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[Geff_t]

Nuggy,

Funny you should ask re : my agenda. I've frequented this and a few other forums kinda like this over the last few years. My agenda is simple. All I hear about is the debate on where angling has gone from these self proclaimed stewards of the river, and they are totally missing the point. The concern for them is always trying to do away with one form of angling over another. Bar vs. BB... Fly vs. Gear. What should be focussed on in earnest? People for the conservation of fish. Want to make a difference? Quit bitching at each other and start telling the government that the fish are in trouble because of their lack of management and enforcement for the rules that are in place. One can argue for or against any method.

 The amount of fish taken by rec license holders is a drop in the bucket compared to the Commies and FN. I totally agree the FN has a right to fish traditionally for salmon, they don't have the right to waste or sell fish. If it has been determined a run is in danger, SHUT IT DOWN PERIOD. Enforce it. YES FN TOO. What are we doing here bickering amongst ourselves? Nothing! It's a waste of time.

Here, here, well said. I totally agree.

[Nicole]

So in your impression, a person who buys a licence, whether it's their first year fishing or their 40th, each has the same voice, no additional clout?

One licence = one vote?

Cheers,
Nicole

[Xgolfman]

Quick question:

What would happen if the Salmon vanished from the Fraser???

Guess there would be no reason NOT to dam it and provide all the cheap electricity that G.V.R. is so desperate for...
SO!!! Do you really think your government gives too much of a hoot what happens???

[chris gadsden]

Nicole, if Sockeye opens this year are you going to Snag them like you did last year?  You do go snagging for sockeye right?

I did last year, but after a blow up after being crowded out, I'm retiring...

I don't like what I become out there, so it's best for me to hang my betties up for good...

I had no problem flossing for sockeye on the fraser, so few of them bite, that there is no way to catch them otherwise.

Cheers,
Nicole

PS> I forgot to mention, my freezer is also full again from Ucluelet three weeks ago, so there's no need to go anyways

[jetboatjim]

I kinda think if we spent half as much energy on e-mails to the powers that be , or showed up to some of the meetings and such we could have a better impact.

everyone loves to jump on everyone else but, its kinda like my 3-8-10 year olds fighting.

[Old Black Dog]

I'll tell you what my agenda is, impose a leader restriction, that is all.

Everyone has a right to fish the way they want...

Cheers,
Nicole

Nice contradiction...

[Old Black Dog]

So in your impression, a person who buys a licence, whether it's their first year fishing or their 40th, each has the same voice, no additional clout?

One licence = one vote?

Cheers,
Nicole

Welcome to Canada

[Old Black Dog]

A good article Chris, hopefully the move to another level happens quickly.

I believe MOE and FOC are seeing what this type of activity is creating and the hope is we donot see a sockeye opening this year, in 2008, 2009 and ever again.

This will help bring things back to normal in the fishing fraternity.

Thanks to you, with your article, the fishing clinic you put on, it got the ball rolling.

Now the trick is to keep things rolling rolling, rolling right along  . Gosh training camp is not that far away, to learn proper fishing techniques that is. Now that is a low blow. Sort of good to be back on the forum after another succesful fishing trip with 2 jacks springs and one nice adult, should write the journal.

Well it is interesting to see a small group pushing their agenda.

The use of "concern for stocks" is just plain funny.
If there is a conservation concern then it is simple, shut the river to ALL.

Is there a concern about released stocks? If so, what % of ALL catch and release fish are killed??
What difference is there between fish that are released that were flossed or caught bar fishing?

What % of fish caught in the Vedder by all means are released then die??


What are you talking about, people catching to many fish in the Fraser and other rivers?
How many Sockeye have been caught on the Fraser to date this year?

How come it is OK for F/N to have a commercial opening on the river and others are told to stay away from sockeye?

 

[chris gadsden]

Of interest I just picked up the latest copy of BC Outdoors and if you wish to read the editorial you will see we are not the only ones concerned with this issue. The editorial also calls it what it is, snagging.

Maybe we are not a small group after all.

[chris gadsden]

I kinda think if we spent half as much energy on e-mails to the powers that be , or showed up to some of the meetings and such we could have a better impact.

everyone loves to jump on everyone else but, its kinda like my 3-8-10 year olds fighting.

Have been doing that for over 30 years, not fighting like the kids, I dealt with that part of life too.

I tend not to call it fighting it is a discussion. If one is in politics one gets to know the difference.

[Old Black Dog]

Category(s):
RECREATIONAL - Salmon

Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada

Subject: FN0535-RECREATIONAL - SALMON - Sockeye:  Fraser River Non-tidal - Region 2 - No fishing for sockeye - Update

Sockeye returns to the Fraser River continue to be lower than pre-season
forecasts.

Commercial and recreational fishing opportunities are delayed until test
fishing information indicates improved runs.

Anglers are reminded that in the non-tidal waters of the Fraser River from the
CPR Bridge at Mission, BC upstream to Alexandra Bridge that there is no fishing
for sockeye.

The continued cooperation from the recreational fishing community to comply
with the no fishing for sockeye regulation is appreciated.

DFO will continue to meet weekly with the Sport Fishing Advisory Board to
review test fishing information and possible fishing opportunities.

Notes:

Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal and non-tidal
waters of British Columbia.  This includes all species of fish in the Fraser
River.

The term “hatchery marked” means a fish that has a healed scar in place of the
adipose fin.

Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the voluntary Salmon Sport Head
Recovery program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped
Chinook and Coho salmon.  Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical
information for coast-wide stock assessment.  Contact the Salmon Sport Head
Recovery Program at (866) 483-9994 for further information.

Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation?  If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.

For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at (866) 431-
FISH.


Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0535
Sent July 31, 2007 at 19:38
Visit us on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca



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[Old Black Dog]

Of interest I just picked up the latest copy of BC Outdoors and if you wish to read the editorial you will see we are not the only ones concerned with this issue. The editorial also calls it what it is, snagging.

Maybe we are not a small group after all.

In relation to the anglers that fish in B.C. you are.

Still waiting for a reply to the questions posted.

Where is the science to back your claims??

[Nicole]

I'll tell you what my agenda is, impose a leader restriction, that is all.

Everyone has a right to fish the way they want...

Cheers,
Nicole

Nice contradiction...

I guess I didn't explain the context of that enough, I'm not into creating barfishing only, or just flyfishing only regs, there are many ways to fish, and people should respect that.

The leader restriction would go a long way to help reduce the effectiveness of flossing, and help to improve the status of bottom bouncing (as it used to be before sockeye and the 20 foot leaders).

Flossing is very effective.

Cheers,
Nicole

[Geff_t]

Yes flossing is very effective. I was out on the veddar yesterday after work( mostly to test the new breathables) and we came into this run ( no it was not the limit hole). It was about three feet of water where this one guy was fishing. He was using about a 2 foot leader but 6 to 7 feet between his float and a fixed weight. He was hooking alot of springs. Where would your guys leader restriction come into play here? According to your guys suggestions of 3 feet or less from a fixed weight he would be perfectly fine but he was still snagging fish. See how leader restriction may not exactly work. People are already finding a way to adjust.

[Nicole]

Yep fly guy, you're right, we did touch on that a couple days ago in this debate...

Where there is a will there is a way.

Cheers,
Nicole