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jimmywits

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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2010, 10:02:13 AM »

You really should read the article.....    ::)

If you read it you'll see that it didn't evaluate Clarke. It compared Campbell to the other 9 provincial premiers.....
I never said the article did evaluate Clarke.
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #76 on: December 01, 2010, 07:50:13 PM »

muslim style fraser institute sampler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-cY-g1PA8
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #77 on: December 01, 2010, 08:58:46 PM »

muslim style fraser institute sampler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-cY-g1PA8

wow   ??? are you serious??  :o  ::) You can't possibly believe that the Fraser Institute is remotely similar to the radical Muslims....

I'm also guessing you've probably never read any of their research papers!
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2010, 09:29:45 PM »

smells the same to me. :-*
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #79 on: December 02, 2010, 07:51:17 AM »

--where's the Re: Is Carole James on The Way Out thread?
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2010, 12:29:38 PM »

--where's the Re: Is Carole James on The Way Out thread?

Too many people are in denial to post anything like that!
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #82 on: December 06, 2010, 10:24:38 AM »

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2010/12/06/OttawaTransfers/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=061210

It's funny how the left wing press can turn a positive to a negative!

The fact is the reason BC has paid so much to the Feds in the last 10 years is that the current government took an NDP run have-not province and turned it into a have province. Under the terms of the provincial/federal rules (equalization payments) provinces that are doing well pay the Feds more than provinces that are not doing well....   You should see what Alberta pays the Feds each year!

Perhaps we should put a government in place like Quebec has.  ??? There's a have-not province who has never contributed to Canada and has continually taken!
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #83 on: December 08, 2010, 07:04:59 AM »

It's funny how the left wing press can turn a positive to a negative!

The fact is the reason BC has paid so much to the Feds in the last 10 years is that the current government took an NDP run have-not province and turned it into a have province. Under the terms of the provincial/federal rules (equalization payments) provinces that are doing well pay the Feds more than provinces that are not doing well....   You should see what Alberta pays the Feds each year!

Perhaps we should put a government in place like Quebec has.  ??? There's a have-not province who has never contributed to Canada and has continually taken!

Horse biscuits AF- Again, do your research- ONE year under the NDP there was a payment and the Libs had how many?4?5?6? Man, you post a lot of stuff that the FACTS don't back up. It's almost hilarious and speaks volumes about not backing up what you posted, but it's really sad when you post outright, well, bologna and tell everyone it's tenderloin. Don't let the truth get in the way......
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »

2010 Games put over $2-billion in B.C. coffers: report http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/2010-games-put-over-2-billion-in-bc-coffers-report/article1842581/

.....  and the Olympics came in on budget. It's a shame that Campbell isn't getting a little credit for that....
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #85 on: December 18, 2010, 12:13:51 PM »

2010 Games put over $2-billion in B.C. coffers: report http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/2010-games-put-over-2-billion-in-bc-coffers-report/article1842581/

.....  and the Olympics came in on budget. It's a shame that Campbell isn't getting a little credit for that....

But Colin Hansen clearly stated in Feb 09 it would be 10.7 billion..

Also things like road upgrade with no tolls for the rich, convention centre, Canada line (which was scaled back due to lack of money and will cost billions to expand so the stations can hold more than two car trains) then Olympic village, did not include costs of building new facilities so I call bull..

We will need a non liberal government in office (not necessarily the NDP or another low wage conservative party like we have now) to tell us the truth. I expect horrors from not just the Olympics either..

I would be more inclined to believe this if former Auditor General Shelia Fraser were to review the books and give a report as I do not believe anything these low wage conservatives masquerading as Liberals say...With the BCLiberals/Socreds/Low Wage Conservatives it is like the boy who cried wolf once to often....
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #86 on: December 19, 2010, 06:06:38 AM »

2010 Games put over $2-billion in B.C. coffers: report http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/2010-games-put-over-2-billion-in-bc-coffers-report/article1842581/

.....  and the Olympics came in on budget. It's a shame that Campbell isn't getting a little credit for that....

And I read this in the same article........

$925million plus $1 billion in Security
Plus $3 billion in transportation Sea to Sky plus Transit line
Plus BC Hydro $15 million
ICBC $9 million
BC Loteries $15 million
$30 million BC Place
$300 million Bonus pay for employees contracts
and $36.1-million went to First Nations and municipal governments.
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #87 on: December 19, 2010, 02:36:03 PM »

But Colin Hansen clearly stated in Feb 09 it would be 10.7 billion..

Also things like road upgrade with no tolls for the rich, convention centre, Canada line (which was scaled back due to lack of money and will cost billions to expand so the stations can hold more than two car trains) then Olympic village, did not include costs of building new facilities so I call bull..

We will need a non liberal government in office (not necessarily the NDP or another low wage conservative party like we have now) to tell us the truth. I expect horrors from not just the Olympics either..

I would be more inclined to believe this if former Auditor General Shelia Fraser were to review the books and give a report as I do not believe anything these low wage conservatives masquerading as Liberals say...With the BCLiberals/Socreds/Low Wage Conservatives it is like the boy who cried wolf once to often....

WELL STATED
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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2010, 10:55:25 AM »

RAFE HERE - below is my blog for December 20 on www.thecanadian.org

Alex Tsakumis has uncovered memos from David Basi setting out the shenanigans surrounding the Campbell government's breach of promise and sale of BC Rail. I'm much indepted.

PLEASE LET'S BE OUT OWN MEDIA AND PASS THIS ON!

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Alex Tsakumis is a courageous journalist in the practiced in days of yore, when political reporters were expected to hold the “Establishment’s” and especially government’s feet to the fire. The days when there was incisive reporting with columnists staying with the story until the end are, alas, of a bygone era. Journalists were like pit bulls that you could not easily dislodge from the seat of your pants. Where are the fearless fighters for the truth that seemed to vanish after the NDP were defeated in 2001?
 
Because those days are gone, the Campbell government and others’ fear of exposure of wrongdoing were minimized, if not eliminated - were it not for the Basi-Virk trial. Now it’s gone.
 
Alex has come into possession of four memos-to-file by David Basi which were certified by lawyer George Jones, QC. That doesn’t mean the contents were true, of course, but it does raise serious questions about the role played by a number of people both inside and outside of the BC Cabinet. It has not been denied that Crown Counsel had possession of those documents.
 
I urge everyone to go to Alex’s website and read the memos from David Basi to the file. If they are true, serious misconduct by the government occurred during the sale period.
 
I must say from the outset that I’m not accusing specific people of any wrongdoing. What I am going to do is deal with the settlement of the Basi-Virk case and ask some pointed questions. Absent a court case, it is you, the jury of citizens who must decide.
 
The issues started shortly after the 2001 election in which Premier Campbell pledged he would not privatize BC Rail. With the election behind him, Campbell asked for bidders and three came forward.
 
Let’s try to look at this 7 year case in a nutshell.
 
Nearly a year after police raided the offices of Gary Collins, then Finance Minister, Mr. Basi and Mr. Virk were charged with multiple counts of fraud and breach of trust. The two men were said to have, amongst other things, accepted benefits from one of the bidders for the Roberts Bank spur line in return for handing over confidential documents. The defendants maintained that they had instructions from Cabinet ministers to keep the bidding going because while CN was the favoured bidder and Campbell wanted the bidding to look good because CN was run by one David McLean, long a Liberal bagman and bosom buddy of his. Indeed that’s the essence of Basi’s memos.
 
The list of witnesses in the trial for the Crown included two Cabinet Minsters with several powerful public servants. To add to this murky pond was a $300,000 payment by BC Rail to Liberal eminence grise, Patrick Kinsella, for “consulting fees during the bidding process." Not surprisingly, this prompted the other bidders to holler foul, claiming that the government favoured CN all along and that the others were just window dressing to make the bidding look real and mask the truth that CN had a slam dunk.
 
Let’s look at two things – why Crown Counsel stopped the case just as important witnesses were to be heard, and what the crash of the case meant.
 
The short answer is that the accused men wanted to "cop a plea" and plead guilty to a couple of charges, getting away without going to jail and having their $6 million legal bill paid by the government.
 
This raises, to me at any rate, the obvious question: why did Special Counsel Bill Berardino, QC, accept?
 
Berardino knew he had a strong case, obviously fortified by the fact that defence counsel were admitting, off the record, that their clients were guilty, and the strongest part of his case was yet to come.
 
Asked if there was any government pressure to end the trial, which had so far contained embarrassing allegations for the B.C. Liberal Party, Berardino said: "This is my decision. I made it on my own by myself."
 
I’m sorry, I don’t believe that and subsequent statements bear out my skepticism. When I and others expressed our incredulity at Berardino’s statement, it was then admitted that, of course, the Assistant Deputy Attorney General, knew about it but he was by statute removed from the politics and that we should recognize that “cast in stone” independence the Crown Counsel Act vested in him.
 
It’s impossible for me to accept that the Premier didn’t instruct Crown Counsel to seek terms and, after the terms were given, order their acceptance. I don’t say that Crown Counsel was untruthful, just that I don’t believe his story.
 
I’ve been in government, folks, and I know governments don’t pay out $6 million, plus another $12 million in legal expenses without knowing why.
 
Indeed, a bit of further prodding and the Deputy Attorney-General was admitted to be part of the deal, and shortly after that we learned that the Deputy Minister of Finance was also involved. Now, instead of Crown Counsel being the only one involved, the proposed settlement meant that payment would have to be authorized by Treasury Board, meaning that if Campbell didn’t know all about it before, he sure as hell did now. To me, all suspicions were confirmed - the key point being not what Mr. Berardino said or did, but the irresistible inference that Gordon Campbell and his flunkies not only knew about the deal but gave the instructions to settle.
 
Let’s look at it from another angle – why would Campbell want this trial to end ingloriously when victory was as assured as such can ever be? He knew it would look like hell to the public. Obviously this means he knew it would be even worse if he and others were forced to testify. The only possible reason Campbell could have for stopping this 7 year legal odyssey was to avoid the damage surely to come if he and former Finance Minister Gary Collins had to testify and if Basi and Virk had a chance to give their version of events.

Here’s where Alex Tsakumis' dogged determination to discover the truth comes in. He learned that Dave Basi wrote at least four memos-to-file certified by a prominent lawyer and got possession of them. If you read them - and they are available on Alex’s website - it’s all there. The bribery, the deals, the lies, and the sleaze. Could one not infer from Campbell wanting the case to end that Basi’s memos are truthful? Doesn’t this make it pretty clear that Campbell knew what was in those memos?
 
If that’s the case, Campbell knew that further testimony could place him, former ministers Gary Collins, Judith Read, and even the untouchable Patrick Kinsella in serious legal jeopardy?
 
In the famous words of Emile Zola in the Alfred Dreyfus case, “J’accuse”  the government of BC, and Premier Campbell of perverting the course of justice, then stonewalling an Independent Commission to look into this entire sordid mess. Assuming he and his colleagues' hands are clean, wouldn’t they want to demonstration before an independent commissioner?
 
Surely, if they are innocent they would be begging to have a hearing.
 
But they aren’t. The former deputy premier during the sale of BC Rail, Christy Clark has made it clear she wants no scrutiny into her acts at the time.
 
If the Campbell government does not instruct a Judicial Inquiry, one can only conclude that Basi is telling the truth.
 
That being so, other heads should roll - but of course they won't.


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Re: Is Campbell On The Way Out?
« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2010, 12:09:47 PM »

The thing about Rafe is at least he tries to be honest about his reporting as opposed to the drivel that Bill Tieleman writes in that rag......   ;D

I like this statement right at the beginning of his article......      "Alex has come into possession of four memos-to-file by David Basi which were certified by lawyer George Jones, QC. That doesn’t mean the contents were true, of course.......  "

If the information in the memos is not true why bother writing an article about it?   ???
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