling when the weight hit the ground, so I left to fish the canyons where I didn't have to see these idiots. I counted, there were ~15 guys cable pool and including my friend and I, 4 anglers were fishing legitimately. Also called the dfo hotline, but no pickup so left a message. People were also keeping foul hooked fish on the rock closest to the boundary. Probably never going back to cable pool so I don't have to witness these clowns again.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2021, 10:24:19 PM »

Maybe they have a certain status card that allows them to harvest fish in that manner.
Seen them on the Vedder, too, using weighted treble hooks.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2021, 10:38:07 PM »

Took the dog for a walk today at the Cap... My good god.  Cable Pool and up to the boundary full of fishermen.  I ended up calling the RAPP line.  80 percent of the guys fishing were snagging.  It was ridiculous.... They were casting directly across the river and ripping the line in as fast as they could.  big chunks of weight on the line with a hook and some yarn.  counted a few guys pulling them in by the tail. 

I understand that the conservation officers can't be anywhere but when I called I actually got voicemail.  no call back.   it sucked.

come on guys... don't be clowns...if you can't catch them by legal means then maybe its time to try harder or take up a new sport...

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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2021, 10:38:28 PM »

Negative on the status card. I attempted to film but one of the guys who definitely looked and spoke middle eastern saw me and pointed at me to his friend.

I feel I did what I could
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2021, 01:53:46 AM »

Maybe they have a certain status card that allows them to harvest fish in that manner.
Seen them on the Vedder, too, using weighted treble hooks.


Yup.....they (snaggers) are everywhere these days especially with the explosion/popularity of jigging past several years, and the Vedder is about as bad as it gets for snagging by jiggers. I would guesstimate that at least half the gear guys now use jig setups at any given time from what I've seen. That said, I'm not so sure the majority of the snagging is intentional at least on the Vedder....but unintentional or not,  I have also noticed the majority of jiggers just reefing their rigs through schools of resting fish and snagging the majority of them that they hook....so draw your own conclusions as to intent. I thought jigging was meant to be more like twitching as in "twitching a jig" as opposed to reefing.....unfortunately I see only a very few jiggers actually "twitching" which by my observation actually tends to fair-hook them more often than not.

I observed one kid the other day come in to a section where few fish were being hooked, he proceeds to fan-cast the whole section....he instantly began hooking fish seemingly every few casts (obviously dredging bottom in the process)....however out of about 10 fish he landed only 2 were observed to be fair-hooked....all of which he released but that also included 2 hatch which were foul hooked so   ::)...the guy seemed like an ok guy, basically following the rules by returning his foul hooked fish and wilds but it sure put a damper on the couple fly guys and others that were in the area with this guy fan-casting with reckless abandon to boot without any regard to any ethics what so ever (a conversation for another day).....that said he did seem friendly enough when he was chatting with another guy.

I rarely fish gear anymore (probably less than 1% of the time)....and I don't have any issue with gear guys using jigs cuz done properly it is definitely effective in hooking them, fair or foul. However, I have noticed though that with the very high numbers of wilds that I personally have released back, a good number of them have gash/strafe marks on their bodies these days, most likely from being snagged by the plethora of reefing jiggers.

I'm not sure what can be done about minimizing the rampant snagging (accidental or not), short of amending the regulations to perhaps include something like jigs can only be used in conjunction with a float/bobber ??? and/or with the jig no further than say 6 feet below the float ??? and/or in certain bodies of water ??? I dunno what if anything could/should be done to minimize harm to the fish etc..... but if anyone can influence improving the survival of the spawners and the fishing experience itself for non-jiggers, I guess this is as good a forum as any to start eh Rodney ?
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2021, 09:11:40 AM »

Twitching jigs can certainly be a very effective way to catch salmon, especially coho. However, if the jig is foul hooking several fish, then it's time to change up tactics. Use a lighter jig, start the retrieve right away - do anything to decrease the depth of the jig to avoid foul hooking. If that fails, stop jigging. Use a different method/presentation.

Even if a person is following the rules and releasing foul hooked fish, one needs to realize that foul hooking that many fish is not good for the fish. It also is not good for the other anglers as the coho will get spooked. This happened to Stratocaster and myself on the Chilliwack (one of Milo's favorite spots). It was mid-day and I hooked half a dozen coho in about a half hour on roe. We switched up to beads and continued to catch coho. Then one guy steps in with a jig and starts to foul hook coho. After foul hooking at least 20 coho, the bite turned off and the game was over. We tried to politely suggest that the angler switch up to a different technique but he ignored us. Plus his friends were all doing the same thing.

As for the Cap, you guys did what you could. Call DFO or RAPP (I think RAPP may be Provincial - but they should refer the matter to DFO who has jurisdiction over salmon - Rodney could clarify?). As for social media shaming - be cautious as a potential violent confrontation is not worth the effort.  Do a "dynamic risk assessment" and make the call - as jettabambino did.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2021, 01:29:51 PM »

A whole bunch of guys were dipping yesterday at the slab, and most of the fish were foul hooked and drugged onto the rocks to unhook. I saw a few wild cohos drugged onto the rocks too. All fish they kept were foul hooked. It's fucking annoying!
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2021, 02:12:53 PM »

what's super annoying also is that I called... and got a voicemail.  and then got no call back
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2021, 02:16:13 PM »

I looked in on the Cap. today and there were about a dozen fishermen at the cable pool.  About half were pushing the rules and yanking their rig thru the pool.  One fellow had his rig pared down to a weight and a bare hook, not even trying to look like following the rules. Not quite the Kenai fly approach but close.

The water was high so relatively few places to fish.

Catching a fish was a team exercise.  The man with the rod and fish scrambled to a rocky promontory about 40 feet above the river while a man with a net scrambled around the back of the rock and down to the river to net the fish.

I saw one fairly bright chinook landed but most were coho gone past brick red, long past fixing with a touch of smoke IMHO.   Good for putting under your roses I guess.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2021, 06:28:52 PM »

I’ve seen this at the cable pool lots.   But mostly with a massive treble hook rapped with pencil lead.   But don’t forgot.   Most are First Nations.   I bet the dfo and conservation officers don’t even want to waste the gas to go and get shown a status card.  Don’t forgot there are lots of blue eyed and blonde hair First Nation.       My good friend is one   Haha. 
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2021, 06:40:56 PM »

Would you rather DFO protect a wild run or 99.9% hatchery run that's already got their brood stock at this time of year? 
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2021, 08:20:47 PM »

I’ve seen this at the cable pool lots.   But mostly with a massive treble hook rapped with pencil lead.   But don’t forgot.   Most are First Nations.   I bet the dfo and conservation officers don’t even want to waste the gas to go and get shown a status card.  Don’t forgot there are lots of blue eyed and blonde hair First Nation.       My good friend is one   Haha. 

Of the ones I saw Saturday, a fair amount of them were of asian descent, so I think it would be a safe bet to say they aren't First Nations.
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Re: Capilano River Snaggers
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2021, 08:32:51 PM »

Of the ones I saw Saturday, a fair amount of them were of asian descent, so I think it would be a safe bet to say they aren't First Nations.
Yeah, bingo.
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