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[bigguy]

Sure a great deal of whining and argueing going on!  Whats up with that, every second post seems to discuss the ethics and rights and wrongs of fishing!  Maybe it should be Whining With Rod!  So many posts seem to justify their catches with " and I caught it in the mouth and released it gently".  So many defensive people.   I am not trying to be a jerk but it just seems to go on and on and has gotten a lot worse in the last few years! There is definately an elitist and sometimes racist  attitude taking place which is wrong.  Correct me if you wish but read through a lot of the recent posts and you WILL see what I mean! !   

[bbronswyk2000]

Its on all the forums right now. I dont know what went wrong but things sure have gone way downhill lately everywhere. Everyone seems to be arguing with one another and its getting out of hand.

[Rodney]

Are you whining?

[Rodney]

Am I whining?

[bbronswyk2000]

Something must be in the air or all men are getting PMS 

[bigguy]

I am, because I am getting tired of it!  Sure I can quit looking at the website but I have gained a great deal of info from people like yourself over the years Rod.  But I don't like to read about how the Indians or the Asians or The Europeans are to blame.  This has to be stopped or we are asking for real trouble!   I am surprised that no one has brought in the Indo Canadians into this!   I am probably part of the problem as well in some ways but we need to clean it up. 

[bigguy]

I haven't even been to the Vedder this year but by what I read it must be a horrible place!    Maybe people aren't catching enough fish! 

[blaydRnr]

i hate to be the one to say it, but with the growth of websites like this and fishbc, communications between fishermen have become more pronounce. it also acts as a media board where people are more inclined to participate through the open forum and newcomers use the site as a spring board to get involved in our sport...just my 2 cents worth of yarn.

[weizen]

Something must be in the air or all men are getting PMS 

Brian, that's too funny....but you're not too far off

[Rodney]

Actually, I would like bigguy to point out which posts are whiney (ie. arguing/defending location of the hook, release technique). Beside BwiBwi's chum troll and Golfman's bad experience yesterda, I must have missed the other ones. Keep in mind that we are in peak forum season, post counts are at 150 to 250 per day, it should not surprise anyone if negative post counts go up as well. If every single post is positive, then what else is there to talk about?

The discussions of the current Vedder situation in the general discussion may seem whiney, but it has generated proactive movement including a meeting or two that will take place next month to review what can be done to minimize the problems on the Vedder. As long as no personal attacks are involved (and they haven't, members have been excellent with sticking to the issue instead of belittling each other), I see these as good things.

You feel that racism and stereotyping is slowly developing on the forum? Show it, report it when you see it so I can read through the posts over and over again. As an individual in the minority group of Canada, I don't think people are laying the blame on Asians, Europeans and Indians. Instead, people are recognizing that there are gaps that need to be fixed. New fishermen from minority groups are unaware of certain regulations and that needs to be addressed.

I'm looking down the list on the general discussion, can't really see whining:

Fishfreak posts his instruction on roe curing:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12442.0

Big Steel is happy about fishing in the rain tomorrow:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12440.0

Sunken truck on the Vedder, good to know and get it out of there ASAP:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12435.0

Cut up fish on the Vedder, unspoken work done by the fisheries being revealed to readers:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12436.0

Legend's poll on rain impacts on rivers:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12430.0

Lakebait wants to know if he is fishing right, forum members assisted him positively:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12431.0

More Fishfreak roe curing stuff, 3 pages of Q and A:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12309.0

Luna reel test:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12432.0

Weather report, snow forecast:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12401.0

Bulkley River, needs help, no whines yet:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12408.0

Old Black Dog lets us know the ECVI rivers are closed:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12433.0

Finding dead wild coho on the Vedder, catch and release mortality addressed:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12413.0

Pocket water:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12419.0

Despite golfman's bad trip, he likes fishing in the rain:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12428.0

Fishfreak asking who wants to fish today:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12414.0

No whines so far on the first page of general discussion, well... except this thread.

[bigguy]

What about the one you blocked on Fishing Reports?   Read " Silver Bars",  come on Rod I am not blind and neither are you!  I didn't say it was just today, I said recently or at least that is what I meant!  It is funny that others can see it but you can't!

[Rodney]

Let's take a look at the report section.

Some whine here, more like bitch slapping actually:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12427.0
but mostly generated from another thread.

Golfman had a bad day fishing, everyone has a bad day sometimes, he's allowed to talk about it, reports what he saw:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12425.0

Squamish River, blown out, something worth to whine, because it sucks when a river blows out:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12439.0

First Vedder trip for chuck, just reporting what he saw, and the reality is there are many negative stuff going on at the vedder:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12388.0

BwiBwi's chum trolling, having a bit of fun which I cut off at the end:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12384.0

Squamish high school trip:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12412.0

Lucky's good day on chinook:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12378.0

Legend's day on the Stave, found garbage, let people know. Garbage, can't say good thing about it, it's crap after all.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12392.0

Excellent Squamish day for some members:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12404.0

Pretty good sturgeon day for legend:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12391.0

Good day for fish freak on the Vedder, until a troller that only posts once awhile jumps in:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12377.0

First trip to the stave for oldtrout, sounds good despite of no fish:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12396.0

Merc and Thickrick's good day on the Squamish:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12386.0

Vedder on Oct 20th for some members, mostly good experience, some bad:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12359.0

My Squamish report, kind of whiney:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12372.0

Kids started a positive thread, some troller forced me to lock it:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12370.0

Kids having a good day on the Vedder again, ko feels lonely, but others seem to be having a good time:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12364.0

Nuggy's unsuccessful's day on the Lower Fraser, it's ok to whine when no fish are caught right?
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=12385.0

So in the report section, a few out of 20 threads involve whines, but if all fishing reports are good, then wouldn't fishing be boring? The atmosphere of the forum is controlled by members, it goes up and down, up, and down... When it is down, why is there a need to assume and fear everything is going to hell? After moderating it for 5 years, I think the forum is actually having its best time right now. With sometimes up to 90 people online at one time, you bound to have differences between people. Are we just going to agree with each other all the time?

[Rodney]

What about the one you blocked on Fishing Reports?   Read " Silver Bars",  come on Rod I am not blind and neither are you!  I didn't say it was just today, I said recently or at least that is what I meant!  It is funny that others can see it but you can't!

So what? Golfman's bad day is going to ruin the forum now? I better shut it down tomorrow before it snowballs because I can't seem to see it coming.

Hey Golfman, it's all your fault.

[Gooey]

Big Guy, you summed it all up when you said  "I haven't even been to the Vedder this year".  Don't take offence to this...but you don't have a clue about whats going on and dare I say that its not just on the vedder but opn every river and sports fishing in general. 

We used to go to this quite spot in yarrow, there would always be other fishers there, goups of 2 or 3 here and there....but I was blown away by my trip last saturday.  it seemed every trough that was more than 3 feet deep had 10-20 people in it.  Most of them fishing braid, way too long float to weight, and way to much leader.  Mostly snagged fish, followed by flossed fish, followed by maybe 5% fair hooked.  Its really sad to see.  and these fishers are the type to drag a snagged chum up on the rock and fking it back with their foot when their done...its quite discusting.   If you look at these lines they are identical to the fraser.  It use to be that 10-15 feet would be a tolerable distance from one fisher to the next under busy curcumstances...now you will have guys walk in between you and a buddy who are 10 feet apart! 

Any how, when a guy at this run snagged his 6th fish, I explained if he had a shorter leader, he would be less likely to snag them...his response was that these fish dont bite so he needs the long leader to floss them.  I was shocked that this guy didn't even know how to get a strike and actually thought they wouldnt bite...why fish then?.  As it happened, he was Asian but his ignorance wasn't confined to his race, there were Europeans, Canadians, etc all out there flossing away, not having a clue of what they are doing.  This isn't a "racist" thing as you put it.

The level of degridation taking place within recreational fishing is sickening...and its not an eletist/racist thing either.  Most countries and races have a different attitude towards the environment and its resources and what we are seeing is more and more PEOPLE with an absaolute  lack of caring, taking part in our sport.

Just hit the vedder this weekend and tell us all if you now understand what we are talking about.

[troutbreath]

If there's one thing I can't stand it's people whining, or for that matter people whining about whining. There's a sign on my office door that even says it...