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[VAGAbond]

Cloudworks Energy is doing the same thing at the top end of Harrison Lake and Stave Lake.   Multiple hydro generating plants.

http://www.cloudworksenergy.com/project_updates.php?p=2&project_updatesID=7

[Fish Assassin]

Barry Penner announced that he will not be recommending the project to cabinet for approval.

[brood dude]

just heard on cbc that our environment minister has put the kibosh on the Pitt project! 

maybe our fish do have a futrue!!!

[coryandtrevor]

Wow that was quick !

[Rodney]

http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=5746471a-6f3d-44c0-8730-d417f7e1eae9&k=46907

[skibumAB]

Is this a real victory, from the news clip it looks like just the transmission line project was cancelled??
How can we stop the damming of the Upper Pitt for a power generation project?

[Trout Slayer]

No power lines=nowhere for the power from the dams to go.

[Rodney]

For those who missed the Global News at 5:00pm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1n9WPeJPQ

[mattcass]

This decision is fortunate/unfortunate. It was amazing to see the public outcry over this project, but the government really only decided to limit the construction of power lines, not run-of-the-river projects. Will other projects be built in more remote, more pristine, and more valuable areas of the province because this project might not go ahead? Will those projects receive the same public scrutiny? If the devastating effects of salmon farms on wild salmon are any indication, the general public only cares about what's close to home.

[Sam Salmon]

This decision is fortunate/unfortunate. It was amazing to see the public outcry over this project, but the government really only decided to limit the construction of power lines, not run-of-the-river projects. Will other projects be built in more remote, more pristine, and more valuable areas of the province because this project might not go ahead? Will those projects receive the same public scrutiny? If the devastating effects of salmon farms on wild salmon are any indication, the general public only cares about what's close to home.

You're mixing up two issues here-the meeting was about the Pitt/Burke Mountain issue.

There's no proof of any kind that run-of-the-river projects are damaging any Salmon runs anywhere.

Salmon aren't surviving when they reach the ocean because they aren't finding the phyto and zoo plankton they need to survive as Smolts-this is a direct result of warmer temperatures related to Global Climate change.

If Global Climate change is indeed caused by human activity then what can each person do to ameliorate their impact on the situation?

How many attendees at the meeting came in Single Occupant Vehicles?

How many drove 4x4s?

It's easy to point fingers but where is the electrcitiy to power your big screen TV/microwave/computer coming from?

[rocky]

food at sea is not the only problem for salmon as evidenced by what has happened down south. loss of habitat, pollution, lack of water flow due to agriculture, etc, has decimated fish stock. we are the stewards of the environment here and the benefits of messing up the pitt do not seem worth it. cascade's bottom line is quick and easy profit!

[mattcass]

This decision is fortunate/unfortunate. It was amazing to see the public outcry over this project, but the government really only decided to limit the construction of power lines, not run-of-the-river projects. Will other projects be built in more remote, more pristine, and more valuable areas of the province because this project might not go ahead? Will those projects receive the same public scrutiny? If the devastating effects of salmon farms on wild salmon are any indication, the general public only cares about what's close to home.

You're mixing up two issues here-the meeting was about the Pitt/Burke Mountain issue.

There's no proof of any kind that run-of-the-river projects are damaging any Salmon runs anywhere.

Salmon aren't surviving when they reach the ocean because they aren't finding the phyto and zoo plankton they need to survive as Smolts-this is a direct result of warmer temperatures related to Global Climate change.

If Global Climate change is indeed caused by human activity then what can each person do to ameliorate their impact on the situation?

How many attendees at the meeting came in Single Occupant Vehicles?

How many drove 4x4s?

It's easy to point fingers but where is the electrcitiy to power your big screen TV/microwave/computer coming from?

I was only using the salmon farm issue as an example. I never said run of the river hurt salmon runs. Please re-read.

All I meant is that the only reason the Pitt project received so much attention was that is it located close to Vancouver. Salmon farms are located hundreds of kilometers from Vancouver in remote areas of the province. Farms do an enormous amount of damage to wild stocks, far more than run of the river or a power line, but the issue could hardly fill a room in Vancouver with 1000 people.

[steeleagle]

It is for sure the loss of water flow that will kill them in the end. No Question!!
Look at the Alloette and Stave, Furry Creek Even the Cap.
When the water flow is restricted or regulated by humans and not by nature this is what throws the fish off and the don't know what to do. Some can't even make it into the spanning grounds anymore because of the dams blocking them, when they get moved over the dams by people they just fall back over it in the spring and Die!
The Stave river once had some of the Biggest Steelhead around, like 30+ monster but now there is barely any left because BC hydro built not one but two dams on that river system, and now they what a third....
This is got to end
If there is a shortage of power and we need extra for a good reason (not just to make quick cash) then go big. Build a huge power station far far away and connect it to the grid and it's done. At least it one river affected and not 500 streams and rivers. Our kids don't want to drive 16hrs or so go get some good fishing in(Alaska), lets preserve what we have and it could last for many many more generations.
It's all up to us now, the government has made up there mind and so has the money hungry companies that want to build these projects.
Another solution is to tunnel under a higher elevation lake that is large in size and tape in to it from the bottom. At least the way it doesn't directly effect the flow of the streams and rivers, in stead drain some water like a bath tub does. The one and only project that I would support is on th northern Island, they have at attempted this Idea and It's going to work (Almost complete now) which is a new step in hydro power. Maybe they don't need those hydro lines built through Tsawwassen after all.
As for farms, Move them the Hell out of here!! We now know that they are indeed killing the fish (or helping) get rid of them. There will be now safe place to have except in large tanks on land. If the Salmon population returns we can just eat wild salmon instead of farmed... it's a no brainer people
That is just my opinion though
Jesse

[Old Black Dog]

Another solution is to tunnel under a higher elevation lake that is large in size and tap in to it from the bottom. At least the way it doesn't directly effect the flow of the streams and rivers, in stead drain some water like a bath tub does. The one and only project that I would support is on the northern Island, they have at attempted this Idea and It's going to work (Almost complete now) which is a new step in hydro power.

And that would be the one near Zeballos.. They received 32+ feet of water in 2006.

[steeleagle]

yup that's true, I was over there about a month ago, toured the northern Island for Steel. Probably th rainiest place other then the
Charlotte's. Why not use that to our advantage to make power the "true green way".