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Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« on: December 13, 2007, 05:55:14 PM »

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Fish farms to blame for possible wild salmon extinction: study

Scott Simpson, Vancouver Sun

Published: Thursday, December 13, 2007

A groundbreaking scientific study has today established for the first time a large-scale and deadly link between fish farms and sea lice infestations that threatens to wipe out entire populations of wild Pacific salmon.

An article to be published in Friday's edition of Science, one of the world's foremost scientific journals, says wild pink salmon runs on the British Columbia central coast will be extinct in as little as four years because of a cluster of salmon farms that are creating lethal infestations of sea lice in that area.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=a3763b8e-8218-4c76-808a-b05151a520a4&k=48920



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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 10:11:03 PM »

There was also a report that was done on global regarding this. I tried to find the link but the posted the wrong video with the caption. As soon as they fix this I will post it. It will most likely be repeated at 11 as well as in the morning. The government of course said that they do not know any thing about this report. Typical liberal BS.
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 11:02:54 PM »

Using a mathematical model of population growth rates, they show that sea lice from industrial fish farms are reducing the numbers of wild pink salmon - a Pacific salmon species - to the extent that the fish could be locally extinct in eight years or less.

Dr Krkosek said the population growth rate was "severely depressed".

"It means that the probability of extinction is 100% and the only question is how long it is going to take," he told BBC News.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7142053.stm

Same story also made news in the UK  ??? Very disturbing news from every perspective. Only question now is... can the Pinks actually be saved? not according to this guy!! 100% probability of extinction is a serious claim  :-\

 
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 11:10:03 PM »

If you want to watch the Global News story, go here:

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/video/index.html

Click on Watch the News Hour, let it load, and fast forward to about 6:20.

Same story also made news in the UK  ??? Very disturbing news from every perspective. Only question now is... can the Pinks actually be saved? not according to this guy!! 100% probability of extinction is a serious claim

100% probability with the current fish farming practices. If we act now and relocate the farms, the irreversible damage that could be done to this population of pinks could be reversed.

When I was in the Broughton with Marty he was working on this paper and I got a little preview. The best part of it is that it's rather simple. He compares the historical trends of one part of the coast with another. The Broughton has seen significant declines in its pink salmon population while fish farm free areas just north of the Broughton have not. A major argument all along was that the lice may kill the juvenile salmon, but the population as a whole was not being reduced. Now that has been refuted and the government doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 10:52:27 AM »

I have just sent of letters regarding this to my local MLAs as well as my MP and the federal fisheries critic. Let's hope they respond. I suggest everyone does the same.
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2007, 04:32:30 PM »

hey fly guy

where did you find email addresses for your mla's? could you post all the ones you have found so that all the people who are on this site who do not have a lot of time (but still want to make a difference) can have fast access to this info?

thanks in advance :)
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2007, 04:34:22 PM »

hey fly guy

where did you find email addresses for your mla's? could you post all the ones you have found so that all the people who are on this site who do not have a lot of time (but still want to make a difference) can have fast access to this info?

thanks in advance :)

http://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-1.htm

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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2007, 05:31:46 PM »

Thanks Rodney  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 12:34:07 PM »

thanks rod!
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2008, 11:16:12 AM »

So after writing a letter to some of my local politicians before christmas I finally got a response from Mr Randy Kamp. Here is the letter that he had sent to me.

Thank you for your email and I apologize for the delay in getting back to you over the Christmas period.  I appreciate the concerns you raise in your letter regarding the news article you read in December. 
 
It is certainly tempting to view the “sea lice issue” as entirely straight-forward, but how sea lice truly affect wild and farmed salmon is actually fairly complicated and still not conclusive.  Just as an example, while one purportedly authoritative report takes one position, another equally authoritative report will take an opposite view (e.g. released by the Fraser Institute: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/commerce.web/publication_details.aspx?pubID=3168).
 
To be clear, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) clearly respects the efforts of other independent scientists dedicated to clarifying the science around sea lice.  DFO wishes to ensure the conservation of wild salmon and will continue to collaborate with others in these efforts.  During 2007, significant efforts in collaborative research were supported by the B.C. Pacific Salmon Forum. This research is currently being reviewed in preparation for the 2008 collaborative research program.
 
I would however like to point out that the Science Magazine article from December 13, 2007, to which I believe you are referring, appears to be somewhat presumptuous on a couple of fronts.  For example, it is the view of DFO that the report overstates the risk to pink salmon in the Broughton Archipelago and that the estimated trend in escapements is not consistent with those actually observed since 2002.  It is also DFO’s view that the authors’ model, when applied to past salmon runs, has not been accurate for predicting actual runs.
 
Should you like to read more about the department position on this matter, please take a look at the following backgrounders pertaining to sea lice.  http://www-sci.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/sealice/statement_e.htm and http://www-sci.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/aquaculture/sealice/findings_e.htm
 
Thanks again for taking the time to write about your concerns on this matter – it is certainly an issue I have been following closely as well.  I look forward to hearing from you in the future.
 
Regards,
 
 
 
Randy Kamp, MP
Pitt Meadows--Maple Ridge--Mission
Parliamentary Secretary to the
Minister of Fisheries and Oceans
 

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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2008, 03:59:38 PM »

When in doubt refer to the Fraser Institute ::) There so well known in the area of fishery's issues?

I looked at the report titled "Sea Lice the science behind the HYPE" and using the word "HYPE" in a scientific report is pretty crass to say the least. I also Googled some of the "scientists " who put together the report and it seems the Fraser Institute report is mostly there call to fame (and fortune). Some seem to be employed in the rearing of Atlantic salmon by some businesses as well. Not very unbiased "scientists" if your paycheck depends on farmed salmon.

No soup for you Randy Kamp


This stuff has been studied for years in Europe.
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 07:04:56 PM »

There are a few names out there that are synonymous with research that questions and tries to muddy the honest science behind sea lice and salmon farms.

Butterworth is one of them. Jones and Beamish are two more.

All of these author make intentionally misleading statements in their papers, use data in completely the wrong context, and have made conclusions and statements based on nothing!

Don't even get me started on that Fraser Institute report.
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 07:37:24 PM »

    The salmon farming industry makes large donations to the liberal party of B.C., the liberals ran both their successful election campaigns as being a "business friendly" government that would cut taxes, unfortunately quite often in government you get what you pay for and you definitely get who you vote for. Until genuine public outrage is felt in Victoria our governing politicians will continue to be bought by Norwegian billionaires. The only thing that a politician treasures more than money is votes because without the votes they have no access to the money, so please if you care about the wild salmon of BC write letters to your MLA's, to your newspapers, to anyone that will listen, the more people that make noise about this the more votes will be threatened, I don't care if we have a change of government all that we need is a change of government policies.
   
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Re: Salmon Farms Threaten Wild Salmon Runs With Extiction
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 09:17:28 PM »

The sea lice are spreading. Is the government noticing?
 
Stephen Hume
Vancouver Sun


Wednesday, January 23, 2008


Sea lice infestations affecting wild salmon smolts that migrate past fish farms have been found in yet another region of British Columbia's remote coast.

The problem poses potential headaches for the provincial government, since it suggests implications for commercial and recreational fisheries worth close to $1 billion a year, scientific research indicates.

"Sea lice infestations of wild juvenile fish in Pacific Canada extends beyond juvenile pink and chum salmon in the Broughton Archipelago to juvenile pink, chum and sockeye salmon, as well as larval herring in the Discovery Islands," scientists say in a paper to be published in April by the North American Journal of Fisheries Management.

The islands are about 200 kilometres from Vancouver at the northwest end of the Strait of Georgia.

Authors are Martin Krkosek of the Centre for Mathematical Biology at the University of Alberta, Rich Routledge from the Department of Statistics and Actuarial Science at Simon Fraser University and biologist Alexandra Morton, who operates a research station at Simoom Sound off northern Vancouver Island.

Meanwhile, a fisheries biologist conducting research in the area for the Xwemalkhwu First Nation reports similar findings, although he stresses results are preliminary and not yet peer-reviewed.

"At least a third of the juvenile sockeye we sampled are infected," says Mike Price of the Raincoast Conservation Foundation. He'd like the province to do genetic analysis to determine the origin of the infected sockeye samples. "Are they from the Fraser River? If this is not a Broughton specific problem, how prevalent is it? We don't know what's happening in Clayoquot Sound, in Kyuquot Sound, in any of these places we are not monitoring," Price says.

The effects of sea lice infestations upon wild fish have been a source of controversy since pink salmon runs passing salmon farms in the Broughton Archipelago collapsed in 2002. A study published in the journal Science in December 2007 predicted that if sea lice infestations were not curbed, those runs would be extinct by 2012. Krkosek, Morton and four other scientists from the U of A and Dalhousie University wrote that paper.

Industry and both federal and provincial governments, which have vigorously promoted the development of salmon farms, have played down the effects of sea lice upon wild salmon stocks. Pink declines in the Broughton are part of a natural cycle and are rebounding naturally, it's been argued.

However, the discovery that sockeye smolts and immature herring so young they have yet to develop scales are also being preyed upon by sea lice in a crucial migratory choke point is a scientific surprise that seems certain to get a lot of attention. Herring provide both a valuable commercial harvest and a crucial food source for other species, including mature coho and Chinook which are the mainstay of the province's recreational salmon fishery.

"Sea lice on juvenile herring are unreported for the Pacific and extremely rare in the Atlantic," the peer-reviewed paper observes. "Together, Fraser sockeye and Strait of Georgia herring are British Columbia's most important commercial fish stocks." In testimony before the Senate fisheries committee on Oct. 24, 2005, the Sport Fishing Institute of B.C. estimated that recreational tidal fishing, most of it directed at salmon, created 7,240 jobs and generated $400 million a year in boat, equipment, tackle and accommodation rental alone.

It estimated total value of tidal recreational fishing at around $625 million. Provincial figures in 2006 show the wholesale value -- that's after processing -- of commercially caught wild salmon at $227.6 million, of which $113.6 million derived from sockeye. The commercial herring fishery generated $58.8 million in wholesale value.

Sport angling remains a mainstay of province's tourist economy from elite fly-in lodges to places like Campbell River, adjacent to the Discovery Islands. The community, which is also a major fish farming centre, still bills itself the salmon fishing capital of the world.

Since 1924, members of its internationally-renowned Tyee Club have trolled from small, hand-rowed boats for Chinooks weighing 30 kilograms or more. Provincewide statistics show that anglers bought 338,000 tidal waters licences in 2002 and spent a total of 2.1 million days in actual fishing in B.C.

That sounds like a lot of potentially disgruntled voters to me. Government might be wise to take note of this research
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shume@islandnet.com

© The Vancouver Sun 2008
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