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[chris gadsden]

Went out and checked some different areas yesterday, terrible. Pictures going to Rod.

[Rodney]

More photos by Chris. These are from Foley lake, Bench Road, Ranger Run, Edwards Road.

[CDone]

Why don't they just shut it all down? Throw a gate house at the crossing and monitor everyone going in and coming out, thats absolutely ridiculous. No respect for anything. its just gotten progressively worse over the years. 

Colin

[maverick]

Are those first pictures at the Ceadr run? That used to be a great spot to throw a spinner for steelhead in the spring but the last couple of years I have been out it looks like people live there with all of the garbage.

[fishgutz63]

shut her down put gates up and start charging a user fee thats whats going to eventually happen eh'

[FraserFishing]

Such a nice place... used as a Garbage Dump

[Navy Seal Fisherman]

The solution is quite simple, but requires the political and legal fortitude to enforce it. Cost is NOT the issue. Create a group of environment officers (or what ever else you wish to call them) and steep fines. Now, these officers salary/compensation comes directly from the fines collected, not from the public coffers. The harder they enforce, the bigger the pay check.

Imagine is you will, RCMP paychecks being solely funded by the speeding tickets they issued. How many speeders do you think there would be??? and how often would you see a cop on the road ;]

It's sad to say that more and more people just don't give a cupcakes and the majority of the blame falls on the parents that never raised them properly.

[StillAqua]

The solution is quite simple, but requires the political and legal fortitude to enforce it. Cost is NOT the issue. Create a group of environment officers (or what ever else you wish to call them) and steep fines. Now, these officers salary/compensation comes directly from the fines collected, not from the public coffers. The harder they enforce, the bigger the pay check.

Problem is that if this new force of officers was actually successful at eliminating the illegal stuff, there wouldn't be any more fines to pay their salaries so you'd have to lay them all off, then there'd be no officers to enforce so the miscreants would come back and you'd have to hire a new batch of officers.......... kinda of a lynx and hare scenario. Plus the courts kind of frown on the conflict of interest created by "revenue-based enforcement".

[Navy Seal Fisherman]

Re: courts kind of frown on the conflict of interest created by "revenue-based enforcement". Who do you think pays the police's overtime with regards to road side checks for drinking and driving? That's funded by ICBC. The more ICBC pays out to the police the less they pay out insurance claims, less claims and the execs get bigger bonuses. Talk about conflict of interest.  But point taken. We can massage that idea though. Hire more DFO whose payment is subsidized from fines. These officers could do allot more then just beach patrol for garbage. I don't think their work would dry up as you say. With all the police around we still have the crime out there.

You can't hope that people will just turn around and start respecting their environment. There needs to be a catalyst that will force that change.

[burnaby]

Navy Seal Fisherman > Major diff is ICBC funds safety projects to reduce fatality, not to save the mighty buck which is the intent. Red light cameras to reduce accidents/injuries are tolerated but not as a speed trap.

COs funded by issuing tickets won't fly in Canada. Great idea, just need other excuses like protecting the environment, something that makes you feel all warm inside and not just another cash grab. 

[andychan]

it's the Police's job. If the RCMP were not so busy handing out cash grab tickets along the #1 Hwy there would be more of them to prevent this garbage and oh..I don't know...slow down the number of car break ins during fishing season. But hey, that would require some actual work by the cops so I won't hold my breath.

[skaha]

--treasury board knows where the money that goes into general revenue comes from
--it is a simple corelation that those who are in charge of Co's and Forest officers can make when asking for money.
--preventing one forest fire due to more hrs in the bush... (which is similar to the ICBC justification for traffic enforcement)... saves a bundle. 

--especially during the summer when most likely to have camping parties the forest service makes hundreds of flights, air patrols and helicopter time. With GPS position and camera not difficult to relay information to Forest officer or Co on the ground as to something going on.  A big deterrant  would be increased fines and maybe restricting of access etc. for repeat offenders..

[VAGAbond]

Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals.    Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.

[chris gadsden]

Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals.    Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.

Never figure this out as it cost more in gas to drive to these spots than landfill charges. Of course they drop theire mess under the cover of darkness when the landfill is closed.

[Dennis.t]

Irresponsible slobs for sure but lets be clear that not all of that trash is from campers, fishers etc, some is clearly garbage dumped, probably by locals.    Make the local disposal site less costly or more accessible and some of the problem will go away.

I think the landfill charges are very reasonable at both places and in close proximty to the town of Chilliwack.Like Chris says its a further drive to go up the valley to dump garbage and probally cost more in fuel then it would be to dispose of the trash properly.