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[silver ghost]

hey guys, i am new to fly tieing and i want to make a bunch of muddler patterns. the 3 videos there are on muddlers aren't very good, maybe you guys know of a schematic online or a tutorial you use? i want to tie a bunch for coho. thanks!

[awurban@msn.com]

I have the book "The fly tying bible" By peter gathercole its good book and has 100 patterns in it. There are step by step for each fly. You could buy this book online, or I don't know if people will frown uppon this but you could also download it, via torrent

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5715483/The_Fly-Tying_Bible__100_Deadly_Trout_and_Salmon_Flies_in_Step-b

[dmoney]

fishunter,

I find video helpful= here's a nice sparse rolled muddler, step-by-step with commentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WA9Azr6YkU

D$

[fishfulthinkin]

awurban@msn.com, I also have the torrent. It's pretty detailed, tons of stuff. It's a good one

[marmot]

Rolled muddlers are a pain to tie and they make a mess

skip the deer hair and use a bead for a much friendlier fly that works just as well (better!)

[Sandman]

Rolled muddlers are a pain to tie and they make a mess

skip the deer hair and use a bead for a much friendlier fly that works just as well (better!)

I tie mine with both deer hair and a bead with no pain and a little bit of mess, but I would be interested in seeing an image of your hairless muddler.

[Speychucker]

Rolled Muddlers are my go to flies for coho, tie some up in olive with gold body and hang on!

[HOOK]

hey now Speychucker, the Olive gold body/bead is almost like a secret cause noone uses them for some reason LOL that and natural ar my top producers for coho.

I will be testing a muddler variant this year which takes alot less time to tie and has no damn deer hair

[one more cast]

hey now Speychucker, the Olive gold body/bead is almost like a secret cause noone uses them for some reason LOL that and natural ar my top producers for coho.

I will be testing a muddler variant this year which takes alot less time to tie and has no damn deer hair

Hook, are you talking about olive/gold dubbing for the body or olive body, gold ribbing?

thanks.

[Speychucker]

hey now Speychucker, the Olive gold body/bead is almost like a secret cause noone uses them for some reason LOL that and natural ar my top producers for coho.

I will be testing a muddler variant this year which takes alot less time to tie and has no damn deer hair

Ooops, do you mean this fly is a secret ?

[one more cast]

Nice, thanks.

[HOOK]

Actually I tie my Olive ones with gold body and gold bead so it matches and I have found it works better

ps - if that's what you have there it didn't look it because I'm viewing on my phone.

[Clarki Hunter]

No flash??  I like em with flash and a fine gold wire to make em last more then one fish   I also like to fish em down to a #12.  The naturals are my second favorite James

[Speychucker]

No flash??  I like em with flash and a fine gold wire to make em last more then one fish   I also like to fish em down to a #12.  The naturals are my second favorite James

I do some with flash and some without, and just give the mylar a quick brush of thinned Hard As Hull, makes em pretty tough. Usually the deer hair falls apart before the mylar unravels.

[one more cast]

I do some with flash and some without, and just give the mylar a quick brush of thinned Hard As Hull, makes em pretty tough. Usually the deer hair falls apart before the mylar unravels.

What do you use to thin Hard as Hull?

I have a have full bottle that's getting kind of thick.