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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #300 on: May 21, 2010, 08:51:43 AM »

--Businesses employ people like you and me.  If a business is profitable, it has the ability to grow and prosper - likewise the employees who work there - not all - but there are a lot of good businesses who do treat their people well

--I have a simple solution, although it will get so complicated after discussion that it will not be implemented....For these small and even large multinational companies... If you want to give them a tax break then charge tax on money they take out of the country.

--If they reinvest in Canada I have no problem with them making money.. I only get annoyed when we give them a tax break.. which they conscider as profit and take it outside of the country. It is only an advantage if others don't get it.. If everyone pays taxes and I don't... I'm receiving a benefit that I can use to my advantage.
--If a company is willing to pay full educational expenses for its employees children then I have no issue with them not paying school tax.. etc.


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« Reply #301 on: May 22, 2010, 12:02:45 PM »

Looks like the LIEberals are feeling the heat.
How convenient! In recent weeks, Elections B.C. chief electoral officer Harry Neufeld has twice ruled against the B.C. Liberal government on matters relating to the ongoing initiative against the HST. June 5th is his last day. The Liberals want him out & replaced by someone not so impartial! Anyone Surprised?

Story here: http://www.straight.com/article-325403/vancouver/bc-chief-electoral-officer-leave-post-hst-petition-submitted

And on it goes...

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« Reply #302 on: May 27, 2010, 05:01:44 AM »

Port Coquitlam – Fight HST Lead Organizer, Chris Delaney, says the petition to repeal the HST has crossed the Elections BC 10% threshold in 83 of 85 ridings with over 6 weeks still to go in the campaign.

Delaney says the Fight HST internal threshold of 15% or more has been reached in 57 of 85 ridings.

“These numbers are particularly exciting, since they represent only 64 of 85 ridings reporting. Many areas of the province that had reached their targets took a break for the long weekend. We’ll finish up the remaining two ridings next weekend, and will meet both the Elections BC requirement of 10% as well as our own internal threshold of 15% in all ridings by the first or second week of June,” said Delaney.

Delaney says that the petition to repeal the HST has reached a critical mass. “There is nothing more to wait for. There is no need for a referendum, no need for more delays and wasting of taxpayers’ time and money. The petition has become a referendum. And the result of that referendum is clear. British Columbians do not want the HST.”

Fight HST leader, Bill Vander Zalm, is calling on Premier Campbell to cancel the HST now.

“What is he waiting for? The numbers are overwhelming. He is our servant, not our master, and even his number one argument that the HST is good for the economy has been refuted by the Prime Minister himself, who last week at a G8 Youth Forum said ‘You can’t tax an economy into prosperity’.”

“Cancel the HST now Mr. Campbell. The people of BC are waiting for you to act on their behalf. Failure to do so will result in you becoming the first premier in Canadian history to be fired by the people in a Recall,” said Vander Zalm.

Vander Zalm says that Recall campaigns can begin 18 months after a provincial election. That means the first Recalls in BC can be launched in November, 2010.

Vander Zalm says the timing is perfect, since the anti-HST petition will be submitted on July 5, after which Elections BC will have 42 days to check the petition. Once the petition is validated, the Legislature will reconvene in September to vote on the bill to repeal the HST.

Vander Zalm says if the BC Government votes it down or tries to play games by delaying it or going to a costly and time wasting referendum, then his organization will immediately begin Recalls in selected ridings.

“The people have drawn a line in the sand with their government, and the government seems to have drawn a line in the sand with the people. There can only be one winner in that contest if democracy is to survive in BC,” said Vander Zalm.
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« Reply #303 on: May 27, 2010, 09:49:27 AM »

Yay!  Let's all cut and paste!

Political chameleon Bill Vander Zalm rides anti-HST wave
 
 
BY STEPHEN HUME, VANCOUVER SUN MAY 25, 2010
 
 
Former premier Bill Vander Zalm's dog-and-pony show wends its way through British Columbia's disgruntled hinterlands, our Wonderful Wizard of Oz gleefully tapping the anti-HST sentiment that has become a convenient lightning rod for resentment toward a Liberal government that's outstayed its welcome.

Reports gleaned from the weekly newspapers suggest Vander Zalm's legendary charm has been on display at its dazzling best. In one place, he's the champion of householders beleaguered by the evil property-transfer tax -- unrepentant and largely unchallenged over the fact that his government introduced the hated levy.

In another, he's the dragon-slayer of big Liberal government and defender of small business -- and who cares that while he was premier the small-business tax was nine per cent while under the Liberals it is 3.5 per cent and is going to zero in 2012?

In another, Vander Zalm's the wise town-hall democrat, warning Liberal backbenchers that unless they abandon their government and its commitment to the HST and join his crusade, the people will banish them as they did the federal Progressive Conservatives, later forced to sell their souls to Reform Party radicals in a right-wing coalition. And why should anyone worry that on Vander Zalm's watch once-unassailable Social Credit imploded?

In yet another, he's a "power to the people" reformer, the magnanimous non-partisan leader of all, a bridge over troubled waters in this polarized province.

"I cut across party lines," he told the South Delta Leader back at the beginning of May. "When I have town-hall meetings I have New Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, I have Green Party members, Refederation Party people. They are all there."

I cut across party lines. You can say that again. Vander Zalm ran as a Liberal in 1972. When that bus stalled, he waved the wizard's wand and became a Socred. By 1999, with Social Credit a glowing crater in his wake, he was running for the Reform Party.

Those whose memories are hazy regarding the unravelling of Vander Zalm's government should revisit the report by conflict-of-interest commissioner Ted Hughes. It dealt with the premier's conduct while negotiating the sale of his theme park. Vander Zalm resigned immediately after receiving it.

Now he boasts his anti-HST campaign can be the catalyst for a new provincial party that will reform B.C. politics.

"I'm saying the Liberals in Victoria are opening the door for another party," he told the South Delta paper.

Would Vander Zalm lead this new party? He says no, but then, this is the Liberal-Socred-Reform shape-shifter who once thought the property-transfer tax was a splendid idea.

So it's not unreasonable to wonder whether there might be a hidden agenda, one that would position him to be "available" if the tide was flowing strongly in his favour or to play kingmaker for someone else.

Meanwhile, Carole James and the NDP shovel coal into the over-heated boiler of Vander Zalm's anti-HST express: Who better to reap the benefits of a new party splitting the right-of-centre vote than those who have so often suffered left-of-centre vote-splitting?

As do the provincial Conservatives, themselves driven into the political wilderness following scandals whose stench tainted party fortunes for the next 80 years.

According to the Abbotsford Times, today's reborn Conservatives aim to surf the anti-HST wave and become that third party, displacing Liberals as the right-of-centre choice.

They would ride to power on a pledge to nix the HST, axe the property-transfer tax, slash corporate taxes, double personal-income-tax exemptions and get rid of the provincial sales tax.

By what hocus-pocus they'd recover the lost revenue -- about $11 billion a year, at my guess -- isn't clear. But there are only two ways to do it: Raise taxes somewhere else or further slash government spending. Which would mean cutting programs for the homeless and the elderly, health or education, since they account for most of the provincial budget.

However, as I say, in the Land of Oz, political wizards need only wave their wands and the yellow brick road appears to lead the faithful to that Emerald City, where all desires may be fulfilled and nobody pays any taxes.

shume@islandnet.com

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Liberals seize potential way to cool HST debate
 
 
BY VAUGHN PALMER, VANCOUVER SUN MAY 26, 2010
 
 
It was a day when Premier Gordon Campbell showed his sense of humour hasn't deserted him during the furore over the harmonized sales tax.

Was anything more unpopular than the HST? "Well, potentially there's me," he told reporters. "Other than that, there's not much I can think of."

A day, too, when he discounted the threat of recall over the tax. "I've been subject to recall before," he told reporters, referring to failed efforts in 1998 and 2003.

And it was also a day when the often-absent premier made a rare appearance during question period in the legislature to signal how the B.C. Liberals would respond to the near-certainty of a successful petition against the HST.

"If the initiative passes we will carry out the work as laid out in the legislation," said Campbell, referring to the provincial law that allows the public to initiate measures by petition.

Once a petition is validated it is sent to the committee on legislative initiatives. The committee then has 30 days to meet and 90 days to "consider" the initiative.

The B.C. Liberals have every intention of letting that process play out through the fall, according to Campbell: "The initiative will be submitted to the legislative committee for their decision and their direction."

Not good enough for the Opposition New Democrats, who want to expedite the process while the anti-HST mood is on the boil.

Party finance critic Bruce Ralston demanded Campbell either "call a referendum or submit the [measure] to the legislature, not to the committee."

Not likely. After all, the more leisurely committee route is the one specified in the Recall and Initiative Act, legislation drafted by the New Democrats themselves when they were in government in the 1990s.

"I am sure the member is aware of the legislation," the premier replied. "If the initiative is successful, it will be submitted to a legislative committee and they will take the next appropriate steps."

The committee, six Liberals and four New Democrats selected by their respective caucuses, has a relatively free hand.

It can hold hearings, call witnesses, and otherwise scrutinize the initiative, which proposes to extinguish the HST, restore the old provincial sales tax, and compensate British Columbians on a per-capita basis for the balance of any taxes paid.

Given the government majority, the committee will doubtless use the time to try to bring what the Liberals would describe as some much-needed perspective on the question of whether or not repeal is workable and, if so, at what financial penalties to the province.

While the committee is conducting its deliberations, Campbell intends to take the fight into the public arena.

"You may rest assured that I will be out in British Columbia, and I will be reminding British Columbians that this is about their jobs in forestry, in mining," he told the house.

"This is about investment in British Columbia. This is about a competitive tax regime. This is about thinking about our children and their future. That's what this government stands for."

The New Democrats shouldn't have been disappointed to discover that the premier intends to prolong the debate, given that he has to date lost every single round. But they continued to press him to short-circuit the process and send the initiative to the legislature or commit to a referendum then and there.

To recap the contents of their own legislation, it says that at the end of the 90 days of consideration, the committee shall make up its mind. Either to recommend the proposed measure to the legislature. Or to reject it, whereupon it goes to the public for approval in an "initiative vote," conducted as a provincewide referendum.

So in effect Campbell is committed to allow one or the other.

If the committee were to recommend the bill -- not likely, given the Liberal majority -- it would go to the house when it sits in February of 2011. If the referendum option, then the vote would be held on the date specified in law, the last Saturday in September 2011.

Were the New Democrats suggesting that the referendum be brought forward? Not at all, said Opposition House leader Mike Farnworth. The date specified in the existing legislation was fine with them.

Thus the Liberals have seized on a potential way to cool the debate over the HST.

Committee work this fall, leading to referendum in the fall of 2011. And a referendum, be it noted, that would be easier for the government to defeat than the current petition against the HST.

To pass, the initiative vote needs to carry 57 of the current 85 provincial ridings, which is probably doable. It also needs the support of "more than 50 per cent of the total number of registered voters in the province." Meaning 1.5 million "yes" votes, more than the combined vote for both the Liberals and the NDP in the last provincial election.

Not impossible but an uphill fight, even for forces as well organized as the ones arrayed against the HST.

But in order to survive until the fall of 2011, the government would face its own challenges. Not least the need to turn back the threat of recall, however much Campbell is inclined to discount it.

vpalmer@vancouversun.com
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #304 on: May 27, 2010, 09:57:20 PM »



From my buddy Bill. ;D ;D


Hello Chris

Congratulations to all our canvassers! In just half the alloted time, we have already achieved success greater than anyone could have imagined.

We have confounded and amazed the pundits, the academics, the naysayers, and yes - even the government!

We have hit our internal threshold of 15% in 57 of the 85 ridings, and are very close to that in many remaining.

This weekend we have the chance to hit 15% in ALL 85 ridings. But we need everyone in the Tri Cities, Burnaby, Richmond, Vancouver and North and West Vancouver to come together to make it happen.

And those of you in ridings that are close by - we can use your help if you can volunteer in the remaining ridings too!

To those ridings that have achieved their targets: the more signatures we get - the louder the message to government!

This week, for the first time, Premier Campbell admitted he now knew that British Columbians didn't like his tax. Now is our chance to tell him loud and clear to abolish the HST!

Let's push our numbers as high as we can this weekend, and send the govenment a message they can't ignore!

Thank you for your dedication, time, sacrifice and hard work! British Columbia, we have proven that together, we can make a difference

Good luck this weekend!

 

Bill Vander Zalm

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« Reply #305 on: May 28, 2010, 12:51:21 PM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Fight HST leader Bill Vander Zalm says they have reached the 10 per-cent threshold in all 85 ridings in BC.

The last riding to reach the plateau is Vancouver-Langara.

Ten percent is the minimum requirement of Elections BC but the Fight HST leader says they're not done yet.

Vander Zalm says:

"....... we're targeting 15 percent, in some constituencies we're far beyond that....and in about 55 or so constituencies we have reached 15 percent or beyond"

The petition campaign continues until July 5th.

Vander Zalm was speaking on the Bill Good Show on CKNW.
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« Reply #306 on: May 28, 2010, 04:58:22 PM »

Will the HST deliver lower prices to consumers?
 
 
BY KEVIN MILLIGAN, VANCOUVER SUN MAY 28, 2010
 
 
As the public continues to chew on the harmonized sales tax debate, one particular bone catches in many a person's throat. HST proponents claim that business savings from the HST will be passed through to consumers in the form of lower prices. The public seems very skeptical on this point. Economists can bring some insight to this heated debate.

First, though, let's take a quick primer on the HST. The provincial government collects about $5 billion a year from the provincial sales tax. A significant part of this revenue comes from tax on business inputs -- things like tires for delivery trucks and computers for their workers. These costs end up embedded in the prices we pay -- we just don't see them. With the coming of the HST, taxation of business inputs will end. Soon, businesses will get a credit for every HST dollar they spend. Ending the taxation of business inputs provides a fountain of tangible benefits. The HST will lead to more investment and jobs, less complexity for companies and less bureaucracy in Victoria.

Even HST opponents don't seem to deny these benefits. Their ire, instead, is focused on changes in what is taxed under the HST, and who is paying the tax. The HST will cover some goods and services that weren't covered by the PST, such as haircuts and carwashing. These newly covered items will bring in about $2 billion in revenue. Offsetting this revenue increase is the new input tax credit for businesses, which will cost about $2 billion. If the tax credits are passed through completely to consumers, then the HST will be a wash for consumers as a whole -- $2 billion up and $2 billion down.

On the other hand, if businesses just use the tax credits to pad their profits by $2 billion, consumers will face a steeper tax burden. Understanding pass-through is obviously pivotal to the HST debate.

What do economic textbooks tell us happens when business costs drop? The answer depends on the degree of competition in a particular market. When customers have many choices, any business that passes its tax savings on to its own prices will steal customers from its competitors. If other competitors try to keep prices high, they face the loss of customers and profit.

In this way, profit-loving companies are forced through competitive pressures to pass on the savings. Businesses do not pass savings through to be nice. They do it because they want to maintain their market share and hold tight to their profits. Of course, if a market is dominated by a single business, the absence of alternatives for consumers means that the competitive pressure to reduce prices is absent. How much pass-through we can expect depends on the competitiveness of markets and how price-conscious B.C. consumers will be.

Textbook lessons can fall apart on the way from the lecture hall to the street. In this case, however, there is substantial, real-world evidence on the question of pass-through. In France in 1999, the tax rate on home repair services fell from 20.6 per cent to 5.5 per cent. A recent study showed that more than three-quarters of this tax break was passed on to customers. The pass-through didn't happen by government regulation or edict. The drive for profit led companies to do it in order to maintain market share from their competitors. Profit-hungry companies need to keep their customers if they want to keep their profit.

Closer to home, the three Atlantic provinces that implemented the HST in 1997 provide a relevant example for B.C. An analysis by Richard Bird and Michael Smart of the University of Toronto found that the HST tax breaks were almost completely passed on to consumers.

For example, prices for furniture and household appliances fell about three per cent in the first year after implementation because of the new business input credits -- and they stayed down.

Economic logic and experience inform us that, while we might not see a complete benefit, we can expect a solid share of the business savings to be passed through to consumers.

Kevin Milligan is an associate professor of economics at the University of British Columbia.

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« Reply #307 on: May 28, 2010, 10:57:30 PM »

Democracy- DIRECT DEMOCRACY - Wins!

Now to refute the above claptrap voodoo economics, here's some refreshing and honest reality about sticky pricing and the spurious and bullspit claims about lower prices.

Sticky, in the social sciences and particularly economics, describes a situation in which a variable is resistant to change. For example, nominal wages are often said to be sticky in the short run. Market forces may reduce the real value of labour in an industry, but wages will tend to remain at previous levels in the short run. This can be due to institutional factors such as price regulations, legal contractual commitments (e.g. office leases and employment contracts), labour unions, human stubbornness, or self-interest. Stickiness normally applies in one direction. For example, a variable that is "sticky downward" will be reluctant to drop even if conditions dictate that it should. However, in the long run wages will drop to equilibrium level.

Economists tend to cite four possible causes of price stickiness: menu costs, money illusion, imperfect information with regards to price changes, and fairness concerns. Robert Hall cites incentive and cost barriers on the part of firms to help explain stickiness in wages.
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    * 1 Examples of stickiness
    * 2 Modeling sticky prices
    * 3 Impact during deflation
    * 4 References
    * 5 External links

[edit] Examples of stickiness

Many firms, during recessions, lay off workers. Yet many of these same firms are reluctant to begin hiring, even as the economic situation improves. This can result in slow job growth during a recovery. Wages, prices, and employment levels can all be sticky. Normally, a variable oscillates according to changing market conditions, but when stickiness enters the system, oscillations in one direction are favored over the other, and the variable exhibits "creep"-- it gradually moves in one direction or another. This is also called the "ratchet effect". Over time a variable will have ratcheted in one direction.

For example, in the absence of competition, firms rarely lower prices, even when production costs decrease (i.e. supply increases) or demand drops. Instead, when production becomes cheaper, firms take the difference as profit, and when demand decreases they are more likely to hold prices constant, while cutting production, than to lower them. Therefore, prices are sometimes observed to be sticky downward, and the net result is one kind of inflation.

Prices in an oligopoly can often be considered sticky-upward. The kinked demand curve, resulting in elastic price elasticity of demand above the current market clearing price, and inelasticity below it, requires firms to match price reductions by their competitors to maintain market share.

Note: For the general discussion of asymmetric upward- and downward-stickiness with respect to upstream prices see an article on asymmetric price transmission.
[edit] Modeling sticky prices

Economists have tried to model sticky prices in a number of ways. These models can be classified as either time-dependent, where firms change prices with the passage of time and decide to change prices independently of the economic environment, or state-dependent, where firms decide to change prices in response to changes in the economic environment. The differences can be thought of as differences in a two-stage process: In time-dependent models, firms decide to change prices and then evaluate market conditions; In state-dependent models, firms evaluate market conditions and then decide how to respond.

In time-dependent models price changes are staggered exogenously, so a fixed percentage of firms change prices at a given time. There is no selection as to which firms change prices. Two commonly used time-dependent models based on papers by John B. Taylor[1] and Guillermo Calvo[2]. In Taylor (1980), firms change prices every nth period. In Calvo (1983), firms change prices at random. In both models the choice of changing prices is independent of the inflation rate.

In state-dependent models the decision to change prices is based on changes in the market and are not related to the passage of time. Most models relate the decision to change prices changes to menu costs. Firms change prices when the benefit of changing a price becomes larger than the menu cost of changing a price. Price changes may be bunched or staggered over time. Prices change faster and monetary shocks are over faster under state dependent than time.[3] Examples of state-dependent models include the one proposed by Golosov and Lucas and one suggested by Dotsey, King and Wolman.
[edit] Impact during deflation

During an economy wide monetary deflation the downward stickiness of nominal prices such as wages and office leases can cause the destruction of business viability. In extreme cases the only way for businesses to escape contractual commitments (office leases and employment contracts) in such a situation is to declare bankruptcy. An increase in bankruptcies is sometimes cited as indicative of deflationary forces at work in the economy. It is only after such bankruptcies have transpired that consumer prices can move downward to align with the changed value of cash.
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    * NBER (2006) "Why Are Prices Sticky? The Dynamics of Wholesale Gasoline Prices."

   1. ^ Taylor, John B. (1980), “Aggregate Dynamics and Staggered Contracts,” Journal of Political Economy. 88(1), 1-23.
   2. ^ Calvo, Guillermo A. (1983), “Staggered Prices in a Utility-Maximizing Framework,” Journal of Monetary Economics. 12(3), 383-398.
   3. ^ Oleksiy Kryvtsov and Peter J. Klenow. "State-Dependent or Time-Dependent Pricing: Does It Matter For Recent U.S. Inflation?" The Quarterly Journal of Economics, MIT Press, vol. 123(3), pages 863-904, August. [1]

[edit] External links

    * Economics A-Z: Sticky Prices



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« Reply #308 on: May 29, 2010, 08:37:53 AM »

You do know that Wikipedia isn't always the best source for accurate information, don't you?  Also, if the words aren't your own, you should clearly state such.  Can you tell us how what you copied and pasted relates to the article that I posted above?
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« Reply #309 on: May 29, 2010, 08:55:46 AM »

A little testy with opposing views?  ;)
Just refuting some of this :
"What do economic textbooks tell us happens when business costs drop? The answer depends on the degree of competition in a particular market. When customers have many choices, any business that passes its tax savings on to its own prices will steal customers from its competitors. If other competitors try to keep prices high, they face the loss of customers and profit.

In this way, profit-loving companies are forced through competitive pressures to pass on the savings. Businesses do not pass savings through to be nice. They do it because they want to maintain their market share and hold tight to their profits. Of course, if a market is dominated by a single business, the absence of alternatives for consumers means that the competitive pressure to reduce prices is absent. How much pass-through we can expect depends on the competitiveness of markets and how price-conscious B.C. consumers will be."
Here's a few more sources:

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=off&q=sticky+prices+definition&revid=973674845&sa=X&ei=TDgBTKHxEqOeM_CcgDw&ved=0CEsQ1QIoAA&fp=8e118841f4aed0c3
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« Reply #310 on: May 29, 2010, 10:05:47 AM »

Testy over opposing views?  That's funny (and not a little ironic). 
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« Reply #311 on: May 29, 2010, 11:31:29 AM »

Soooo- Did you go and read the link? ::) ;D
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« Reply #312 on: May 29, 2010, 01:04:21 PM »

Its interesting how the radicals (Socialist and NDP) always make out that PROFIT is a dirty word and that any business making a profit is somehow evil.
But its those same business that feed families , Tax them to death and the business closes and people are out of work, lower taxes more people are hired.
I am in favor of anything that lowers the cost of business.

The three provinces that have implemented the HST all seemed to have benefited from it. With tax benefits passed through and more jobs created.

So I for one still favor the HST, as it will allow me to hire one extra hand and possibly take a vacation for the first time in 6 years.

Its about time hard work is rewarded and not penalized.
As the way the current system works the harder you work, the more money you earn, the more you are taxed to pay for the lazy and freeloaders.
After all Profit is a nasty word!!!
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« Reply #313 on: May 30, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »

I own and run a small business and if I ran it without the ability to turn a profit, then I'm either really stupid or I just shouldn't be in business..... Why should Joe and Mary Sixpack pay more taxes so I can make more? Is it simple greed? Why should the money I give government be wasted the way the present idiots waste tax money? Why should banks be operating in a tax free environment and my enterprise be taxed? We've already eliminated the Corporate Capital Tax (Carole Taylor) eliminating 100,000,000 in revenue. How much has Campbell lowered business taxes already? How much has Campbell lowered income tax to the top 10% wage earners in the province?
How many fees have been introduced to make up shortfalls? MSP premiums? Go for a walk in a provincial park, pay for it. How many "boreds of directors" with lard a$$ed do nothings milking the system for hundreds of thousands for a few days here and there? How about the huge raises given to bureaucrats to retain the "best and brightest'? (if they were so "bright" why are the finances in such a mess?) Gordo gets a 64% raise, but paramedics get nothing? Call Campbell the next time your hurt or sick. How much additional  bureaucracy was added to the medical system with all the fat from "Regional Boards'? How much was wasted on the Site C announcement flying everyone up north for a big splashy? Why should we be subsidizing BC Ferries and paying David Hahn a $1,000,000 salary when a similar job elsewhere in North America pays about a quarter of that? Why do we pay tax money for the Public Affairs Bureau, 27 million a year for government propaganda? How much do we subsidize the oil and gas industry? Why? And how about the movie industry? Do you feel good about shoveling money and specific tax breaks to them? These business's  seem to turn plenty of profits, why am I subsidizing?
I'll stop now because the waste is astronomical.
 
Profit yes- GREED no. Campbell has already gifted enough to business. The business community makes it's profits, so they should make more off the backs of the average working stiff, not "the lazy and freeloaders"  ::)? If a business owner lacks the intelligence and ability to earn enough through the present system, then there is no hope for them period. The last time I looked, there was no shortage of business operating that do have enough smarts to make it.

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #314 on: May 30, 2010, 09:21:34 AM »

I own and run a small business and if I ran it without the ability to turn a profit, then I'm either really stupid or I just shouldn't be in business..... Why should Joe and Mary Sixpack pay more taxes so I can make more? Is it simple greed? Why should the money I give government be wasted the way the present idiots waste tax money? Why should banks be operating in a tax free environment and my enterprise be taxed? We've already eliminated the Corporate Capital Tax (Carole Taylor) eliminating 100,000,000 in revenue. How much has Campbell lowered business taxes already? How much has Campbell lowered income tax to the top 10% wage earners in the province?
How many fees have been introduced to make up shortfalls? MSP premiums? Go for a walk in a provincial park, pay for it. How many "boreds of directors" with lard a$$ed do nothings milking the system for hundreds of thousands for a few days here and there? How about the huge raises given to bureaucrats to retain the "best and brightest'? (if they were so "bright" why are the finances in such a mess?) Gordo gets a 64% raise, but paramedics get nothing? Call Campbell the next time your hurt or sick. How much additional  bureaucracy was added to the medical system with all the fat from "Regional Boards'? How much was wasted on the Site C announcement flying everyone up north for a big splashy? Why should we be subsidizing BC Ferries and paying David Hahn a $1,000,000 salary when a similar job elsewhere in North America pays about a quarter of that? Why do we pay tax money for the Public Affairs Bureau, 27 million a year for government propaganda? How much do we subsidize the oil and gas industry? Why? And how about the movie industry? Do you feel good about shoveling money and specific tax breaks to them? These business's  seem to turn plenty of profits, why am I subsidizing?
I'll stop now because the waste is astronomical.
 
Profit yes- GREED no. Campbell has already gifted enough to business. The business community makes it's profits, so they should make more off the backs of the average working stiff, not "the lazy and freeloaders"  ::)? If a business owner lacks the intelligence and ability to earn enough through the present system, then there is no hope for them period. The last time I looked, there was no shortage of business operating that do have enough smarts to make it.



It's hard to believe how much smoke you blew with that argument, Novabonker. Perhaps some day when your business provides some form of meaningful employment(income) for more than a handful of employees in British Columbia will your arguments perhaps hold some weight.

Businesses that make a profit have the ability to invest in more equipment, larger manufacturing facilities and as a result hire more people. The prospect of making a profit attracts additional businesses to BC. Without those businesses there would be fewer people to be able to buy the services you provide in your "business".

In other words you are benefiting from the fact that businesses are profitable. But reading your argument suggests you are the only business person in BC with the " intelligence and ability to earn enough through the present system".  ???

May I suggest that you stick to cutting and pasting Bill's rhetoric?

At least that provides some entertainment.   :D
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