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Easywater

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #345 on: June 08, 2010, 11:33:40 AM »

I think the main point of the anti-HST rallies was to set up the structure for the recall process.

The BC government has to agree to drop the HST or hold a referendum now that the 10% signatures level has been reached.
It now appears that only the Federal government has the control as to whether the HST comes into effect or not.

As has been discussed before, most people are not as upset with the HST itself as they are with the way that the provincial Liberals brought it in.

It should be very easy to target certain MLAs come November now that it has been proven that the signature levels can be reached.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #346 on: June 08, 2010, 12:30:15 PM »

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #347 on: June 08, 2010, 12:34:33 PM »


 Almost comical, watching Libs try to turn tide
 Gov't could fall if it lost seven seats to recall
 By Michael Smyth, The Province June 8, 2010 9:17 AM Comments (31)
  •Columbia is witnessing a display of people power like nothing before — and it has the government thoroughly baffled, befuddled and bamboozled.

With Bill Vander Zalm's anti-HST petition soaring over the legal signature threshold (with a month still to go in the sign-up period), it's almost comical watching the Liberals try to turn back the tide of public anger.

Plan A was to simply ignore Vander Zalm. The government didn't even bother registering with Elections B.C. as an official opponent of his citizen-initiative petition, legally handcuffing themselves and severely restricting their ability to fight back.

Plan B was to accuse Vander Zalm of spreading misinformation about the harmonized sales tax — pretty rich for a government that refused for 10 months even to release a list of goods and services that will rise in price (before finally posting a woefully incomplete list late last month).

Last week, the Liberal chair of the legislature's citizen-initiative committee threatened to declare the petition "invalid" on constitutional grounds.

Just one little problem there: that would be illegal. I'm not sure you can dignify that smooth move by calling it a "plan," but let's go ahead and call it Plan C. For Cockamamie.

And now comes Plan D. For Duh. Geoff Plant, the former Liberal attorney-general, has gone public with his opinion that a provincial petition can't overturn a federally administered tax, so the 620,000 signatures (and counting) should be turned over to the courts to deal with.

Never mind that the HST was B.C.'s idea, brought in at the request of the Gordon Campbell government and with its full legal backing and co-operation.

But for Plant to argue now that Vander Zalm's petition is "illegal" totally misses the point.

The grassroots fight against the HST is not a legal battle, it's a political one. It's not whether Campbell is going to follow the letter of the law, but whether he's going to follow the will of the people, and what will happen to him and his government if he doesn't.

Let's talk a little political reality for a minute. Can you imagine if Campbell was to ask Prime Minister Stephen Harper to cancel the HST, and Harper went ahead with it anyway? Unlike the provincial Liberals, I don't think Harper's Conservatives are all that anxious to slice their own throats, especially when a federal election could be triggered at any time.

Few people are going to buy the Campbell government's argument that the HST can't be undone by B.C. And to declare the petition illegal, or to challenge it in court, or to pull some other technical stunt, might make people even angrier.

Don't forget Vander Zalm's 6,000-strong army of canvassers could start circulating new petitions in November: recall petitions. Don't forget that, if the Liberals lost seven seats in resulting byelections, the entire government could fall.

So perhaps the government will use its other legal option in the face of a successful petition: Agree to a non-binding referendum on the HST in September 2011, and pray that the anger — and the threat of recall — wanes in the meantime.

To the delight of their enemies, the Liberals seem uninterested in Plan E: Extinguish the HST.


Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/opinion/Almost+comical+watching+Libs+turn+tide/3125317/story.html#ixzz0qI9kukov

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #348 on: June 08, 2010, 10:50:08 PM »

As a result of the HST, we will no longer need to pay sales tax on any personal goods purchased in Washington State.

 British Columbia, Ontario Residents to Become Eligible for Non-resident Sales Tax Exemption

OLYMPIA – June 8, 2010 – Beginning July 1, residents of British Columbia and Ontario become eligible for a non-resident sales tax exemption on purchases of goods in Washington for use outside the state.

State law allows a sales tax exemption to residents of jurisdictions that impose a sales tax of three percent or less. Washington sellers are not required to make tax-exempt sales to qualifying nonresidents, but most do.  The exemption applies only to tangible personal property and does not apply to lodging, meals, or other retail services that are provided in the state.

In order to receive the exemption, qualifying residents must show proof of residency, such as a driver’s license, to the Washington seller. The seller must retain the information to support the exemption in the event of a tax audit.
Residents of British Columbia and Ontario previously did not qualify for the exemption but both provinces are adopting a harmonized sales tax (HST) in tandem with the Canadian federal government beginning July 1. The HST technically is a value-added tax (VAT) and not a sales tax.

Residents of other Canadian provinces that impose the harmonized VAT have been eligible for the exemption for years.

Six states, including Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Montana, Delaware and New Hampshire, eight Canadian provinces, and four U.S. possessions already qualify for this exemption.

The exemption statute, RCW 82.08.0273, was enacted in 1965.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #349 on: June 09, 2010, 06:39:45 AM »

Gordo's economic action plan for Washington state. He has the same plan for Alberta border towns....
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« Reply #350 on: June 09, 2010, 07:22:01 AM »

Gordo's economic action plan for Washington state. He has the same plan for Alberta border towns....

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #351 on: June 09, 2010, 07:40:39 AM »

As a result of the HST, we will no longer need to pay sales tax on any personal goods purchased in Washington State.

 British Columbia, Ontario Residents to Become Eligible for Non-resident Sales Tax Exemption


--Great plus for HST lets all shop in USA it will really help BC recover and oh yah now that this is a VAT  won't we also have to pay HST on mail order bought in Ontario or other provinces that have HST.. another reason to not shop Canadian..Just what we need. There is nothing stopping these guys from ...dare I say it Lowering the HST... to make it more revenue neutral..they would still have the savings from the simple single tax collection system.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #352 on: June 09, 2010, 07:49:59 AM »

???

Where will the masses flock to? They sure as shootin' won't be spending the money with BC business if they can save 12% in Washington or 7% in Alberta. You're getting rusty AF.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #353 on: June 09, 2010, 09:16:55 AM »


I don't have any problem with the consumer getting a good deal!

Novabonker, you confuse me.....    One day you're down on greedy, profitable BC business and the next day you are concerned about BC business being able to survive  ???  ???

And don't tell me the present regime hasn't put business ahead of the citizens many times in it's rule.Look at how they've slashed business taxes.......... if you read the business section, this week especially, they're turning monster profits- untaxed. I'm not understanding why the citizens should pay more taxes to subsidize business. Again - if you don't have the smarts to make your business run, than you aren't smart enough to run a business.   Profit yes- GREED no. Campbell has already gifted enough to business. The business community makes it's profits, so they should make more off the backs of the average working stiff, not "the lazy and freeloaders"   :o    If a business owner lacks the intelligence and ability to earn enough through the present system, then there is no hope for them period. The last time I looked, there was no shortage of business operating that do have enough smarts to make it.

Since 1965 Washington State has recognized that in order for it's businesses to compete with low tax or no tax jurisdictions that it needed to eliminate the sales tax from it's products.
They realized that someone in Oregon would not go across the border into Washington when they could buy the same product in Oregon, tax free! However because of Washington's law,  since 1965 anyone in Oregon can buy Washington products tax free.

It's taken 45 years......  however with the new HST (because PST is no longer added to the cost of their products) businesses in BC will finally be able to compete with businesses in low tax or no tax jurisdictions!
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #354 on: June 09, 2010, 12:45:33 PM »

Merely pointing out some of the effects the HST will have ON business. I'm not anti profit. I work to make one my self.  ;D But I am against shifting tax from business on to the back of the citizens. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #355 on: June 10, 2010, 07:28:05 AM »

AF- Here's what I'm talking about , since you seem to not understand .

http://www.theprovince.com/news/could+sending+shoppers+south/3134654/story.html
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #356 on: June 10, 2010, 07:55:02 AM »

 As usual looks like only half the story is getting out. 
Its nice to see the tax exemption for washington state, but before everyone jumps on the bandwagon complaining remember there is this line called the border and as all those shoppers cross the border back into Canada, they have to pay HST on the goods purchased unless they stay down for more than 24 hours or longer.Cross border shopping has been going on for decades long before the HST ever was thought of.

One other point that has been missed what about the $1.6 billion bonus form the Federal government for implementing the HST, if HST gets cancelled this will have to be repaid back.

Nice to see the certain people have all the time in the world to post dozens of comments on a fishing web site.!!!

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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #357 on: June 10, 2010, 03:57:27 PM »

Bad news for the Liberals - The latest Angus Reid research puts the Liberals at 26 per cent support in B.C. - that's down 20 points since May's election. The NDP sits at 46 per cent.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/64882--poll-liberals-popularity-sinking

The poll also found more than 60 per cent of British Columbians living in Liberal-held ridings would be willing to sign a petition to unseat their MLA.
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Re: Fight The HST!
« Reply #358 on: June 10, 2010, 05:11:47 PM »

The drive has gone so well Bill says tonight the petitions are going to be delivered a week earlier than planned to Election BC.

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