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[spey]

i dont know y anybody would kill a cutthroat, ever. Especially right now as they are just about 2 spawn.

[Britguy]

i dont know y anybody would kill a cutthroat, ever. Especially right now as they are just about 2 spawn.

so you never fish for any salmon or trout that enter a river system to spawn and keep one
where do you fish?

[spey]

no, i just feel bad killing a cutthroat 

[tnt]

if people actually Knew how few adult Cuthroat are out there, they might think twice about killing them... nice fish, to bad there dead...Kill a chum they taste the same...

[bbronswyk2000]

if people actually Knew how few adult Cuthroat are out there, they might think twice about killing them... nice fish, to bad there dead...Kill a chum they taste the same...

I totally agree. You cant compare salmon to cutthroat. Go do some research on cutthroat or talk to some old timers who keep journals on cutthroat. You would be amazed at their decline.

[mastercaster]

if people actually Knew how few adult Cuthroat are out there, they might think twice about killing them... nice fish, to bad there dead...Kill a chum they taste the same...

I totally agree. You cant compare salmon to cutthroat. Go do some research on cutthroat or talk to some old timers who keep journals on cutthroat. You would be amazed at their decline.

You're right... cutts are definitely on the decline...but then again, what species of salmonid isn't on a major decline??

[firstlight]

I dont see anything wrong with the killing of these fish.
They were hatchery fish and they were well within there limit.
Spend your energy writing to the Ministry of Environment if you think they should be closed to retention.
I dont kill Cutthroat myself but im certainly not going to tell others what they can and cant keep if within the regs.

[Gooey]

First Light, with all the snow and crappy weather, there have been a lot of car accidents.  I would hazard a guess that many accidents even happen below the posted speed limit because of particularly bad conditions.  Now would you say a guy driving 70 in an 80 zone and who got into a car accident, did nothing wrong?  After all he was within the "limit"?  Certain times require higher levels of caution.  I think retaining these cutts on the chehalis are a very similiar example.   

I don't think anyone has suggested he broke any laws but sometimes just doing what the law requires isn't enough.  I personally look at those fish as having a far great value as living parts of an ecosystem who will propagate and increase the population...in comparison to being part of a meal. 

Just like cammer noted, I too have seen maybe a couple of cutts on the chehalis...and I have fished it for over 15 years.  These guys finding 3 specimens like this certainly is a surprise and they did ultimately remove a large chunk of the total population on that river.  This perspective is something I am sure they weren't aware of up til now...hopefully through dialog like this, they and others will reconsider such actions in the future.

[fossil]

Thanks for sharing your points, info and suggestions, I also agree with Gooey--sometimes just doing what the law requires isn't enough.

[Nicole]

I'm actually suprised that the Chehalis hatchery clips those cutts...

The populations should be given a chance to recover before kill fisheries are re-introduced.

Historically the Harrison had a world class throphy cutthroat fishery, with many fish in the 2-5 lb class... It's a shame we can't bring that back.

-Nicole

[blaydRnr]

i'm with firstlight.....if the law isn't enough then go to the higher up and ask for change.

as far as the speed limit analogy...there's what they refer to as 'tolerance'...that's why cops don't always pull you over when you're doing 
80 in a 70 zone.  how many times have you overtaken a car on the highway because you felt the driver was driving too slow even when you knew full well they were doing the speed limit?  semantics only solidify the argument that there is no right or wrong in this case.



 

[blaydRnr]

First Light, with all the snow and crappy weather, there have been a lot of car accidents.  I would hazard a guess that many accidents even happen below the posted speed limit because of particularly bad conditions.  Now would you say a guy driving 70 in an 80 zone and who got into a car accident, did nothing wrong?  After all he was within the "limit"?  Certain times require higher levels of caution.  I think retaining these cutts on the chehalis are a very similiar example.   

I don't think anyone has suggested he broke any laws but sometimes just doing what the law requires isn't enough.  I personally look at those fish as having a far great value as living parts of an ecosystem who will propagate and increase the population...in comparison to being part of a meal. 

Just like cammer noted, I too have seen maybe a couple of cutts on the chehalis...and I have fished it for over 15 years.  These guys finding 3 specimens like this certainly is a surprise and they did ultimately remove a large chunk of the total population on that river.  This perspective is something I am sure they weren't aware of up til now...hopefully through dialog like this, they and others will reconsider such actions in the future.

sometimes when i read your posts, i get offended...wasn't it  you 2 years ago who posted a picture of a summer run steelie (from the vedder) who took a lot of flack from some members because they accused you of retaining a fish from an endangered run?....i believe i was one of the few members who defended you on the same merit.  (maybe rodney can find and post that thread to help refresh your memory).

[Xgolfman]

If given any chance, guys will kill whatever they can for no other reason then that..WHY? Stop preaching about going to the higher up that's total B.S. excuse and only shows how weak some arguments are on here...No credible reason to kill those fish, just a shame!!!

[marmot]

I killed a searun cutty last year and felt like crap afterwards.  Didn't taste like chum though, was quite nice. 

Many people probably rely on the reg's (albeit too heavily) to tell them what is "reasonable" to keep within a system...people new to the fishery or simply people that are not as die hard as some of us are are doing nothing wrong "morally" by killing a couple fish if the only knowledge they have of a species sustainability is what they have gathered from the regs.  You can't expect people to "know" that the cutty population is hurting if it receives little press outside of certain circles.

Personally I'd like to see a no-kill reg. for them.

[blaydRnr]

If given any chance, guys will kill whatever they can for no other reason then that..WHY? Stop preaching about going to the higher up that's total B.S. excuse and only shows how weak some arguments are on here...No credible reason to kill those fish, just a shame!!!

just like how fishermen will kill doe white springs for their roe and give away the meat with disregard.

i guess we should just forget about diplomacy and get right into anarchy.