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[alwaysfishn]

Sorry my bad it was TB

If you stopped rubbing yourself, I'm sure we could all take you more seriously....   

[Bassonator]

Awwww...didnt know that avatars really mattered.

[Every Day]

heres a simple question, why cant they move them on land?......holmes*

Not possible.
Salmon farms only make around 500 000 profit per turnover as it is, with close to $3 million input to get it started.

Moving to land would cost more $ for water pumps, oxygen pumps, not to mention filters for outgoing water.

Catastrophic failure is also much more possible, any problems at all and all your fish will die. These need to be stocked at high densities in order to make any money at all, if a pump dies the oxygen drops fast and all your fish die.

Even if they move them to land, you guys would all still be complaining about the waste water going into the ocean and the antibiotics, not to mention "stealing wild fish food" any ways, so why is the point really?


Lastly for all of you saying my teachers, the people I learn from, are fish farm lobbyists, you are wrong. They teach us both sides of the equation. Nothing I have seen or been taught so far has lead me to believe fish farms are bad. I have been shown facts about wild salmon, and facts about farms. I can't help but reason with the information I'v been given that anything bad is coming of fish farms in BC to this point. Everything I'v been shown is media hype, and one person's interpretation of "an abnormal amount of sea lice" or what "gross sludge is in the aphotic zone of the ocean". I like having my own opinions which are based on facts and being shown scientific papers (or having teachers that were actually granted $ to work on issues like the sea lice). I'v been to enough hatcheries, gathered enough opinions, and read enough on the topic from both sides to have my OWN opinion and not one that is influenced by either fish farm lobbyists or people like Morton.

I am not in any way benefiting from fish farms. In fact I don't intend to ever benefit from one and fully intend to work with wild stocks of fish. I am not trying to slag Morton and call her an idiot. All I am saying is she is much too anxious in jumping the gun, without all the facts needed. She is a very good persuasive writer and creative writer and therefore is able to draw a lot of attention, but I really think she shot herself in the foot on this one, unless she somehow manages to dig up another ISA positive fish somewhere....

Cheers,
Dan

[troutbreath]

I don't care how much it costs them to farm salmon. Just do it so you don't cause any other problems. I value our resources. Would hate to see things go progressively downhill, without some sort of check in place. Businesses like fish farmers should have done the math and market a product that fit the bill. If not the should just f off. Others do it no problem.

[chris gadsden]

Please find enclosed a press update including:

 

"Urgent Action Required to Identify and Contain Spread of Infectious Salmon Anemia" (Salmon Are Sacred, 10th November): http://www.salmonaresacred.org/blog/urgent-action-required-identify-and-contain-spread-infectious-salmon-anemia

 

"Canada’s reputation put at risk needlessly, says Ashfield" (Fish News EU, 10th November): http://www.fishnewseu.com/latest-news/world/7026-canadas-reputation-put-at-risk-needlessly-says-ashfield.html

 

"Delay wanted on fish farms" (The Marlborough Express, 10th November): http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/5940654/Delay-wanted-on-fish-farms

 

"Costs soar in salmon plan" (Stuff NZ, 10th November): http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5938806/Costs-soar-in-salmon-plan

 

"Shoddy science, not a salmon virus ,the problem" (Daily News, 10th November): http://www.canada.com/Shoddy+science+salmon+virus+problem/5686658/story.html

 

"Ottawa, Victoria say no ISA in BC salmon" (The Tyee, 9th November): http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Environment/2011/11/09/ISA_BC_salmon/

 

"Farm Harm Two" (Terrace Standard, 9th November): http://www.bclocalnews.com/sports/133541403.html

 

"Western Isles fish farm fined over worker's death" (BBC News, 9th November): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-15665113

 

"Scottish salmon farming company fined after worker drowns" (Health & Safety Executive, 9th November): http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-sco-10311.htm

 

"'Salmon anemia' scare has PUD on alert" (Wenatchee World, 9th November): http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2011/nov/09/salmon-anemia-scare-has-pud-on-alert/

 

"Salmon inquiry final debate targets farms" (BC Local News, 9th November): http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/133549088.html

 

"New Virus Found in Pacific Salmon" (Watershed Watch, 9th November): http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/771089/1d61d8ce4e/1470543365/f46aea8cf1/

 

"Fish flu: Genetics approach may lead to treatment" (Eureka Alert, 9th November): http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-11/nios-ffg110911.php

 

"ISA in Pacific salmon: Just kidding - When it comes to false alarms, the ISA scare is one of the biggest. Who's to blame and why?" (Intrafish, 9th November): http://www.intrafish.com/global/news/article1260746.ece

 

"CFIA says no confirmed cases of ISA in B.C" (The Courier-Islander, 9th November): http://www2.canada.com/courierislander/news/story.html?id=eafb0538-6ad5-483e-b00b-b2818cd858ad

 

"Canadian government: No ISA in Pacific salmon: Canadian agencies continue to wrap up investigation into detection of ISA in British Columbia" (Intrafish, 9th November): http://www.intrafish.com/global/news/article1260660.ece

 

"No Confirmed Cases of Infectious Salmon Anaemia in British Columbia" (Canadian Food Inspection Agency, 9th November): http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/corpaffr/newcom/2011/20111109e.shtml

 

"Mitsubishi to purchase Chilean salmon farming company" (FIS, 9th November): http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?monthyear=&day=9&id=47485&l=e&special=&ndb=1%20target=

 

"New test results on salmon find no infectious anemia" (FIS, 9th November): http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?monthyear=&day=9&id=47486&l=e&special=&ndb=1%20target=

 

"Cooke charges prompt concerns over regulators: Conservation organization calls out Canadian regulators" (Intrafish/Halifax Media Coop, 8th November): http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/fr/newsrelease/8864?mid=525

 

"NZ King Salmon proposal gets EPA support" (FIS, 8th November): http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?monthyear=&day=8&id=47447&l=e&special=&ndb=1%20target=

 

 

Including a statement endorsed by wild salmon advocates:

 

The following steps must be taken immediately by DFO (Canada) and British Columbia:

 

1) Test all Atlantic salmon farms for ISAv. 

2) Test all pacific salmon hatcheries; the upcoming brood stock should be sampled at egg-take.

3) Test wild salmon, herring and other fish species for ISAv.

4) Applying the precautionary principle to the ISA virus – the most vulnerable part of the salmon farming industry, ban all imports of Atlantic salmon eggs.

 

 

Read the official reports from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency on the second case of ISA in coho salmon in the Fraser River - online here

 

Read the report on the positive samples in chinook and chum – online here

 

The first official report of the European strain of ISA in sockeye salmon in Rivers Inlet on the Central Coast is also available online here

 

For more background on the global spread of ISA read "ISA: Diary of Disease Disaster" and "Fish Farmageddon: The Infectious Salmon Aquacalypse": http://www.wildsalmonfirst.org/fish-farmageddon-infectious-salmon-aquacalypse

 

 

Best fishes,

 

Don

[chris gadsden]

Usually it is hard to believe most politicans.

Statement from the Federal Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Canada Keith Ashfield and British Columbia Minister of Agriculture Don McRae...
... on New Test Results Indicating That There are no Confirmed Cases of ISA in British Columbia Salmon 

OTTAWA, ONTARIO, Nov 09, 2011 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- Federal officials from the Canada Food Inspection Agency, along with officials from Fisheries and Oceans Canada and British Columbia's Chief Veterinary Officer, provided a technical briefing yesterday on new test results indicating that there are no confirmed cases of Infectious Salmon Anaemia in British Columbia salmon.

The National Reference Laboratory has completed Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) testing, a sensitive but preliminary test, that has shown no presence of ISA in the samples provided; this is the same process that was reportedly used in the original claims of positive test results by individual sources. Officials provided information on the extensive actions underway by the Government of Canada to investigate claims about the presence of the disease, the timeline of test results, and the proper, science-based requirements for testing. Officials also indicated that there will be investigations into the collection, handling, transportation and storage of samples by other sources that led to the original claims.

Minister Ashfield said: "It has been a difficult few weeks for the fishing industry in British Columbia, and across the country, while waiting for these preliminary test results to come back because some have chosen to draw conclusions based on unconfirmed information. This has resulted in British Columbia's fishing industry and Canada's reputation being put at risk needlessly.

"Our government takes the health of our fisheries very seriously. We have taken appropriate and immediate action to follow up on the allegations of the presence of ISA in BC waters. We can now confirm that, preliminary analysis, using proper and internationally recognized procedures, has found that none of the samples has tested positive for ISA. In recent years, over 5000 fresh, properly stored and processed salmon have been tested by the BC government and Fisheries and Oceans Canada and there has never been a confirmed case of ISA in British Columbia salmon. An active, science-based sampling program continues for both farmed and wild salmon."

Minister McRae noted: "It is vitally important that we base our policy decisions on sound science so as to preserve and protect BC's reputation as a reliable supplier of high quality seafood to the world. This is particularly true for the dozens of coastal communities that rely on wild and farmed fisheries to feed their families and maintain their way of life. Reckless allegations based on incomplete science can be devastating to these communities and unfair to the families that make a living from the sea. Since Premier Clark is currently on a trade mission to China, I have personally asked her to reassure our valued trading partners that now as always BC can be relied upon as a supplier of safe, sustainable seafood."

Minister Ashfield continued: "Canadian and international partners can be confident that current practices and procedures to protect our wild and farmed salmon industries from disease are in place and working. I will be communicating directly with concerned parties domestically and internationally over the coming weeks to reassure my counterparts, the fishing industry and consumers that BC salmon is healthy and safe."

Related backgrounder: http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/back-fiche/2011/20111108-eng.htm

[chris gadsden]

At out FVSS meeting last night we were informed a large number of silver coho have been observed dead around the Morris Slough area. I was told today a team is on the ground today collecting samples. Good work guys and gals.

[holmes]

well Ever Day, it actually IS possible, take a look at the link......holmes*

http://www.sweetspringsalmon.com/
http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/

[aquapaloosa]

There are allot of unanswered questions about sweet spring.

Do they use medication.
Is there water 100% recirculated.
What is there power bill?
Is it truly closed containment.


  I think it is ridiculous that the greenies have zero tolerance for medication, where feed comes from that is used, the use of pigment (calling it dye), crowding of fish... the list goes on and on, but when it come to this farm it all becomes acceptable. 
  Growing fish like that(closed containment) is like getting oil from tar sands.  It requires allot of energy.

The green standard it has been awarded is very questionable.?

Eco-farmed Sweetspring and wild-caught Alaska are the only salmon listed as Super Green. No other salmon is considered sustainable by Seafood Watch. (Wild-caught Washington salmon is classified as a “Good Alternative.”)

This statement on it "super green" page pretty much sums up the misinformation campaign source to me.  Very very suspicious.

IMO

[Dave]

aquapaloosa, you have to stop confusing the anti's with facts about closed containment salmon farming

Had to smile about "wild" Alaskan salmon too!

[alwaysfishn]

  I think it is ridiculous that the greenies have zero tolerance for medication, where feed comes from that is used, the use of pigment (calling it dye), crowding of fish... the list goes on and on, but when it come to this farm it all becomes acceptable. 

Firstly it's not just "greenies" that object to open net farming. You'd be more accurate in saying that anyone that has a bit of common sense and looks at how open net farms operate can see the problems with them. They are polluting an environment that they don't belong in and putting natural wild stocks at risk.

I have no objection to fish farms feeding coloring, medication or whatever they want to these fish, as long as they do it somewhere that doesn't affect the wild fish or their environment. A closed container environment is the only place this can happen.

Now the likely hood that I would ever buy one of these unnaturally raised fish is about 0% and the more the market becomes aware of how these fish are raised, more of them will use their common sense and will stop buying these fish as well......

[alwaysfishn]

Had to smile about "wild" Alaskan salmon too!

Call the Alaskan salmon whatever you want, at least they are not polluting the environment like the open net farms are.... At least they are raising them naturally. I wouldn't be at all hesitant in purchased a "wild" Alaskan salmon for my next meal. At least I know it's not full of steriods, medication and food coloring.

[aquapaloosa]

What can you say to a guy that is so clearly misinformed about the most basic facts on salmon farming/salmon ranching.
I just don't know.

I guess he is "always fishing" and not "always listening".

[alwaysfishn]

Lastly for all of you saying my teachers, the people I learn from, are fish farm lobbyists, you are wrong. They teach us both sides of the equation. Nothing I have seen or been taught so far has lead me to believe fish farms are bad. I have been shown facts about wild salmon, and facts about farms. I can't help but reason with the information I'v been given that anything bad is coming of fish farms in BC to this point.

Cheers,
Dan

I'm going to call you on this Dan, even if it is at the risk of bursting the "unbiased" educational system bubble.

Post secondary education is a business. They are there to fill classrooms with tuition paying students. Many of them get financial support from big business. This trend is becoming more prevalent as government funding gets cut back and students have a more difficult time affording the tuition.

Now do you think that the school's aquaculture program would teach anything negative about fish farming, knowing that there is a huge potential demand for employees (tuition paying students) in this field? Would they say anything negative about fish farms, knowing that the government that supports fish farming also provides a large portion of the school's funding?

Of course they wouldn't, just like the marketing department for fish farms isn't going to advertise the negatives about their product.

[aquapaloosa]

I would say that SFU contradicts your last  post AF. 

IMO