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how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« on: March 26, 2006, 04:11:42 PM »

I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these...i never knew they even existed till last night, i was on a washington fly fishing site and they were talking about these. The company is out of Montana, they aren't cheap, look to be around $1.000 so pretty much up there with the higher end toons and prams...
I like a lot about what you can do with these...as you can see you can stand in them in the shallow water, you can control the drift of your boat with your fins as well. They have assesories that you can make your's with a floor if wanted, you can put a motor mount for both gas and electric on it and an anchor system. Standard model has a 500 pound capacity.
Anyone seen one of these before??? Damnest things i've seen and i think an excellent alternative to a pontoon boat, also much lighter, easily packed in etc. the website for them is www.kickboat.com, they are called watermasters...
I'm about 95% convinced this will be my new float boat...


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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2006, 04:15:36 PM »

Yeah, but will it carry your golf clubs?  ;) Looks like a pretty sweet rig...
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2006, 04:32:45 PM »

I would take a water master over a pontoon any day.....
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2006, 04:40:16 PM »

for $10, you can have my old vinyl 2-person inflatable "GI Joe" boat from Canadian Tire, looks the same- just cut the bottom out half of it and paint over the yellow!     $1000???  :o wow, pretty pricey for a vinyl raft on steroids!  ;)

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2006, 05:06:58 PM »

would take a pontoon over that. Cant put a motor on that one
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2006, 05:52:20 PM »

those look fairly interesting , are they available in a Multi Chamber set up ?

I have been looking for a alternative for my Old doughnut belly boat , And have strongly considered a 8' Pontoon Boat ,But the weight and time consuming setup and break down of a Pontoon Has me rethinking the idea . I don't think i can kick fins any more (knee injuries ) and the oars are they only way to go .Although i have also considered the new "higher riding" PonTUBES  . . Decisions , Decisions ....
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2006, 06:30:48 PM »

those look fairly interesting , are they available in a Multi Chamber set up ?

I have been looking for a alternative for my Old doughnut belly boat , And have strongly considered a 8' Pontoon Boat ,But the weight and time consuming setup and break down of a Pontoon Has me rethinking the idea . I don't think i can kick fins any more (knee injuries ) and the oars are they only way to go .Although i have also considered the new "higher riding" PonTUBES  . . Decisions , Decisions ....

kind of the same thing here, the idea of the set up and packing it in (pontoon) is what made me stop and reconsider. I was going to have a pontoon and a belly boat, this covers both worlds. You can buy an option which is a floor for yours and not have to kick, they like the kick part as it allows you to control the drift but it would work either way...as far as i can read or watch the videos at the website, this looks like it kicks a pontoons butt...

It was one of these or a buck bag pontoon...

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2006, 06:37:13 PM »

Yeah, but will it carry your golf clubs?  ;) Looks like a pretty sweet rig...

My clubs have been used for hanging my deer and badger capes on lately...guess i gotta get motivated some day and bust um out again...maybe ill become a sandbagger from now on..they seem to win all the coin...and my 0.5 handicap is about to become a 9 i think... ::) yeah then i might have a chance the way I've not been practicing

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2006, 07:29:28 PM »

took out again the wm(lost this part oops)   , a foot pump and rod holder. I have a Griz and a Kodiak, and they're not even in the same league as pontoon boats. These are simply the best single-person inflatables ever conceived of or produced. The bigger Kodiak is capable of running Class IV rapids (witnessed it but never been ballsy enough to do it myself), or keep you comfortable for hours on high mountain lakes. I've floated both boats scores of times on the rivers of western Montana, and have hiked a paired down boat loaded into my internal frame pack miles into alpine lakes (~40 pounds really isn't a big pack for those used to backcountry big-game hunting or longterm backpacking trips). I've done multi-day float trips on the Smith and Bitterroot rivers of Montana and found both boats (put buddies on the smaller Griz) have enough cargo room to hold whatever is needed (including cases of PBR). The complaint of not being able to move the boat effectively with the fins -- try moving a pontoon with fins at all... Anyway, I don't want to rant too much -- Rich and Kevin (at the WaterMaster home) out in Missoula are also super helpful and more than willing to talk about the craft. Plus they fish, and are constantly on the water refining the boats. Nearly every conceivable extra is available, and for those of you thinking about floating them regularly -- I recommend the hardseat bracket for mounting a nice padded boat seat -- really improves the ride. Can't say enough about these boats -- PVC -- lasts forever, really just the best... A couple other things I just noticed rereading the other posts -- WM makes a nice stripping apron to handle the line and a gear pocket mesh clip-on thingy that goes right up front within reach. The anchor mount drops off the back of the boat and the boys at WM will secure a clip to drop and pull it next to your butt on the seat platform (easy to access). Again, the hardseat bracket is irreplaceable and allows mounting of a 'real' boat seat for hours of comfort (or a rowing seat driftboat style). The valves will inflate two ways -- either open or closed, so there's no need to leave the valve open when pumping (no outrushing air). They now make handles to clip on the front and rear to allow you and your fishing partner to haul a fully loaded boat up the bank. I had the WM guys add some d-rings, and bought an ATV cargo net which nicely covers the rear deck. Did I mention that they have camo extras and that these boats are awesome for duck hunting?... I keep adding things -- these boats are built to length for your inseam -- eliminating the need for a closer footstrap. You probably floated the standard version (designed for 6-footers). Shorter versions can be made, and d-rings can be added to standards to allow closer clipping of the footstrap. Last thing to add -- battery capacity does not affect high-speed inflation potential, but the boat will float well when not fully filled. The foot pumps put something like 5-6 pounds in the boats, the high-speeds closer to 3. Some major high-speed systems (shop-style) will put 10-12 pounds in and the boat holds it fine. I find that if the water is particularly cold or I'll be out late and the temp changes it's nice to top it off with the footy. Plus I'm not small and all the buoyancy helps. Conversely the standard mountain morning warm definitely adds pressure. They're awesome boats...

The above is a review i read on wash. fly fishing forum..more food for thought.

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2006, 10:35:11 AM »

those do sound like the best alternative to a 12' alluminium boat/motor , but the cost is just a bit outa my range. I was lookin at entry level pontoons($400-$600) but after reading all the some mixed reviews , I have since decided against them . I think the pontoons are best suited for small river fishing , not still water lakes .
These boats however are just what i want but sadly will have to wait . :'(
I believe i am going to have to give the new "PonTUBES" a try , maybe since I would sit higher up in the water(needed since i only have breathables now ) and they are much more "streamlined" in design aswell , they will probably be much easier to kick .

But if i do hope to gain as much info about the above mentioned kickboats , are there local suppliers in BC ? or just US distributors ? .
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2006, 03:53:26 PM »

those do sound like the best alternative to a 12' alluminium boat/motor , but the cost is just a bit outa my range. I was lookin at entry level pontoons($400-$600) but after reading all the some mixed reviews , I have since decided against them . I think the pontoons are best suited for small river fishing , not still water lakes .
These boats however are just what i want but sadly will have to wait . :'(
I believe i am going to have to give the new "PonTUBES" a try , maybe since I would sit higher up in the water(needed since i only have breathables now ) and they are much more "streamlined" in design aswell , they will probably be much easier to kick .

But if i do hope to gain as much info about the above mentioned kickboats , are there local suppliers in BC ? or just US distributors ? .

I went to there website and checked out dealers and they say there are some in bc and Van. go to www.kickboat.com and see what it says, i'm hoping i can find a used one maybe..i'm hearing that they might be back ordered a few months...i will be getting one of these if possible so i'll let you all know how it turns out..

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2006, 05:40:29 PM »

Seen they three years ago, even got the promo vidieo. Great idea and I plan on building my own out of an old two man raft.
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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 09:49:18 PM »

Sold my loft & lie machine so was able to order one of these today, was a hard choice between the grizzly and Kodiak but as i don't plan on any week long excursions in mine i went with the grizzly. Pretty good guys to talk to etc. They are doing a 10% off deal right now so i was able to order what i wanted plus some extras and ended up paying what one would have cost originally..Still a lot of coin though...When i get it ill take some pic's and seeing as i fish so much up there maybe hook up with some of you if you want to see it in action.

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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2006, 04:24:05 AM »

those do sound like the best alternative to a 12' alluminium boat/motor , but the cost is just a bit outa my range. I was lookin at entry level pontoons($400-$600) but after reading all the some mixed reviews , I have since decided against them . I think the pontoons are best suited for small river fishing , not still water lakes .
These boats however are just what i want but sadly will have to wait . :'(
I believe i am going to have to give the new "PonTUBES" a try , maybe since I would sit higher up in the water(needed since i only have breathables now ) and they are much more "streamlined" in design aswell , they will probably be much easier to kick .

But if i do hope to gain as much info about the above mentioned kickboats , are there local suppliers in BC ? or just US distributors ? .

James budz.....toons are the greatest small stillwater craft around....quiet...ez to maneuver....simple to modify or add some add-ons....lite to carry....easy to assemble... I let the fins slowly guide me to the area I want to fish..usually draggin a leetch of some discription.....then drop both anchors...start fishin'....stable lil' craft with a minumum of maintenance....you never overheat in summer as your legs are in the water....rivers you say.....I wouldn't be in a hurry to take any toon on any rivers....just ain't safe in my mind..is better boats for that application.....your milage could vary...;)))



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Re: how bout this as an alternative to a pontoon boat?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2006, 11:29:43 AM »

I have heard both good and bad about toons , some say they are hard to controll in the wind , but offer great stability when anchored , other hate that they have to assemble it and disasemble it . Some hate the fact that they are 5x's heavier than a float tube , so packing into a trail is hard .
But i do like them , and i am still torn between a Pontube and PonTOON , I just have to think about it more i guess .

"your milliage could vary" <----- No kidding LOL , i have seen some pics of some pretty scary situations on rivers , and would not try it , unless there  was no white water sections .
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