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Do you have confidence in the Campbell government?

Yes
- 7 (11.7%)
No
- 53 (88.3%)

Total Members Voted: 58

Voting closed: May 17, 2010, 04:09:36 PM


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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2010, 11:22:09 PM »

Isn't it also full of Vander Zalm type former Unity/Reform holymen who want to institute prayer into schools, ban homosexuality, abortion, sex till 200 and the whole lot?
Could you name a few names ? ... or are you just making stuff up as you go ?
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2010, 11:50:00 PM »

this thread should be polled as who do you have the least confidence in? lieberals or NDP...with a 3rd option for i have zero confidence in both parties
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2010, 12:16:31 AM »

agree kingpin....holmes*
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2010, 04:10:51 AM »

Could you name a few names ? ... or are you just making stuff up as you go ?

It is formed of a merger with the former Unity Party, which consisted of social conservative bible thumping crackpots, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Unity_Party

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The British Columbia Unity Party was a political party in British Columbia, Canada. The party was founded as an attempted union of five conservative parties: the Reform Party of British Columbia, the British Columbia Social Credit Party, the British Columbia Conservative Party, the British Columbia Party, and the Family Coalition Party of British Columbia. Members from the first four parties joined with the Family Coalition Party to refound the Family Coalition Party as the BC Unity Party on January 10, 2001. The party was formed to present a united conservative option to voters in opposition to the BC Liberals and the New Democratic Party (NDP).

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On January 26, 2008 the BC Unity Party Board decided to poll the membership regarding the merger of the Party with the BC Conservatives or its de-registration. A General Meeting was called for Saturday March 29, 2008 in Surrey. The poll returns indicated 4:1 ratio in favour of a merger with the BC Conservative Party, and the General Meeting confirmed this motion. The BC Conservative Party accepted the former BC Unity Party memberships at their April 19, 2008 executive meeting in Abbotsford. The BC Unity Party de-registered five registered constituency associations, and planned to complete the merger and de-registration process before the BC Conservative Party AGM in Kamloops on Saturday June 7, 2008.
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2010, 06:28:48 AM »

Truthfully speaking....


# Gordon Campbell lied about bringing in the HST, in fact he promised not to bring in the HST

Nuff said

# Gordon Campbell lied pre-election about our BC deficit, Colin Hansen Lied about the deficit, both of those liars claimed the deficit would be $495 million dollars maximum, 2 weeks after the election the deficit turned into $3 billion dollars.

How about that balanced budget law? Oh yeah- tossed to the curb.

# Colin Hansen lied about the Olympic security costs, Hansen used the figure $175 million which turned into $1 billion dollars in the lead up to the games.

The only time Hansen lies is when he communicates.

# Kevin Falcon lied on cknw when he stated the evergreen line construction would begin in 2009.

Oh look - He got his pal, Kip Woodward  to head up a health care system. Only one small problem - the Kipper has financial interests in private for pay public clinics.

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said he wouldn`t sell BC Rail.

The Basi - Virk trial is supposed to start soon. This should be fun.

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said he would honour the HEU signed negotiated contract.

To which he promptly tore up and cost the province many millions in a court case that said he was wrong.

# George Abbott lied when he said the BC Liberals have built 5000 new long term acute care beds.

If I put 5000 in the bank I can't withdraw 8000.

# Blair Leckstrom lied when he said BC is a net importer of electricity.

That whopper has been exposed for quite a while.

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no cuts to the education budget.

Anyone smell pants burning?

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said the Canada line was on budget.

Just a little over....

# Kevin Falcon lied when he said the Golden Ears bridge was on budget.

That one too!

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said there would be no expansion in gambling in BC.

No really! That new casino (given to a Liberal hack) will be tiny!

# Gordon Campbell lied when he said that implementing the Carbon tax was the equivalent of taking 400,000 cars off the road each year.

Yup - another one in the nads for the working stiff.

# Christy Clark lied when she said under David Hahn BC Ferries was returning $500 million dollars profit to the Province.


Is that coming out of his million plus salary?
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2010, 08:16:54 AM »

Truthfully speaking....

Blah, Blah, Blah.......


I see you copied and pasted that from the Fight HST thread......

In the interests of saving server space maybe you can just post the link next time......    ;D  ;D
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2010, 08:22:59 AM »

It is formed of a merger with the former Unity Party, which consisted of social conservative bible thumping crackpots, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Unity_Party

Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person ,  but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?   
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2010, 08:29:02 AM »

And here I thought Sarah Palin had the market cornered on populist rhetoric. ::)
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2010, 08:44:13 AM »

Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person ,  but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?   

I agree with you. I think he makes things up as he goes along and only sees what he wants to see.

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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2010, 09:22:56 AM »

I see you copied and pasted that from the Fight HST thread......

In the interests of saving server space maybe you can just post the link next time......    ;D  ;D

That sure means a lot from the King of cut and paste ::) (see HST thread for your pile of c&p)  :o :o :o
Condescending remarks don't change facts. Look through the list and show me one that isn't a fact about Liberal lies. It's a shame that the citizens were manipulated and apathy allowed them to get back in. I'm not the least bit sorry for illuminating the way Campbell and crew have lied to gain power,given special considerations to their party donors and feathered their own nests after soiling ours -  now present your arguments about how the above examples were truthful and straightforward with the public. Otherwise your blowing smoke.
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2010, 09:38:15 AM »

That sure means a lot from the King of cut and paste ::) (see HST thread for your pile of c&p)  :o :o :o
Condescending remarks don't change facts. Look through the list and show me one that isn't a fact about Liberal lies. It's a shame that the citizens were manipulated and apathy allowed them to get back in. I'm not the least bit sorry for illuminating the way Campbell and crew have lied to gain power,given special considerations to their party donors and feathered their own nests after soiling ours -  now present your arguments about how the above examples were truthful and straightforward with the public. Otherwise your blowing smoke.

It's your definition of lying that I have a problem with!

For example; I decide to go into Vancouver and I tell my wife I'm going to take Highway #1. I'm driving along and I hear there is a huge accident and the highway is blocked so instead I take the Mission bridge and drive in on Highway #7.

Did I lie to my wife??   

You are confusing lying with the need to change a decision because it made more sense, given the new circumstances.....   ::)   But don't worry about that, as I said you are entertaining... ;D
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2010, 10:38:12 AM »

The definition

1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.an inaccurate or false statement.
4.the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.


Twisting words to suit yourself doesn't make a lie any less of a lie.

Here's a former Liberal openly admitting to a Campbell lie that's in front of the courts.But I know it's not enough for you.

I was asked to meet with Gordon Campbell within months of my election to the Legislature in 1996. I was led into the meeting with Campbell within the Wall's car dealership in Prince George by Doug Walls a relative, friend and confidante of Gordon Campbell (and mentor of Shirley Bond).

It was at this meeting that I was asked to assume the role of Critic for BCR and lead the discussion on its future for the BC Liberal Party. I accepted this responsiblity and committed to work towards an informed presentation to the caucus on the future of BCR. I was relatively young, idealistic, politically naive and believed strongly that I was embarking on an endeavour that would promote and protect the interests of my constituents who had so recently placed me in this position of what I viewed as a sacred trust.


It was some years later in the Vancouver office of the premier within months of the election of 2001 that I was informed by Mr Campbell and Martyn Brown (Shirley Bond and Pat Bell were also present) that the pre election promise to maintain BCR as a Crown Corporation was about to be broken.

I walked out of that meeting with those present, up the street to a previously scheduled Congress at the Wosk Centre for Dialogue in the early morning hours on a lonely, distant Vancouver street. My trust and confidence like those I represented had been shattered! (It would be only a few months until I released a "letter to the BCL Caucus on Hydro" that would lead to my departure from the Campbell Liberals)

Today we are about to see the writ dropped as we prepare for a provincial election in British Columbia. Many of the Campbell loyalists remain and are preparing to run within their respective constituencies again. They have chosen to ignore their individual and collective responsiblities in and around the sale of BC Rail. They have opted not to deal with allegations of scandal and corruption nor to respond to the sense of loss and betrayal felt by many thousands of their constituents.

I am thankful for Mary (BCR Blog) and others like her who continue to fight for honesty, openess, transparency and accountability. It seems like yesterday, before the broken promises and scandal, that I and my fellow BC Liberal candidates campaigned (1996, 2001) on the promise to form government based on these commonly shared values and principles.

Paul Nettleton
April 14, 2009

Does that meet your expectations for "lie"? How many more do you want?




On Friday , I found out that the government has cut a series of group homes that I do outside  contracting for had the grant - that provided care for 41 adults with moderate to severe handicaps- has been cut. Not a small take one for the team cut, but over 40% of the operating budget. They've refused to even try to operate because it just can't be done. What happens to the people that have called these places homes for 6 years?
Oh-BTW- they were verbally assured that they would continue to receive the same grant for another 3 year contract.

Here's an idea - Why don't you come with me one day so I can personally show you some of the carnage the Liberals inflicted on seniors. Or the handicapped. Better yet, I'll show you to a detox - safe house that works to get youth off the street and back into society. Shutting down, at first they were expected to double the case load at the same money ( employees made between 9 to a max of 15 an hour for the admin) , then the operating funding was cut 25%. Closing in June, kids back out on the street. But we have money to pay for David Foster to go to the gold medal hockey game.


I'll even buy you a nice lunch! Can you get the time off from the PAB?
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Re: The Campbell Government
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2010, 10:51:25 AM »

Going by your post here should you be viewed as an extreme bigot ? I mean I don't know you at all and you may actually be a decent person ,  but your statement above sounds very bad , that is it makes YOU look very bad .
If your statement actually reflects your views , and you were running for office it would be some one like you I would be worried about getting elected .
Now could you state what some actual candidate from the Conservative party has actually done that would would prove your accusations ? Like maybe a link to a news story ?? Or could you name a candidate and say what that candidate has done wrong? Broad brush generalizations based on your own very biased views really are very useless . Have you considered not every one shares your biases ?  

Okay, I admit the Conservative Party and its candidates have been getting almost zero media coverage and I haven't been keeping track of its candidates and all, and I've even just browsed through their web page and find no mention of the ideology that I alluded to in their policies page.  But joining forces with the Unity pack does not exactly make them look good and leaves cause for suspicion.

As for not sharing my "biases", don't you think governments should be totally secular, and religion should have no influence in it whatsoever in the 21st century?
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2010, 10:55:49 AM »

Okay, I admit the Conservative Party and its candidates have been getting almost zero media coverage and I haven't been keeping track of its candidates and all, and I've even just browsed through their web page and find no mention of the ideology that I alluded to in their policies page.  But joining forces with the Unity pack does not exactly make them look good and leaves cause for suspicion.

As for not sharing my "biases", don't you think governments should be totally secular, and religion should have no influence in it whatsoever in the 21st century?

I totally agree with this statement. Religion should have absolutely nothing to do with politics in this day and age. Thats my biggest beef with Reformers and some Conservatives.
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2010, 12:00:02 PM »

It was at this meeting that I was asked to assume the role of Critic for BCR and lead the discussion on its future for the BC Liberal Party. I accepted this responsiblity and committed to work towards an informed presentation to the caucus on the future of BCR. I was relatively young, idealistic, politically naive and believed strongly that I was embarking on an endeavour that would promote and protect the interests of my constituents who had so recently placed me in this position of what I viewed as a sacred trust.


It was some years later in the Vancouver office of the premier within months of the election of 2001 that I was informed by Mr Campbell and Martyn Brown (Shirley Bond and Pat Bell were also present) that the pre election promise to maintain BCR as a Crown Corporation was about to be broken.

On a fishing related note, how would the state of the fisheries in the Cheakamus and Squamish Rivers be today had BCR not been sold to CN?
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