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[Novabonker]

Is this AF? (posted in humour only- no humans were hurt or killed in the making of this post.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCFMDLakxaY

[alwaysfishn]

Is this AF? (posted in humour only- no humans were hurt or killed in the making of this post.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCFMDLakxaY

Welcome to my world...     Now Sandman can get an idea of what things would look like without innovation. 

[Novabonker]

You've done a wonderful job with the grounds and landscaping. Did you get a straight payout or residuals from that commercial?

[Sandman]

As much as I don't appreciate the derogatory suggestion that I sleep under a rock, here's what it would look like if I did.

Under my rock I can see what the world would be like if there wasn't any innovation. Under my rock people focus on how to to make the world better in spite of the negative aspects of innovation. We realize there would be huge poverty and lifespans would be similar to what they were in the early 1900's if innovation wasn't allowed. Under my rock global warming is a natural occurrence and has little to do with innovation.

On the other hand if I saw things from your perspective of a perfect world that lacks the internal combustion engine...  the fishing and hunting would still be phenomenal and the lack of HST apparently would make some people happy...   

I'll stick with my rock though. 

It is not innovation that is problem AF, you missed the point entirely.  It is an innovation that ignores the consequences that is the problem. The oil interests have stifled true innovation to protect their investment by keeping us dependent on fossil fuels instead of cleaner alternatives.  Governments serve the interests of those that fund their campaigns, not the interests of the common man.  Capitalism itself is inefficient, and ultimately unsustainable, but those that profit from it would have you support it to protect the status quo (and their status in it).  The drive for profits and wealth have only served to rape the environment that we depend on for our very lives.  Would you charge ahead, heedless of the consequences and leave your children a world irreparably damaged just so you could be a little more comfortable?  If the anti HST movement had not resisted the government's arrogant abuse of power, then we would not have a 10% HST today, it would still be 12%.  Now all that has ultimately done is reduce the revenue for the government so they will now have to cut services that could have been paid for by these added tax revenues.  Had they been open and honest about what they were doing, they would have had no problem convincing British Columbians of the advantages of shifting the tax burden to the end consumer.

[alwaysfishn]

It is not innovation that is problem AF, you missed the point entirely.  .......

Oh I understand your point....   What your suggesting is the perfect world. That fantasy won't ever become reality. I'd be happy to discuss that in another thread, this thread is about the HST.

If the anti HST movement had not resisted the government's arrogant abuse of power, then we would not have a 10% HST today, it would still be 12%.  Now all that has ultimately done is reduce the revenue for the government so they will now have to cut services that could have been paid for by these added tax revenues.  Had they been open and honest about what they were doing, they would have had no problem convincing British Columbians of the advantages of shifting the tax burden to the end consumer.

The reason the HST is being lowered from 12% to 10% is because at 12% it is generating more revenue than the previous PST/GST. By lowering it to 10% the government is bringing the HST revenue down to what it was before HST was introduced.

I could care less whether the anti-HST group made it happen or not. I also could care less if they want to take the credit for it. I care that the HST is a better tax system than the PST/GST system, even if it was costing me more at 12%.

[Novabonker]

The reason the HST is being lowered from 12% to 10% is because at 12% it is generating more revenue than the previous PST/GST. By lowering it to 10% the government is bringing the HST revenue down to what it was before HST was introduced.

No- it's simply sucking up with pie lie in the sky. Surely to God you're not naive enough to believe that the liberals will actually follow through with this. They have no credibility for a reason- being bald faced liars, over and over again. How much bullspit are you willing to put up with? And everyone will get a pony and all the ice cream they can eat and........ I don't believe people once they lie , like oh, lets say equal finances for both sides - 5 million vs. $250,000.Another lie. "Non partisan ad campaign" - Kevin Falcon admitted publically that was a lie. There's so many lies with Liberal fingerprints and autographs on it regarding this crock of crap, but you find it acceptable Why do you think liars should be rewarded?

[Novabonker]

http://alexgtsakumis.com/2011/06/06/the-clark-governments-gamble-on-the-hst-misleading-the-public-job-one/

There will be a time, soon enough, when a lengthier post on the perils of allowing for the continuance of the HST will become manifestly necessary here, but for now, let me give you some perspective you won’t read anywhere else.

Christy Clark is desperate to go to the polls because if she waits any longer, her numbers will die well below the surprisingly reasonable (thus far) Adrian Dix.

The HST is the test pattern. If she and her government don;t deliver this, she’s in trouble. It’s a huge loss to wear. So, Kevin Falcon’s pals are out in full force–because it’d be a loss he’d wear too.

But lying to the public?

The so-called ‘Stick Men’ ads are the most reprehensible waste of taxpayer dollars that I can ever remember.

The notion that there is a ’10 percent FIX’ (emphasis added) is such complete balderdash, that words cannot describe the skulduggery. The HST doesn’t drop to that until 2013. And that’s IF the government survives and IF they don’t win an election in a squeaker this fall and then take back the promises under the guise of tougher times, pinching pennies for greater services to YOU, etc.

Do you not see that you are being lied to using your own money? But this is the way the Clark government operates.

And when it looks as if they are in the fight of their lives, they commit to a little fancy dancing too.

One of Clark’s most trusted aides, Dimitri Pantazopoulos, who was once the federal Tories pollster, has been trying to get various BC membership lists from his Tory pals in Ottawa for the purpose of getting the word out. As one bluntly put it to me this morning: “He even tried to knock on the door of the PMO…as you’re aware, he’s not going to get a bloody thing from us and she’s not welcome around here.”

Can you believe these clowns? Falcon has turned into a serial prevaricator with respect to this truly punitive tax, Clark is now the Briber-In Chief and her aides, ALL PAID BY YOU, are committing to full-on trickery, all to get a tax passed that hurts a majority of BCers, just so they can save political face.

Who cares about your families–Clark has hardly put them first.

Voting BC Liberal in the next election are you?

[Bavarian Raven]

It is not innovation that is problem AF, you missed the point entirely.  It is an innovation that ignores the consequences that is the problem. The oil interests have stifled true innovation to protect their investment by keeping us dependent on fossil fuels instead of cleaner alternatives.  Governments serve the interests of those that fund their campaigns, not the interests of the common man.  Capitalism itself is inefficient, and ultimately unsustainable, but those that profit from it would have you support it to protect the status quo (and their status in it)

one problem. what do we replace capitalism with? dictatorship? communism? anarchism? neither works... capitalism isn't all that its cracked up to be for sure, but its a heck of a lot better then any alternatives we got atm.

They have no credibility for a reason- being bald faced liars, over and over again.

welcome to politics. ALL politicians are liars. Liberals and NDP alike.

[Novabonker]

welcome to politics. ALL politicians are liars. Liberals and NDP alike.

It's past time to hold them to account. If they get caught lying to to - US - they're employers - then you're fired. No wiggle room, no weasel words, no more BS. As it seems they want private sector wages at the public trough, they should have the same accountability. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting this, but the liars wouldn't pass a law like that on their deathbed. I absolutely agree, they all lie.The last politician that I remember having any principles at all was Chuck Cadman, RIP. The rest all reek of the same odour.

And that is why I disbelieve the Liberals will ever roll back the HST.

[StillAqua]

one problem. what do we replace capitalism with? dictatorship? communism? anarchism? neither works... capitalism isn't all that its cracked up to be for sure, but its a heck of a lot better then any alternatives we got atm.

Good question. We need our politicians to pick and choose what gov't policies work for us and discard these political labels like capitalist and socialist that are all about ideology and not about what works best for the BC and Canadian economies. Like it or not, we will always be a resource based economy for a number reasons and a purely capitalist ideology (that Harper and Clark seem to drool over) would put all lands and natural resources under private ownership (and often foreign ownership). A purely socialist ideology would stifle important elements of a resource based economy. But we don't have to only eat from one of their buffets, we can discard ideological labels and pick and choose what's best for us. We don't seem to have a party that actually follows that philosophy (which is supposed to be liberalism).
I may hate the HST and how the "Liberals" lied about it and are trying to bribe us into accepting it, but I'm probably going to grudgingly vote for it and look towards the next election to vent my feelings and then go take a long shower since we need to move on. However, if the Feds offer Quebec a bigger bribe for them to harmonize their sales tax in the next couple years (announced in the recent budget) than they gave BC, then I'll be pissed if we didn't reject it.

[StillAqua]

I'd be happy to discuss that in another thread, this thread is about the HST.

Ha....I'm still waiting to see how this thread is "Fishing-related Issues and News". A lot of "carping"? Smells "fishy"?

[alwaysfishn]

Good question. We need our politicians to pick and choose what gov't policies work for us and discard these political labels like capitalist and socialist that are all about ideology and not about what works best for the BC and Canadian economies. Like it or not, we will always be a resource based economy for a number reasons and a purely capitalist ideology (that Harper and Clark seem to drool over) would put all lands and natural resources under private ownership (and often foreign ownership). A purely socialist ideology would stifle important elements of a resource based economy. But we don't have to only eat from one of their buffets, we can discard ideological labels and pick and choose what's best for us. We don't seem to have a party that actually follows that philosophy (which is supposed to be liberalism).
I may hate the HST and how the "Liberals" lied about it and are trying to bribe us into accepting it, but I'm probably going to grudgingly vote for it and look towards the next election to vent my feelings and then go take a long shower since we need to move on. However, if the Feds offer Quebec a bigger bribe for them to harmonize their sales tax in the next couple years (announced in the recent budget) than they gave BC, then I'll be pissed if we didn't reject it.

I believe the "bribes" are related to population...   Ontario got $4.3 billion compared to BC's $1.6.

[alwaysfishn]

Ha....I'm still waiting to see how this thread is "Fishing-related Issues and News". A lot of "carping"? Smells "fishy"?

HST is "News" is it not?

[Bavarian Raven]

Quote from: Bavarian Raven on Today at 07:10:27 AM


welcome to politics. ALL politicians are liars. Liberals and NDP alike.

It's past time to hold them to account. If they get caught lying to to - US - they're employers - then you're fired. No wiggle room, no weasel words, no more BS. As it seems they want private sector wages at the public trough, they should have the same accountability.

i agree with this. the only problem is (short of armed revolution), it cannot be accomplished. sadly.   (at least i dont see how it can be reasonably accomplished, given the type of people that politics draws in...)

Good question. We need our politicians to pick and choose what gov't policies work for us and discard these political labels like capitalist and socialist that are all about ideology and not about what works best for the BC and Canadian economies. Like it or not, we will always be a resource based economy for a number reasons and a purely capitalist ideology (that Harper and Clark seem to drool over) would put all lands and natural resources under private ownership (and often foreign ownership). A purely socialist ideology would stifle important elements of a resource based economy. But we don't have to only eat from one of their buffets, we can discard ideological labels and pick and choose what's best for us. We don't seem to have a party that actually follows that philosophy (which is supposed to be liberalism).
I may hate the HST and how the "Liberals" lied about it and are trying to bribe us into accepting it, but I'm probably going to grudgingly vote for it and look towards the next election to vent my feelings and then go take a long shower since we need to move on. However, if the Feds offer Quebec a bigger bribe for them to harmonize their sales tax in the next couple years (announced in the recent budget) than they gave BC, then I'll be pissed if we didn't reject it.

fair enough. imho, government should be in charge of only a few key elements. defence. foreign relations. making sure every-one is given fair treatment under the laws. maintenance of roads/education/health care. and even then, they should only do what is required and nothing else. but, having known many a person who has worked for the city, it is rediculous how much "lost" (wasted) money there is. heck, my own father use to work for the surrey parks board back in the late 80s and got scolded for not spending enough money o.O(yet managed to get all the work done and had the parks in a better condition then they were previously maintained too) (he quit latter that week). Heck, if things were properly managed (and people paid reasonable amounts) we wouldnt need the taxes nearly as high as they are. But that is another argument for another thread.

Now all that aside, i will vote for the HST because it seems good for the family business but i agree, the way it was put in was horrible...

[chris gadsden]

Liberal Tactics: Bamboozle and Bore HST Voters


So true.


http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/06/09/HSTLiberalTactics/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=090611