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fish_on

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Stave River parking along 287 St
« on: October 17, 2009, 09:28:37 PM »

Several vehicles parked along 287th (riverside) had parking ticket on their windshields last Friday...what's happening??
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 11:05:05 PM »

hmm that's weird, I parked there today and it was ok. Didn't see any signs there either that say you can't park there  ???
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 11:09:24 PM »

perhaps your not allowed to on weekdays  :-\
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 11:18:01 PM »

various anglers came into the shop today, ALL had tickets from yesterday.
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2009, 08:27:49 AM »

Maybe these people were parked half on the road and half off the road? This would be considered dangerous and possible reason for a ticket?
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2009, 01:01:27 PM »

I think that you may be correct, BB.

I drove by and saw a lot of vehicles with paper under the wiper, all of them were parked partially on the road.  Everyone had pulled off as far as they could, but, there is no real shoulder along that stretch.  Part of your vehicle has to remain on the road.  I would guess that there must have been some complaint from a resident?  Or perhaps one of the local RCMP just happened to drive by.

There is also construction being done at the dam.  Perhaps the 1/2 on 1/2 off vehicles were a problem for the construction crew?
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 04:09:30 PM »

various anglers came into the shop today, ALL had tickets from yesterday.

CC...did they tell you if they were fines or just warning. When I saw them on the windshields, the ticket has a warning on it. Perhaps, these were issued as warning. I too did not see any posted signs regarding parking restrictions.

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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 04:27:15 PM »

They are just warnings for now. I got one the other day. It states that you cannot park on the roadway like that because they consider it to be a sidewalk for pedestrians. We were parked well of the side of the road. It stated that it will result in a fine if it is ignored. If that is the case, where would we park?
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 04:41:35 PM »

Looking at the drivesmartBC website, there is a bit of parking info: "When you are parking in an area that is not business or residential, you must not park on the roadway. This means that you must be entirely to the right of the solid white edge line, or off of the pavement if there is no solid white line painted at the right edge."

There IS a solid white edge line along most of the common parking areas along 287th/Wilson.

Looked at the Mission by-laws too, the only thing that looked somewhat relevant was this:
"2189-1990
8.10
Manner of Parking
Except when the Municipality or the Minister of Transportation and Highways permits, a driver shall not stop, stand or park a vehicle on a roadway other than on the right side of the roadway and with the right hand wheels parallel to that side, and where there is a curb, within 30 cm of the curb.
2502-1992
Except when the Municipality permits otherwise, where parking is permitted on both sides of a one way street, a driver parking on the left hand side of the roadway shall only stop, stand or park a vehicle with the left hand wheels parallel to that side, and where there is a curb, within 30 cm of the curb.
3280-1999-1698(10)
Notwithstanding the above, no driver shall stop, stand, or park a vehicle in a manner which obstructs the traveled surface of a highway."

So, other than possibly obstructing the travelled surface of the roadway, what is there? I looked closely on my way there today and there are no "no parking" signs anywhere even close.

funfisher, was the ticket from the City of Mission? or the RCMP?
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 05:05:24 PM »

A bit more from the MVA:

Where parking prohibited

187  (1) Subject to subsection (3), if outside of a business or residence district it is practicable to stop, park or leave a vehicle off the roadway, a person must not stop, park or leave the vehicle either unattended or attended on the roadway.

(2) Subject to subsection (3), a person must not park a vehicle so as to obstruct the free passage of traffic on the highway.

(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply when a vehicle is so disabled that it is not practicable to avoid stopping and temporarily leaving it on a highway.

When vehicle stopping prohibited

189  (1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with traffic or to comply with the law or the directions of a peace officer or traffic control device, a person must not stop, stand or park a vehicle as follows:

(a) on a sidewalk or boulevard;  (bolding is mine)

(b) in front of a public or private driveway;

(c) in an intersection, except as permitted by a sign;

(d) within 5 m of a fire hydrant measured from a point in the curb or edge of the roadway that is closest to the fire hydrant;

(e) on a crosswalk;

(f) within 6 m of the approach side of a crosswalk;

(g) within 6 m on the approach to a flashing beacon, stop sign or traffic control signal located at the side of a roadway;

(h) within 6 m either side of the entrance to or exit from a hotel, theatre, public meeting place, dance hall, fire hall or playground in rural area;

(i) within 15 m of the nearest rail of a railway crossing;

(j) subject to subsection (4), on a highway for the principal purpose of

(i)  displaying a vehicle for sale,

(ii)  advertising, greasing, painting, wrecking, storing or repairing a vehicle, unless repairs are necessitated by an emergency,

(iii)  displaying signs, or

(iv)  selling flowers, fruit, vegetables, sea foods or other commodities or articles;

(k) alongside or opposite a street excavation or obstruction when stopping, standing or parking obstructs traffic;

(l) on the roadway side of a vehicle stopped or parked at the edge or curb of a roadway;

(m) on a bridge or other elevated structure on a highway, or in a highway tunnel, except as permitted by a traffic control device;

(n) in a place in contravention of a traffic control device that gives notice that stopping, standing or parking there is prohibited or restricted;

(o) in a manner that obstructs the visibility of a standard traffic sign erected by or with the authority of the Minister of Transportation and Highways, a municipality or a treaty first nation.

(2) A person must not move a vehicle that is not lawfully under his or her control into a place mentioned in subsection (1).

(3) Despite subsection (1) (f), a municipality may provide by bylaw that if authorized by a sign posted by the municipality a person may park a cycle or motorcycle within 6 m of the approach side of a crosswalk if the cycle or motorcycle is

(a) of a size that, and

(b) parked so that

it does not obstruct a motorist’s view of the crosswalk or an intersection.

(3.1) If a municipality enacts a bylaw referred to in subsection (3), or a treaty first nation enacts a law having the same effect, a person may park a cycle or motorcycle in accordance with the bylaw or law.

(4) Subsection (1) (j) does not apply to a person acting under and in accordance with an authorization given under section 62 (2) or (6) of the Transportation Act.


Definitions:
"boulevard" means the area between the curb lines, the lateral lines or the shoulder of a roadway and the adjacent property line;
"sidewalk" means the area between the curb lines or lateral lines of a roadway and the adjacent property lines improved for the use of pedestrians;

Although there really isn't an adjacent property line on the east side of the road, I think the very wide paved shoulder probably qualifies as a "sidewalk" based on these definitions....
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 07:22:48 PM »

I got one of these on my windshield last week and it was only a warning. Not sure if they are really going to issue fines or not. I think they should at least post some signs up on the sign of the road if parking is an issue.

I scanned the note here:
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 07:38:57 AM »

Anything further on this? Is there anywhere to park on the west side now?
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 08:52:31 AM »

I still park there, but I make sure I am completely off the paved surface. Don't know if it's any more "legal" or not, but I haven't received any warnings or tickets.
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 12:35:12 PM »

The problem with munis in the Fraser Valley is that they continually advertise for visitors to come to their community and then they make it as hard a possible to actually do that by imposing parking restrictions and not providing alternative parking.   Chilliwack is bad, Hope and Mission are far worse.
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Re: Stave River parking along 287 St
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 01:47:35 PM »

Thanks Hohumm.
I want to fish the lower and don't want to lanuch my zodiac at the toilet bowl (too far upstream to get back).
I'll give it a try tomorrow.
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