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[The Fish Hunter]

Hey!

I am just looking for some opinions on what type of line and strength YOU think works best for salmon fishing on the Vedder OR Fraser

[JAwrey]

As a general rule, I run braided in the Fraser and just regular mono in the Vedder - this seems to be the norm.  That being said, I do sometimes bring out my C3 with 30lb green braid when I hit the vedder - the direct, stretch-free connection that braid provides is fairly addictive.  I always run mono leaders, of course.

As far as strength...I've never had any reason to exceed 30lb braid.  Green is the preferred colour.

J

[mike89]

I agree with the last post, I am essentially a 1 rod and reel fisherman so I just run 30lb braided line.  It is plenty for both the fraser and the overkill on the vedder but with 1 rod and reel it is the way I chose to go, I think the benifits of running braided all the time outweigh any concerns about having both set ups.  I also agree that 30 lb test is plently,  not to likely a fish will break you off, and if I am worried about line rub from other fisherman its too crowded for me anyway.And mono leader is the only way

[Gooey]

for the fraser, I think 30lb braid is light.  I usually fish 30lb mono for my leader when on the fraser and 65 or 80lb braid. 

30lb power pro is perfect on the vedder.  I use an albright know and then attached a 10 foot length of 15lb mone that my float and split shot go on and then my various leaders of 6-12lbs depending on target species.  I do not recommend running braid right down to the weight, when you snag up, thats when you have a chance of leaving a big chunk of braid on the bottom of the river.

[norm_2]

Gooey, does the knot, where the braid and mono join, wear during a long day's fishing?  Or do you retie it during the day?  Thanks.

[JAwrey]

Gooey, does the knot, where the braid and mono join, wear during a long day's fishing?  Or do you retie it during the day?  Thanks.

I use an albright to connect the braid and mono on my gear, and have never noticed any wear.  The real key when connecting mono and braid is to make sure that the surfaces that are A) involved in the final contact/seating of the knot, or B) will experience increased friction as a result of the knot being pulled tight.  This is quite simply and easily counteracted by either spitting on the knot, or just dipping it in the water!!

for the fraser, I think 30lb braid is light.  I usually fish 30lb mono for my leader when on the fraser and 65 or 80lb braid. 

I prefer to use lighter line, longer rod

[JAwrey]

30lbs braid is like 50lbs mono but less diameter, plenty tough for the Fraser. When I used to bounce for Socks I used 30lbs braid and 20-25lbs mono leader and no problem landing chinooks.

Picture thin diameter braid with 3-4oz betty ripping through the water.... so deadly!!! Especially with watermelon corky and chartreuse wool combo , ARE YOU KIDDING ME.....open the Fraser for Socks, I'm set!!!

Hahaha or at least one I can keep!!  Had to keep putting them back on monday on the Chedder 

[Gooey]

 

30lbs braid is like 50lbs mono but less diameter,

 

Sorry but that makes no sense!  Lines are rated in "test" which is a reflection of the load they can bear up until failure. While some lines like Ultragreen are underrated, in gerneral, 30 lb line (regardless of wether its mono or braid) has a 30lb breaking strain.  If line broke at 50lbs thenit would be called 50lb.  Additionally knots NEVER perform better than the actual strength of the line so I would say that unless a manufacturer is totally mislabeling their lines, you cant take 30lb power pro, tie a knot in it and get 50lb breaking strain.

BTW fishing 65 -80 lb braid on the fraser means that if you snag your weight or your 25lb leader, your main line doesnt snap leaving lengths of braid on the river bottom.  

[JAwrey]

  

Sorry but that makes no sense!  Lines are rated in "test" which is a reflection of the load they can bear up until failure. While some lines like Ultragreen are underrated, in gerneral, 30 lb line (regardless of wether its mono or braid) has a 30lb breaking strain.  If line broke at 50lbs thenit would be called 50lb.  Additionally knots NEVER perform better than the actual strength of the line so I would say that unless a manufacturer is totally mislabeling their lines, you cant take 30lb power pro, tie a knot in it and get 50lb breaking strain.

BTW fishing 65 -80 lb braid on the fraser means that if you snag your weight or your 25lb leader, your main line doesnt snap leaving lengths of braid on the river bottom.  

One of the reasons that braid has a higher breaking strength than mono does is because more, smaller filaments braided together yields a cumulative fiber with a higher breaking strength, yet smaller diameter.  When mono is stretched, because it is a continuous single fiber, the pressure is exerted on a small section.  The way in which mono breaks could be likened to tearing duct tape, in that once the fiber has begun to tear, it tears quite easily.  Not so with braided line.  The multiple fibers that make up the braid itself provide additional tensile strength.

As well, the lack of stretch that braid provides is extremely beneficial to the longevity of the line.  Stretch, for a number of reasons, is mono's biggest downside (at least in my opinion) because it puts stress on the line, and as a result the line is more likely to break in a section that has undergone previous stress.  The "stretch-free" aspect that is a big selling-point for braided lines is nice not only for feel, but for strength as well.

As well, line "test" is somewhat of an irrelevant measure as it applies to size of fish.  Over the years, those that have used various brands, compositions and styles of fishing line have no doubt noticed that some are just inherently stronger than other fishing lines.  This is due in part to material, quality of manufacturer, quality control and just plain luck, but also due to the fact that there is no industry standard.  As you mentioned Gooey, Ultragreen is stronger than marked in a great number of cases, and fish well in excess of the stated line "test" have been landed on Ultragreen, as have quality lines like Platypus!  However, fish do not exert an instant, consistent mass/stress on the fishing line.  It fluctuates, due in part to the movements of the fish, but also due to the millions of variables involving water conditions, fishing rod, reel, mineral content etc...there are too many to name!!  I, for one, do not believe that "test" is a uniform, true-to-size unit.

-John

[Blackgivesway2blue]

not trying to hijack this thread, but ive been thinking of trying some berkley fireline on my spinning reels, would it be better if i did or just stuck with regular mono ? i think it would be a bit better cause there would be no stretch , better hooksets , and could feel the more subtle hooksets better. one thing im worried about is could it ruin the eyes on my rod? anyways thanks in advance 

[Gooey]

I bet fresh 30 lb mono breaks at a relitively similiar point to 30 lb braid...mono, stretch after stretch weakens...every snag weakens the line from snag point to the spool.  Braid I think is far less susectible to that weakening process.

B2B - As I mentioned on another thread, I have built numerous rods up so I have talked with a number of manufacturers about hopw their rings stand up to briad....certain guide materials can withstand braid: SIC, Hialoy, etc are braid friendly.

[JAwrey]

B2B - As I mentioned on another thread, I have built numerous rods up so I have talked with a number of manufacturers about hopw their rings stand up to briad....certain guide materials can withstand braid: SIC, Hialoy, etc are braid friendly.

Agreed.  I actually hate fireline, but hey 

[Ned]

Just an idea - if you are planning on using a bobber float stopper (http://www.sourcingmap.com/pcs-yellow-plastic-fishing-bobber-stopper-size-p-134318.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=froogle&utm_campaign=usfroogle), then braided line will get shredded by the wire catches. Not sure why anyone would use them in the Vedder/fraser though ...

[EZ_Rolling]

I have experienced the slipping with bobber stops, I now put 2 of them on the top and 2 on the bottom problem solved

[skaha]

--There are many ways to test line. Some standard tests and labeling would be great and long promised by the industry. Knowing the properties of the line will help choose the line best suited for where and how you are fishing.
--To be up front with you guys... I wholesale Platypus line but have only been using it last four years.
--I use and test other lines... not with a machine but by fishing and having people I know fish with the line in different situations thus the idea to have line as a monthly prize in fish porn section. People there have caught fish on their gear so hopfully will try platypus in similar situation and be successful.

--I don't think it is really  braid vs mono but what is best line suited to your use.
--If you have one rod and one reel but intend to fish multy species and places then a more general purpose line like Ultra Green is a great choice. By general purpose I don't mean that is a bad thing I mean it has a wide spectrum of uses before you would require to change to a specialty line.
--Whenever you specialize you loose something... however you can gain advantage with the specialization.
--One rod one reel... replacement spools is a way to broaden the spectrum of use of your equipment.
--Experiment... I know it's tuff when you're catching thus we often change from our go to gear when times are tuff.  But does that make sense... I've often heard my go to stuff wasn't working so I tried your gear and it didn't work.
--When you're catching (unless you're guiding) that is when to test gear that's in the box to see if it will perform.

--Knots.. I cannot stress enough that often a poorly tied knot, tightened without lubrication gives the line a bad rap. Line with nicks, dirt or excessive exposure to heat and light is another sure way to get a break.

--Hope this doesn't sound like a lecture.. guess how I learned about poorly tied knots, I feel the more I learn the more  I realize what I don't know.
--When I fish with experienced fishers..especially if they are trying my gear.. I make them tie their own so I don't get thrown over board if a disaster strikes. 

-- I haven't used braid enough to give a good comparison with mono in similar situations, I can say that a good way to fine tune your rod and reel set up is by changeing the characteristics of the line you use.