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[IronNoggin]

Imagine, The Vedder and Ettiquite being coupled together in the same sentence! Now THAT is damn funny!!

'Course I'm speaking from the vast experience of my one (and ONLY) foray on that particular flow. Hmmm... Lessee... Middle of the week, 300 anglers observed throughout the day, many with gear entirely inappropriate for the pursuit of steelhead, and largely the only ones that we didn't see parked for the day on top of their cooler were those rushing HARD to crowd us out of any spot where we touched a fish! Nope, y'all can keep that! Left a seriously sour taste for that area (although I will admit the river itself is picturesque!) in my mind! Certainly WON'T be going back! And I suppose that should make some folks happy, one less to add to the ever increasing crowding conditions, and all that goes hand in hand with that!!

Cheers,
Nog

[J.G.]

Thompson is a great fishing partner.........He rolled in dead salmon this year on the Kispiox. He's had the nickname "Bear Bait" ever since.

[J.G.]

Imagine, The Vedder and Ettiquite being coupled together in the same sentence! Now THAT is damn funny!!

'Course I'm speaking from the vast experience of my one (and ONLY) foray on that particular flow. Hmmm... Lessee... Middle of the week, 300 anglers observed throughout the day, many with gear entirely inappropriate for the pursuit of steelhead, and largely the only ones that we didn't see parked for the day on top of their cooler were those rushing HARD to crowd us out of any spot where we touched a fish! Nope, y'all can keep that! Left a seriously sour taste for that area (although I will admit the river itself is picturesque!) in my mind! Certainly WON'T be going back! And I suppose that should make some folks happy, one less to add to the ever increasing crowding conditions, and all that goes hand in hand with that!!

Cheers,
Nog

Guy's like you are the anglers we need............

[Nicole]

Spey guy with dog? Maybe I met you on the back side trail behind the Tolmie slide over christmas, that goes up to the old anderson run? Just guessing.

Cammer, spey water? Please tell me more!

You can email me if you like, I have found quite a bit this year, the river has changed around for the better for the spey guys/gals... I have found at least 10 different pieces of good water so far, and I've seen about 85% of the river now.

nicole[nadaspam]@dotaku.com

cheers,
Nicole

[J.G.]

Spey guy with dog? Maybe I met you on the back side trail behind the Tolmie slide over christmas, that goes up to the old anderson run? Just guessing.

Cammer, spey water? Please tell me more!

You can email me if you like, I have found quite a bit this year, the river has changed around for the better for the spey guys/gals... I have found at least 10 different pieces of good water so far, and I've seen about 85% of the river now.

nicole[nadaspam]@dotaku.com

cheers,
Nicole

The guy sitting on the rocks, wallowing in self pity, because of lack of water that day.........yup, that was me!

[Nicole]

The guy sitting on the rocks, wallowing in self pity, because of lack of water that day.........yup, that was me!

Did you get anything up in that run I came down from? I heard of two fish pulled from that run the day before... Therefore I went through it methodically three times with different junk...

That spot will be nice on the spey, but it's a long way to walk to find out it's full of people, and there's no room to swing a fly.

Cheers,
Nicole

[mojo7]

 Most experienced rods that fish the Vedder know where the pidket fences develop and can easly avoid them if they want to fish the cast and move style.I think the problem is that the picket fences develop at the holes where the fish will stack up and the fence posts are very successful at intercepting most of the hatchery fish.

 I remember a couple of years ago I was fishing the Yarrow side of Lickman and literally saw 6 fish hooked over a three hour period.Most of the picket posts were older gents with probably not as much energy as the younger bucks and they were having a blast.

 I don't begrudge these older gents enjoying themselves.If I want to fish cast and move then theres lots of river to fish where there is no-one around.

[dennyman]

Well I am going to put in my two cents worth.  I think the key thing in all of this is that as the fishing pressure increases we have to learn to share the resource.  I am one of those fisherman whol likes to chuck and cast, and not stay in one area all day long. And as previously mentioned earlier that is why the "fishing regs" has tried to promote "rotational angling". And as it states, it was designed to allow each angler an equal opportunity to spend some time in the prime riffles and runs.  So if someone wishes to stay in one area fine.  But if another angler wishes to fish through the run...acknowledge them, step out of the run and let them fish through. To me this would be a simple gesture to promote better angling ethics on the Vedder and to make fishing the river a more enjoyable experience.

[younggun]

Leave the guys alone, let them fish the way they want. And fish the way u want, i like covering water if they dont then oh well! Just dont walk in on a gong show of anchors and hook a fish or ur in for it! I did that last year, my dad wanted to pass up the run and i said give me 10 minutes, so i slip in ontop of everyone, and go under the undercut bank and plop my offering in,4 casts then wham!  Steely! Landed it released it and got the hell out of there cus everyone had a dirty look on there faces!

[Nicole]

heh, that's just funny, bunch a poor sports!

I bet those guys were casting under the cutbank on subsequent trips... No one likes to get schooled by a kid...

Cheers,
Nicole

[younggun]

No the stupid thing was they were casting into the deep slot when the sun was shinin on it and the bank was covering the edge of the slot with shade, it was only 4 feet from shore but it made sense that a fish might hang out there, so i put on a new live ghost shrimp and down goes the float! THey were all using roe or wool or spinners so i changed up, after i hooked my fish they all went to shrimp or shrimp oil or something shrimpy it was a funny site to see! One that i was looking at over my shoulder while i was fast pacing it out of there! THey were all standing ontop of the bank and there was plenty of room under neith but u needed to walk upstream and climb down like 15 feet and then walk down to the water so they were all really lazy and i just showed how its done!

[testo84]

as a new user of Vedder

I was being warned by Nuggy

thank to him !@ for the advice

i did not know that i was not allowed to fishing downstream if there is a another fisherman beside me

next time i would ask if he minds


the onyl problem is what if somoene stays in 1 spot  for hours. how would we wait for someone to go downstream ?

[Nicole]

Just tell him or her you're stepping through, and if they'd mind if you worked your way along below them... 99% of the time they're ok with it if you're polite and ask...

In the case of flyfishers:
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If I run across someone flyfishing and I'm using my gear rod, I always say hi, and ask permission to fish above them...

Never ever step into the river below a flyfisher unless you ask first. I normally call out to a gear guy to step in above me instead, that I'll be done in 15 minutes, and they can have the whole run when I'm done. Every time I say that, they're ok and move upstream from me.

If gear fishing, I always leave the hole and go elsewhere if the flyfisher is working the hole more slowly than I'd like. I rarely even bother asking if I can go below, unless they are not moving at all.

If they are not moving and I want to fish through, I ask them if they're stepping through, and ask to fish below them; I do so quickly and leave.

Spey fishers need a good 30-40 feet of space downstream of them to cast, so factor that in, and keep moving out of the run if you are given permission to fish below.

There's lots of places to gear fish that flyfishers can't, so I mostly leave them the water if they were there first.

Cheers,
Nicole

[mastercaster]

Just about everyone on this thread has basicly said that respect for your fellow fisherman is the key but unfortunately, some people never learn because they don't give a rat's ### and usually get what they deserve in the end.

This happened about four or five years ago up at the Thompson.  Without mentioning any names there was this guy who would jet about the river hitting all the honey holes, corking fly and bait fisherman alike without so much as a care.  He'd get in and get out quickly and despite guys telling him what an A-#### he was he never changed his tune.

Anyway,one morning right at first light, I was fishing one of the lower runs and I see this empty jet boat floating by me.  If my pontoon boat hadn't been two hundred yards up shore I could have probably rescued it. Needless to say it was this guy's jet and while no one will readily admit to it the word is that someone pushed it out into the river during the night.

When it passed the Nicolum and started heading into the canyon it got caught up in the "frog" (a huge boat eating whirlpool) and that's exactly what happened.  The RCMP saw it go down and there wasn't a thing they could do about it.

Not that this is the right thing to do.... but you get the idea.

[Athezone]

Now thats "Etiquete".