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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2009, 09:47:46 AM »

Interesting reading some comments here.

It seems people in China try to get out of communism/socialism and some people here actually thinks it might be good.  :'(

There is a huge difference between socialism /communism in theory and what is being practiced in China!   Corruption can and has inflitrated every form of government...China happens to be a shining example of one of the most corrupt governments in the world.  You can blame the institution itself, I blame the people running it.

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2009, 07:32:29 PM »

He looks happy in those pictures.
Maybe .16 can make one happy looking. ::)

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2009, 10:46:53 PM »

Novabonker That was one powerful post & you stated the facts... If those pics were from the Vancouver Police Station instead of from Hawaii... maybe Cambell would not be our leader right now.( MAYBE HE WOULD OF BEEN FORCED TO STEP DOWN) ---- Why does the media back this guy???----- Why does D. Suzuki attack James ??? (doesn't attack Cambell)--Glad some people still can see the whole picture as you do.... A BIG SELL OUT IS HAPPENING...we the people will be the little surfs...while big bussiness people will be banking their millions & millions...  source... OUR POCKETS.
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2009, 05:38:16 AM »

Financial growth under Campbell?

Only if you drink the Kampbell Kool Aid ( Hint- It's the green replete with the floaties)

Under the Social Credit government, B.C.'s economy expanded from 1982 to 1991 by an average of 1.9 per cent annually.

From 1992 through to 2000, during the New Democrats' nine full years in power , B.C.'s GDP grew by an annual average of three per cent.

Under the BC Liberals, provincial GDP from 2001 through 2008 rose by an annual average of 2.8 per cent.

So it appears that red herring can't be cut and plugged.

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2009, 09:08:38 AM »

The Liberals drive to privatize power in BC - any other questions?

Oh no, there's nothing wrong with the Liberals business dealings…
 

Mark Grant, BC Liberal executive director, resigns December 12, 2008 to join Rupert Peace Power.

David Cyr, former Assistant to BC Liberal Minister Mike de Jong, is now a director at Plutonic Power.

Robert Poore, recently worked under the Provincial Revenue Minister of the Province of BC, now is a senior director at Plutonic Power.

Tom Syer, who has held a variety of senior positions in the BC Government including Gordon Campbell’s Deputy Chief of Staff, is now a director at Plutonic Power.

Bill Irwin, after holding key positions in the BC Ministries of Land and Water, and Crown Lands, now is a director at Plutonic Power.

Bruce Ripley spent the last 2 of his 16 years at BC Hydro as VP Engineering, now is President and CEO of Plutonic Power.

Elisha McCallum (Moreno), after 7 years with BC Hydro as a media relations manager, moved to a directorship with Plutonic Power.

Bruce Young, has held several high profile positions with the BC Liberal party and lobbied his own party on behalf of Katabatic Power is listed as a director of Atla Energy.

Stephen Kukucha, former senior policy advisor for the BC Ministry of Environment, is now president and CEO of Atla Energy.

Bob Herath, former Assistant Regional Water Manager for the BC Ministry of Environment is now with Syntaris Power.

Paul Taylor, after his work as President and CEO of crown corporation ICBC as well as high level positions in the BC Government, is now President and CEO of Naikun Wind Energy Group.

Michael J. O’Conner, former President and CEO of Crown Corporation BC Transit, now holds senior positions at Naikun.

Jackie Hamilton, formerly held various BC Government environmental assessment and regulatory management positions, is now a VP at Cloudworks Energy.

Michael Margolick, held positions in resource and strategic planning at BC Hydro, now is the Vice President of Power and Transmission planning at Naikun Wind.

Robert Price, after a 30-year career at BC Hydro and Power Authority which culminated as the utility’s Vancouver Island transmission line construction, supervision and operations manager, now a member of the Hawkeye ‘team’ (website is not clear on Price’s position at Hawkeye).

Mr. Paul Adams, after a 33-year career with BC Hydro in which he held senior management positions, now is another ‘team’ member at Hawkeye.

Doug Bishop, formerly 32 years with BC Hydro and Powerex, was contracted in 2004 by Plutonic Power.

Ron Monk former BC Hydro Engineer, now employed by Kerr Wood Leidal engineering firm used by IPPs.

Wayne Chambers, a former BC Hydro power plant and substation operator, now a manager at Cloudworks.

Alexander Kiess, after long career with BC Hydro in management, now works as a consultant to Syntaris Power.

Geoff Plant, former BC Liberal Attorney General, now chair of Renaissance Power.

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2009, 09:35:26 AM »

BC Conservative party will be getting my vote, this Province is being run so poorly and has been for way too long, NDP ??? Liberal ??? it doesn't seem to matter which party has the power... things just keep getting worse and this provinces debt keeps getting bigger.... maybe the Conservatives are just another bunch of false promise providers like the rest but I think they at least deserve a chance to make change.

10 POINT PLATFORM
Election 2009

1. HEALTH CARE


 Implement Performance-Based Health Care Solutions
 Allow More Competitive Delivery Options Within a Publicly -Funded Health Care System


2. ABORIGINAL LAND CLAIMS


 Oppose Aboriginal Title in the Recognition and Reconciliation Bill

3. THE ENVIRONMENT


 Eliminate the Carbon Tax
 Maintain Control of Our Lakes and Rivers


4. THE ECONOMY


 Reduce Regulation and Taxes to Stimulate Business and Create Jobs
 Expand Resource Development


5. TAXATION


 Reduce the PST by 1 percent in 2009
 Make the BC PST More Investment-Friendly
 Lower Personal and Corporate Income Taxes
 Eliminate the BC Property Transfer Tax
 Eliminate Excessive Salaries Awarded to Government Employees and MLAs



6. EDUCATION


 Provide Education Funding Based on an Equal Per-Student Funding Formula Payable to the School of Choice
 Repeal the Corren Agreement and Restore the Principle of Parental Rights in the Education System for BC Children
 Provide Tuition Assistance for All Qualifying Post Secondary Students



7. INFRASTRUCTURE


 Initiate Equalized Province-Wide Infrastructure Funding
 Eliminate Discriminatory Tolls



8. CRIME and JUSTICE


 Reform the Justice System and Enhance Personal Security
 Address Crime Where Crime Begins
 Create and Publish a Criminal Offenders Registry
 Revamp the BC Human Rights Tribunal
 Reform Statute Law for both ICBC and Work Safe BC, and Create Understandable and Accessible Appeal Processes Within the Courts for Both



9. GOOD GOVERNMENT


 Provide MLAs with the Right to a Free Vote in the Legislature
 Implement a Preferential Ballot Electoral Voting System
 Implement Elections for BC Federal Senators


10. FREEDOM of SPEECH



 Completely Repeal the Gag Law


I guess we will find out soon enough

cheers

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2009, 10:07:55 AM »

BC Conservative party will be getting my vote, this Province is being run so poorly and has been for way too long, NDP ??? Liberal ??? it doesn't seem to matter which party has the power... things just keep getting worse and this provinces debt keeps getting bigger.... maybe the Conservatives are just another bunch of false promise providers like the rest but I think they at least deserve a chance to make change.


I'm leaning this way as well......  Although it is unlikely that the BC Conservatives will be able to elect many candidates in BC, they may take enough votes from the current parties so hopefully they will take note. I hate the bad taste that the Lib/NDP parties keep leaving me with after they've had a feed at the public trough. Unfortunately, personally roughing them up is not an option......  >:(  so I need to use my vote!
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2009, 11:38:18 AM »

ABC- Anyone But Campbell. I'm glad to see a party to split the right wing votes has cropped up. Now if we could just get one that puts the interests of ALL British Columbians ahead of the  "friends and family" program we have going now.
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2009, 12:38:36 PM »

What is the point of this post?  You don't think the NDP rewarded their big union loyalists with plum posts?  Get real.

The Liberals drive to privatize power in BC - any other questions?

Oh no, there's nothing wrong with the Liberals business dealings…
 

Mark Grant, BC Liberal executive director, resigns December 12, 2008 to join Rupert Peace Power.

David Cyr, former Assistant to BC Liberal Minister Mike de Jong, is now a director at Plutonic Power.

Robert Poore, recently worked under the Provincial Revenue Minister of the Province of BC, now is a senior director at Plutonic Power.

Tom Syer, who has held a variety of senior positions in the BC Government including Gordon Campbell’s Deputy Chief of Staff, is now a director at Plutonic Power.

Bill Irwin, after holding key positions in the BC Ministries of Land and Water, and Crown Lands, now is a director at Plutonic Power.

Bruce Ripley spent the last 2 of his 16 years at BC Hydro as VP Engineering, now is President and CEO of Plutonic Power.

Elisha McCallum (Moreno), after 7 years with BC Hydro as a media relations manager, moved to a directorship with Plutonic Power.

Bruce Young, has held several high profile positions with the BC Liberal party and lobbied his own party on behalf of Katabatic Power is listed as a director of Atla Energy.

Stephen Kukucha, former senior policy advisor for the BC Ministry of Environment, is now president and CEO of Atla Energy.

Bob Herath, former Assistant Regional Water Manager for the BC Ministry of Environment is now with Syntaris Power.

Paul Taylor, after his work as President and CEO of crown corporation ICBC as well as high level positions in the BC Government, is now President and CEO of Naikun Wind Energy Group.

Michael J. O’Conner, former President and CEO of Crown Corporation BC Transit, now holds senior positions at Naikun.

Jackie Hamilton, formerly held various BC Government environmental assessment and regulatory management positions, is now a VP at Cloudworks Energy.

Michael Margolick, held positions in resource and strategic planning at BC Hydro, now is the Vice President of Power and Transmission planning at Naikun Wind.

Robert Price, after a 30-year career at BC Hydro and Power Authority which culminated as the utility’s Vancouver Island transmission line construction, supervision and operations manager, now a member of the Hawkeye ‘team’ (website is not clear on Price’s position at Hawkeye).

Mr. Paul Adams, after a 33-year career with BC Hydro in which he held senior management positions, now is another ‘team’ member at Hawkeye.

Doug Bishop, formerly 32 years with BC Hydro and Powerex, was contracted in 2004 by Plutonic Power.

Ron Monk former BC Hydro Engineer, now employed by Kerr Wood Leidal engineering firm used by IPPs.

Wayne Chambers, a former BC Hydro power plant and substation operator, now a manager at Cloudworks.

Alexander Kiess, after long career with BC Hydro in management, now works as a consultant to Syntaris Power.

Geoff Plant, former BC Liberal Attorney General, now chair of Renaissance Power.

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2009, 12:53:29 PM »

im voting republican.
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »

This is going to be a though one. The Liberals are crooks lead by an alcoholic. The NDP is the cheap prostitute of the unions, plus their combined economic wisdom is that of a turnip. Carol James makes me nauseous the moment she opens her mouth. The green party is a bunch of recycled hippies-tree hugging-dope smokers that live in la-la land.

What is one to do? Vote Conservative of course! ;D
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2009, 06:14:45 PM »

Now the Solicitor General John van Dongen had to mail in his driver's license for too many speeding tickets. ::)

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »

bcguy I for one did like your post.... It tells me all his privatization is helping out alot of those connected with or indirectly with the gov. --------And more to come if he gets re-elected. ---------- The poll here at FWR is nearly double for the NDP over ABC ha... (anyone but Cambell... that's a good one Novabonker)................ Personally like the drawing they had of Cambell a few years ago.... long & longer nose...........  Anyone who wants to nail to the cross a toll of $136 per month average to each driver to go over the new Port Mann Bridge x 75000 veicles daily ...my guess... that is big bucks.... Will he keep us informed immeadiately when the toll will stop... or will the tolls continue for x number of years .... as it's a BIG MONEY GRAB for "someone"...... I don't trust liars when it comes to how they cut the money pie........................The face & eyes of Cambell tell me he cannot be trusted............................. Even though I'm a Christian ... maybe there's a party that will legalize pot.... so at least they can tax it. As it is now only the under world makes the money. ---- I do not smoke pot but have yrs ago.... smoking a few joints is no worst then having a few beers. Legalization of it as I say will bring in tax money plus free up alot of the police officers to fight real crime... not ot mention free up the cts. & jails. -------------------------------Legalization will also stop alot of murders where gangs are killing other gangs......& all the pot houses.....  Honesty fairness...legalize pot....no $4 tolls on bridges ...maybe $1 max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the end
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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #88 on: April 24, 2009, 09:57:43 PM »

Comment from a former minister:

Hi Everybody, Rafe here.

I received an email from a man saying that he has a tough time bringing himself to vote NDP and asked for my comment and here it is. I hope you find it of interest.

Please pass this on to your address book so that we can provide information where the media will not.

Let me take a moment to answer your question which is one that has troubled a lot of people including myself.

When I was in government (1975-80) I was Minister, first, for Consumer and Corporate Affairs. During that time I passed more consumer legislation than anyone before or since including licensing Car dealers (with six of them in caucus setting their collective hair on fire) forced the Banks to acknowledge and obey BC laws for the first time, forced serious reporting changes to the Vancouver Stock Exchanges for which they have never forgiven me, licensed Travel Agents and made them create a fund to bring home passengers stranded by bankrupt charter companies and so on.

As Environment Minister I stopped the government killing of wolves, stopped exploration for and mining of uranium and went to Seattle and negotiated the saving of the Skagit River from a raising of the Ross Dam which Seattle was permitted to do under a 1941 deal with the BC government.

As Minister of Health I brought in the Homecare program and Palliative Care.

I tell you all these things because there is no way in the world I could have ever done these things for the public of BC had Gordon Campbell been Premier.

The political ground has shifted dramatically and the present day version of the old Socreds is, I think, the party Carole James leads. I know that there are supporters of Ms James that are hard line lefties just as when I was with Bill Bennett there were supporters and indeed members of Caucus who were near fascists. That sort of thing will always happen in a two party system.

If it were 1975 all over again, I'd support Bill Bennett (the best premier BC ever had, in my view); in 2009 I will support Carole James.

Now as to the point that Campbell "cleaned up the mess". Perhaps, but let's be fair and observe that the NDP were struck by the "Asian 'flu" and in fact balanced the budget in their last year. It's also interesting to note that under the Liberals the Vancouver Convention Centre is over budget $400 million, more than double the cost of the "fast ferries". For a fuller account of the Liberals financial record may I refer you to my forthcoming article, next Monday, in www.thetyee.ca.

Now let's look at 2009. This election, for me, boils down to a single issue - the environment and the plans by Campbell to deface and destroy the province I was born in and love and where 7 out of 8 of my grandchildren live. The energy policy, in which no one but industry had a hand in formulating, will ruin an ever increasing number of rivers, not to look after BC's energy needs, but mostly, American requirements, I have nothing against Americans and in fact have often been accused of being to lenient with them, but I don't want to see us sacrifice our environment rivers so they can preserve theirs. This policy is government by the North America Free Trade Agreement and our experts tell us three things-

1. once an American company has access to our water for any reason, it can use it for any reason Including selling bulk water exports.

2. Once an American company has tenure on a Canadian water and is using it, that tenure cannot be terminated either by contract or legislation.

3. Once we are exporting energy, we cannot reduce that supply to the US without reducing our own usage by a similar amount (this is the "Proportionality Clause").

Moreover, the profits which BC Hydro now pays into our treasury will go as dividends to shareholders of Companies like General Electric, Ledcor and Axos. BC Hydro, forced by this government to pay huge amounts for energy that they can't even break even with when they sell it, will bankrupt BC Hydro for which we paid a high environmental price 45 years ago but which has since then given us regular power at 1/10th the cost they pay in California. Dr Marvin Shaffer at SFU calls this new business technique "buy high, sell low"!

If Campbell is returned we will be, like Bre'r Rabbit, stuck to the American Tar Baby.

There is but one other choice, vote NDP.

But will this not mean the financial ruination of the province?

I don't believe so for a moment. But let us assume for the sake of argument an NDP government made a balls up of the economy. That can be repaired by a new government. However, once we have established the Campbell Energy Plan for another four years that will be the end of BC Hydro and the end of hundreds of rivers. FOREVER.

I cannot allow that to happen without giving it the fight of my life.

I, a former Socred minister, with the same core values I had then, am supporting and will vote for Carole James.

Sincerely,

Rafe


Please take the time to look at www.saveourrivers.ca and get the bigger picture

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Re: BC Election - Who ya gonna vote for?
« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2009, 09:58:34 PM »

legalize pot....no $4 tolls on bridges ...maybe $1 max. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the end

Sounds like a good election platform right there.........   ::) ;D ;D
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