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[johnny]

For the life of me I just can't see myself sitting in a law chair waiting for the bell to ring on a bar rod. It just doesn't seem like fishing to me. 

Have you ever fished the ocean? It's equivalent to trolling.. only you don't have to stay in the boat. I'll never understand why people feel ok with trolling but somehow think bar fishing is boring.

There are those days where one gets tired of running for a rod because those dang bells keep ringing..... now THAT is fun!

As far as the comment about the pics with springs that have been flossed.. hate BB'ing all you want, but don't kid yourself, the person that plays the fish still has fun... the fish still do fight ya know. Not saying I BB for springs(I don't) BUT do know that a fish on is a fish on and to think there is no heat of the battle is silly. Besides, let's face it.. those that BB despite the request not to don't feel they can catch a fish any other way so they're likely somewhat new to fishing and would be as or more excited than more experienced fishermen because of that lack of having done it too  many times. Hero shot? Yeah, doesn't surprise me at all.

[DragonSpeed]

The fact is its selfish to keep bbing, the river will close.  When it does, you poachers wil be run out of town.

Dude - this kind of response is totally uncalled for. 

You appear to be continually condoning the use of violence to "solve" your problems.  If you continue to do this, you will no longer be able to voice your opininion on THIS forum.  It is TOTALLY unacceptbale.

[4x4]

Have fun everyone with your petty arguing back and forth, I'm off to have a fabulously fun time bbing for some springs and enjoying the company of my friends. Don't bother asking for pics as they'll go up on the wall where all the other beautiful fish pics are. Any one with a brain can see where the real problem lies and its not with a small group of bbers. Shutting down one group to suit your own purpose will not solve the solution but alas,  I am sure you know whats best. I'll not argue and will be on my Merry way and leave the bickering to those who know everything. One reason why I rarely post on this site. Have a great day everyone, I know we will.

I don't understand why you are advertising that you are going bb'ing when there is a specific request not to do so at this time.

We haven't fished the Fraser for Springs for many years. If I decide to again I'd be dusting off my bar fishing gear. Currently having to much fun fly fiishing some of the higher lakes for fat trout.

[Rodney]

[4x4]

I don't understand why you are advertising that you are going bb'ing when there is a specific request not to do so at this time.

Most likely, as we have seen so often on the forums before, because he has been offended by those who are advocating the cease of bottom bouncing at this time. When a person wants another to stop doing something, it's probably a good idea to do so in a respectful manner, otherwise the objective would never be accomplished.

I agree with what you say. They don't get the proper approach thing. I have had some heated debates on another Forum regarding this but they just don't get it.

Having said all that, what does it matter how disrespectful some people are about this issue. You shouldn't continue to bb if that is the request. I'm sorry, because someone pi$$e$ you off you're going to do the wrong thing? Two wrongs don't make a right. 

[Rodney]

[Nicole]

There are those days where one gets tired of running for a rod because those dang bells keep ringing..... now THAT is fun!

And those days like my brother had running for a big bite, on the way to the rod he tripped and broke his wrist!

He set the hook and was trying to reel with a broken wrist... What a trooper!


Nicole

[2:40]

Nicole, would I remember that incident?

Im not coming back for more, but wanted to clarify something. I call the bottom bouncing or flossing 'snagging'. I tried to call it flossing but it didnt sit right with me as I dont have much patience for PC and believe strongly that things should be called what they are. I say snagging not to insult anyone, but to describe the action because it's the ACTION that's the main issue here. However, I will apologize to those who took offense and whom have a different view than mine on it.

Anyway, I want to give a genuine thanks to all who debated and shared on this topic. I think everyone showed a great measure of respect considering there's over 22 pages of talk that did not melt down into verbal abuse. While I know what I hope for in the end in this issue, I do hope that the best realistic and common sense solution is found. I also hope that as we progress in that, we can be a strong voice to address other just as if not more important issues facing angling and the fish resource.

Ill stop there before the tears really start to flow. 

[kingpin]

the rivers going to close this week because of the bb'ers

[chris gadsden]

the rivers going to close this week because of the bb'ers

It is a possibly because some people have chosen to ignore the request including some of our friends from across the border.
A decision I have been told will be made tomorrow once the reports are in how many were out snagging over the weekend.

I hope a spot closure is brought in to deal where the snagging is taking place as the first choose before a complete salmon closure.

If I was making the decision I would grant no sockeye opening this year to show they are serious when they make a request like they did this year. That would mean no sockeye opening for the next 2 years as well and that would put the end to this unsporting like fishery.

[Rieber]

We were selective methods fishing at Grassy today. A DFO jet with two guys and two women checked everyone for barbs and licences. The politely asked the BB'ers to try bar fishing for the next two weeks if they had the equipment to do so, until the Stuarts go through and then an anouncement will be made that fishing can resume to normal again.

There was no confrontational action whatsoever. Again, DFO are just making a request - not a demand. BB'ing is not illegal so don't try intimidating someone into believing that BB'ing is illegal.

After seeing their hands on approach - I think they have convinced some anglers to try Bar fishing for the next two weeks.

So in my opinion, good on DFO for not trying to ram Bar fishing down everyones throat but instead try and change the mindset through hands-on public relations. I think this approach will go a lot further. Maybe DFO could do more in the way of public broadcasts and these positive face to face interactions.

So where does this bitterness and "hollier than thou" attitude come from these born again Bar fishermen that try this garbage of intimidation and running off at the mouth come from. Well it's because of the ability to name-call from behind the safety of a keyboard. Stop blowing this Bar vs. BB issue out of proportion.

If BB'ing really was illegal - DFO would have said so and would have been writing quite a few tickets today.

[dead head]

Ok I agree about not bb but what about all the netts out there?I think its not fair to say you cant fish like that..I believe there should be no fishing for all until the early socks are in..But there cant be a double sword on the issue on people allowed to fish with nets and the other have to be selective its all polictical.  ps I dont bounce. You guys sould be against the netters and bitch about that not the sporties .

[Thrasher]

the rivers going to close this week because of the bb'ers

any more news on this???

[blaydRnr]

Blaydrnr, I find it good to share myself. Im not here thinking Im changing the ones who think otherwise. Im sharing my view and letting anyone who wants to make their own decision. You talking about bottom bouncing or snagging? (see the problem calling it what it isnt?) Bottom bouncing to get a BITE is an old tatic. You're right, the snagging bottom bouncing, while WRONG in my books, is a bigger problem as result of the numbers doing it. Why 1952 btw?

Well actually, i was talking in general, not directly at you.

the problem is you agree that bottom bouncing to get a BITE is an old and acceptable tactic whereas bottom snagging isn't.....very true, the question is....how can you decipher who's doing wrong from the one's doing right...then turn around to label them in the same general category?....then wonder why some people get offended?

for the sake of the salmon, i wouldn't mind a river closure, if in fact their numbers and survival is at risk.

myself i don't bottom bounce for springs and i rarely retain them, but i've heard some valid points about selective fishing in areas where they allow netting or special privileges for certain groups, etc.   its no wonder why people no longer share the same values.

as far as 1952.....it was the earliest date i came across where the method of 'bottom bouncing' was documented.  i didn't want to exaggerate or mention a time line that i couldn't back up.

[2:40]

The difference is intent. Guys out on the Fraser with LONG leaders and looking to 'snag' or 'floss'. Why else does the leader length grow? Because it makes it easier to get the line to sweep through the mouth.

Traditional bottom bouncing is using a short leader and in select river conditions. The intent is a bite because otherwise, they wont get a fish!

If BB'ing really was illegal - DFO would have said so and would have been writing quite a few tickets today.

DFO would/should be most happy to make this technique illegal along with triple hook snagging because they are both the same thing when it comes to intent, harvest management and angler conduct. But we know it's not possible as this form of snagging is very sneaky. Those who hide behind the legal issue are only hiding from an inconvenient truth IMO. So instead, they're having to consider closing the river, CITING bottom bouncing (snagging) as the reason. I dont think Im better than anyone else who fishes. But if someone CHOOSES to snag fish, it's not my fault if it makes them feel that way about it. Take responsibility for your choices!

Again, purely my opinion, but I think it's pretty sad that anglers, especially those who consider themselves sportsmen, are unwilling to face the facts and basically say they'll wait for DFO to make it law even though they themselves admit the fish are not biting. If they're not biting what else can it be? So if it's snagging, why else are some guys bent out of shape about it? I doubt anyone here would like to watch a guy using the triple hook form of snagging, even if the guy was 'skilled' enough to hook it 'close enough' to the mouth. But the flossing kind of snagging is ok and surprise is expressed when someone objects and tries to explain that snagging of any kind is deadly to sport angling? I cant say this is just my opinion enough, but I just cant understand this mentality that spawns the good old saying "If someone jumped off a cliff you would too?"

Oh yea, back to the selective ideal. Likely the biggest reason guys are getting more chinooks than sockeye now isnt nothing to do with selectiveness. Right now, there are more chinook than sockeye in the system. Of course more guys will hook chinook, but this is nothing more than the laws of probability at work. I came to this conclusion from looking at the test fishing numbers. http://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fos2_Internet/Testfish/rptdtfdparm.cfm?fsub_id=242.  This shows that early in the season chinooks generally outnumber sockeye until well into August (in 2006). I think also that they use 8" mesh which would miss some sockeye but the ratio would remain similar throughout the season. I know some sockeye runs have a higher % of larger fish later in the season but probably not enough to sway the numbers that much.

I do agree with river closures needed. Conservation is #1. Too bad the nets will continue to run. 

In regards to sport angling, this form of snagging needs to be addressed but not as much for conservation concerns (although they're here and will grow) but for what it means for rec anglers.