Fishyfish, the ethics component is a big part of the argument and can not be excluded. I made my second and definately final trip out to the valley and was thouroughly disappointed. Not with the fishing so much, as it is always a pleasure to get out, but absolutely with the lack of sportsmanship on the river. The number of people doesn't bother me, in fact I look at it as a challenge, to see how I measure up as a fishermen to my fellow angler. However, I must be comparing myself to a select few. In my opinion if you have resorted to lining to catch fish you are admitting defeat as far as enticing a strike is concerned.. You may as well pick up a net as you will do less damage to the fish that can't quite come in, tight lines....or should I say long lines, Wintersteel.