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shuswapsteve

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #255 on: December 03, 2011, 10:10:10 PM »

I could have commented on nearly all her statements but this is the one I liked the best :D
Wonder how many DFO hatcheries will ask for her assistance?  any guesses???
Nice stuff Chris ...

Asking for Morton's assistance is in this case is like asking Bernie Madoff to look after your finances.

I am sure Wal-Mart has been selling quite a bit of equipment for Morton's sampling.   Probably sold out of the plastic cutting boards, paring knives and Hanna Montana lunch coolers. Yeah...some quality working getting done...lol.
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #256 on: December 03, 2011, 10:31:53 PM »

Chris, this news is about 3 months old  ::)  and I don't really understand your point but since you mention it, during that 3 month period Ms. Morton has embarrassed herself and her supporters many times and has lost more of what credibility she ever had.
You are following this closely so I don't have to supply examples but think yellow pinks, poor sampling techniques, poorly advised press conferences, misinformed blogs ...
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #257 on: December 04, 2011, 07:47:28 AM »

Asking for Morton's assistance is in this case is like asking Bernie Madoff to look after your finances.

I am sure Wal-Mart has been selling quite a bit of equipment for Morton's sampling.   Probably sold out of the plastic cutting boards, paring knives and Hanna Montana lunch coolers. Yeah...some quality working getting done...lol.

Anyone making a statement like that obviously knows very little about finance....

A typical trait of a loser is to stop defending their own position (usually because it is weak) and then attempts to belittle and discredit the opponent. If you'd like to participate in the discussion, the least you can do is add something of value.

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #258 on: December 04, 2011, 09:06:21 AM »

A typical trait of a loser is to stop defending their own position (usually because it is weak) and then attempts to belittle and discredit the opponent

Isn't that precisely what you have done?
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #259 on: December 04, 2011, 01:26:48 PM »

A typical trait of a loser is to stop defending their own position (usually because it is weak) and then attempts to belittle and discredit the opponent

Isn't that precisely what you have done?

No it isn't.
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #260 on: December 04, 2011, 02:35:43 PM »

No worries absolon, she's only got about 5 minutes of her 15 minutes of fame left anyways. ;D
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #261 on: December 05, 2011, 12:51:39 PM »

Please find enclosed a press update including:

 

"Editorial: Something fishy about Canada’s response to salmon virus" (News Tribune, 5th December): http://blog.thenewstribune.com/opinion/2011/12/04/something-fishy-about-canadas-response-to-salmon-virus/

 

"Chile investigates ISA" (Intrafish, 5th December): http://www.intrafish.com/global/news/article1262275.ece

 

"Scientists amp up ISA surveillance in North Pacific" (Intrafish, 5th December): http://www.intrafish.com/global/news/article1262277.ece

 

"New suspect site of ISA virus: the National Fisheries Service (Sernapesca) has detected a new suspect site of a virulent strain of the ISA virus (HPR7b) in the 11th Region (Aysén)" (Fish Farming Xpert, 5th December): http://www.fishfarmingxpert.com/index.php?page_id=76&article_id=93278

 

"Leroy farm struck by PD: Group considers whether to slaughter biomass after tests confirm presence of pancreatic disease in salmon pen" (Intrafish, 5th December): http://www.intrafish.com/global/news/article1262282.ece

 

"Halting federal funding of GE salmon" (Press Democrat, 5th December): http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111205/OPINION/111209858/1010/sports?Title=GUEST-OPINION-Halting-federal-funding-of-GE-salmon

 

"Food agency’s handling of salmon-virus scare commendable" (The Globe & Mail, 5th December): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/mark-hume/food-agencys-handling-of-salmon-virus-scare-commendable/article2259718/

 

"Additional in-depth test results show no signs of ISA in BC - a technical briefing has confirmed BC's salmon farming is free from ISA" (FIS, 5th December): http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?l=e&country=0&special=&monthyear=&day=&id=48184&ndb=1&df=0

 

"Salmon farm maps made public" (FIS, 5th December): http://www.fis.com/fis/worldnews/worldnews.asp?monthyear=&day=5&id=48166&l=e&special=&ndb=1%20target=

 

"Discovery of deadly salmon virus devolves into “salmongate?  Did Canada cover up the emergence of Atlantic salmon virus on the Pacific Coast for nine years?”" (The Wildlife News, 4th December): http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2011/12/04/discovery-of-deadly-salmon-virus-devolves-into-salmongate/ 

 

"No virus in salmon: Canada's claim needs U.S. verification" (Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 3rd December): http://www.seattlepi.com/local/connelly/article/No-virus-in-salmon-Canada-s-claim-needs-U-S-2341209.php   

 

"Sick salmon?  Fish farming critic tests BC waters for infectious salmon virus" (CFJC TV, 3rd December): http://cfjctv.com/story.php?id=5938

 

 

Including an Editorial in today's News Tribune:

 

"From the outside, at least, it appears that Fisheries and Oceans Canada favored promotion of salmon farms over protecting wild stocks – and communicating with their U.S. counterparts.  Given the fact that so many American fishery jobs could be impacted, Canadian officials have an obligation to share all the information from 2002 and to be more forthcoming in the future with research findings that affect Pacific Northwest fish"

 

From Joel Connelly in The Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

 

"When President Obama meets Prime Minister Stephen Harper next Wednesday, the U.S. should ask for: a) immediate creation of an international evaluation board consisting of governments, fishers and Native groups; b) testing of salmon up and down the West Coast, in waters of both countries; and c) unrestricted testing by scientists of sample fish taken from salmon farms.

 

"No agency can promote fish farming -- not regulate, promote -- and at the same time safeguard wild salmon. It is clear that when push comes to shove, it's the salmon-farming industry that wins," said Alexandra Morton, a marine biologist who has incurred DFO's wrath for challenging the department's ties to the industry"

 

And from CFJC TV on Friday:

 

"Fish farming critic, Alexandra Morton, is testing BC rivers for a salmon virus in north pacific waters which may or may not be present.  Morton says she has tested 15 rivers for infectious salmon anaemia and is sending her samples to labs in Prince Edward Island and Norway"

 

 

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #262 on: December 05, 2011, 11:37:21 PM »

I agree with Chris. Can't deny the facts. Millions of salmon are in open-net pens pooping into big piles on the ocean floor. This has an effect on salmon, and without it being a stretch, which is probably not a good thing for wild salmon.  And this site is funny...

http://www.superheroes4salmon.org/

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #263 on: December 06, 2011, 08:04:19 AM »

I agree with Chris. Can't deny the facts.
What facts are being denied? If you're concerned about fish defecating in the ocean, how do you feel about pig, cow and chicken manure being spread on fields in the Fraser Valley or Victoria's sewage disposal system ?
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #264 on: December 06, 2011, 08:55:17 AM »

What facts are being denied? If you're concerned about fish defecating in the ocean, how do you feel about pig, cow and chicken manure being spread on fields in the Fraser Valley or Victoria's sewage disposal system ?

Great argument Dave.   ???  ;D
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #265 on: December 06, 2011, 08:39:17 PM »

Anyone making a statement like that obviously knows very little about finance....

A typical trait of a loser is to stop defending their own position (usually because it is weak) and then attempts to belittle and discredit the opponent. If you'd like to participate in the discussion, the least you can do is add something of value.


Here is something of value for you, but it really doesn't matter anyway because all you want to hear is how wonderful Morton is.  Sorry for being a party pooper.

I realize that Morton's sampling techniques must be a real sore spot for you, so I can understand your frustration.  Actually what I have said is not that far from the truth when you consider what some of these people are using for sampling equipment and techniques.  Don't take my word for it - these “Superheroes for Salmon” have all their exploits on YouTube where they openly show how incompetent they are while sampling these salmon boots.  In addition, they have a manual on how to sample – put out by someone who does not know what they are doing either.  Meanwhile, anti-fish farm bloggers on this site and others like it continue to gobble this up and preach it like it is the gosphel – not even questioning the validity of the methodology used by these individuals.

Secondly, Alexandra Morton and Don Staniford, who have no idea what they are doing when it comes to tissue sampling and investigating viruses, have the audacity to criticize people that actually do this type of sampling for a living.  If this was someone at the Pacific Biological Station that did this sloppy field sampling the public would be outraged, but if it was from these “Superheroes for Salmon” it seems like it is alright because they are “removed from government influence”.  This is a typical lame excuse that is constantly used to defend actions of Morton and Staniford.  Critics like Morton have been belittling government biologists and technicians recently, so why should she not be held to the fire for her own incompetence?  You might want to start questioning the information you are obtaining from her and her closest followers, like Don Staniford, instead of just welcoming it with open arms and asking no questions.  If these tissue samples were of such poor quality why were conclusions drawn from them in October with premature accusations made against the BC salmon farming industry.  Even Dr. Routledge admitted afterwards that his preservation methods were not optimal and that more stringent testing was needed.  Start questioning instead of just taking what these people say at face value.
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #266 on: December 07, 2011, 10:17:23 AM »

New study shows eco-labels fail to measure up
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Environmental standards for farm-raised seafood often fall short
WASHINGTON — A new report released today by the University of Victoria ranks eco-labels intended to distinguish seafood produced with less damage to the environment. It is the first study to evaluate how eco-labels for farmed marine fish compare to unlabeled options in the marketplace.

"How Green is Your Eco-label?" is designed to help seafood buyers sort through competing sustainability claims and better identify those labels that result in farming methods with less damage to the ocean. Key findings include:

■"Organic" labels lead the pack, although a few fall noticeably short;
■Many eco-labels are not much better than conventional farmed seafood options when it comes to protecting the ocean environment;
■Scale is a big challenge for eco-labels: For the most part, eco-labels are awarded based on an individual farm’s environmental footprint. However, the cumulative environmental effects of many farms can quickly overwhelm the benefits of reductions in impacts by a single farm or small group of certified farms.
"Our research shows that most eco-labels for farmed marine fish offer no more than a 10 percent improvement over the status quo," said John Volpe, Ph.D., a marine ecologist at the University of Victoria and lead author of the report. "With the exception of a few outstanding examples, one-third of the eco-labels evaluated for these fish utilize standards at the same level or below what we consider to be conventional or average practice in the industry."

Supported by the Pew Environment Group, the study, which was reviewed by several independent experts, uses a well-established quantitative methodology derived from the 2010 Global Aquaculture Performance Index (http://www.gapi.ca) to determine numerical scores of environmental performance for 20 different eco-labels for farmed marine finfish, such as salmon, cod, turbot, and grouper. These scores were used to rank performance among the various eco-labels. The assessment did not look at eco-labels for freshwater farmed fish, such as tilapia or catfish.

The authors used 10 environmental factors to assess the eco-labels, including antibiotic use, the ecological effect of farmed fish that escape from pens, sustainability of the fish that serve as feed, parasiticide use, and industrial energy needed in aquaculture production.

"Eco-labels can help fish farmers produce and consumers select environmentally preferable seafood, but only if the labels are based on meaningful standards that are enforced," said Chris Mann, director of Pew’s Aquaculture Standards Project. "Seafood buyers at the retail or wholesale level should demand that evidence of sustainability be demonstrated, not merely asserted."

The report concludes that government policies and regulations, as well as effective eco-labels, are necessary to limit the environmental impacts of production.

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The Pew Environment Group is the conservation arm of The Pew Charitable Trusts, a non-governmental organization that works globally to establish pragmatic, science-based policies that protect our oceans, preserve our wildlands, and promote clean energy. http://www.PewEnvironment.org

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #267 on: December 07, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »

I wonder why an American foundation running on funds donated by the beneficiaries of the Sun Oil Co (Sunoco) fortune is financing a study into the validity of environmental labeling on farmed fish in Canada? What possible benefit justifies the investment of money and time?
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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #268 on: December 07, 2011, 05:10:17 PM »

Virus causing cardiomyopathy syndrome (CMS) of Atlantic salmon identified
Norway: Pharmaq and the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science have identified the Pharmaq and the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science have identified the virus causing CMS of salmon.


Through this discovery more tools will become available that will make it possible to control the disease and limit the spread and the impact of the disease. PHARMAQ will explore the possibilities for developing a vaccine against CMS, a disease which currently results in significant losses for the aquaculture industry.

Cardiomyopathy syndrome of Atlantic salmon was first recorded in the mid 80’s in Norway. Economic losses are high since primarily fish at slaughter size die.

The virus was discovered through a close research collaboration between Pharmaq with project manager Marit Rode, and Professor Øystein Evensen and his research group at the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science.

- This is a result of a close and productive collaboration over many years, say the two scientists. The research program was partly funded by the Research Council of Norway.

Pål Nilsen and Dr Karine Lindmo were the main scientists at Pharmaq while Drs. Øyvind Haugland and Aase B. Mikalsen were the two scientists with strongest involvement at the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science. The focus has been to characterize the virus and study the host-pathogen interaction and development of disease.

- We have identified a new and until now unknown virus of fish and part of the genome show resemblance with viruses of the family Totiviridae, says Øyvind Haugland, and he continues: The fact that such a virus has not been described in fish before is by itself interesting, but also challenging scientifically. A related virus has earlier been identified as the cause of myonecrosis of white shrimp, but no virus of this family has been isolated from a vertebrate species before.

- Experimental challenge based on virus grown in cell culture results in pathological changes of the heart typical of CMS. Fish injected with the virus as well as cohabiting fish (with those injected) develop typical CMS changes, say Drs. Marit Rode and Øystein Evensen. The virus can be detected in the heart of clinically diseased fish and the amount of virus correlates with heart lesions.

Additional CMS research is carried out as part of a large CMS-consortium where academic and commercial partners have joined forces, including partners like Marine Harvest, AquaGen, Pharmaq, Lerøy Seafood, the National Veterinary Institute, Nofima Marine, the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science, NIFES, and Ewos Innovation. This work is co-funded by the Research Council of Norway, and the Fisheries Research Fund. The result from this collaboration will also provide applied knowledge to the aquaculture industry.

CMS has been recorded along the entire Norwegian coast, and the disease was reported from 79 different locations in 2009, close to what has been reported from previous years. The disease shows clinical manifestation throughout the year, peaking in the late fall and late winter/early spring. Accumulated mortality (by site) has been reported at 6%. CMS has also been recorded in the Faroe Islands and in Scotland.

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Re: Lethal virus from European salmon found in wild BC salmon
« Reply #269 on: December 07, 2011, 05:59:27 PM »

Virus causing cardiomyopathy syndrome (CMS) of Atlantic salmon identified
Norway: Pharmaq and the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science have identified the Pharmaq and the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science have identified the virus causing CMS of salmon.


Through this discovery more tools will become available that will make it possible to control the disease and limit the spread and the impact of the disease. PHARMAQ will explore the possibilities for developing a vaccine against CMS, a disease which currently results in significant losses for the aquaculture industry.

Cardiomyopathy syndrome of Atlantic salmon was first recorded in the mid 80’s in Norway. Economic losses are high since primarily fish at slaughter size die.

The virus was discovered through a close research collaboration between Pharmaq with project manager Marit Rode, and Professor Øystein Evensen and his research group at the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science.

- This is a result of a close and productive collaboration over many years, say the two scientists. The research program was partly funded by the Research Council of Norway.

Pål Nilsen and Dr Karine Lindmo were the main scientists at Pharmaq while Drs. Øyvind Haugland and Aase B. Mikalsen were the two scientists with strongest involvement at the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science. The focus has been to characterize the virus and study the host-pathogen interaction and development of disease.

- We have identified a new and until now unknown virus of fish and part of the genome show resemblance with viruses of the family Totiviridae, says Øyvind Haugland, and he continues: The fact that such a virus has not been described in fish before is by itself interesting, but also challenging scientifically. A related virus has earlier been identified as the cause of myonecrosis of white shrimp, but no virus of this family has been isolated from a vertebrate species before.

- Experimental challenge based on virus grown in cell culture results in pathological changes of the heart typical of CMS. Fish injected with the virus as well as cohabiting fish (with those injected) develop typical CMS changes, say Drs. Marit Rode and Øystein Evensen. The virus can be detected in the heart of clinically diseased fish and the amount of virus correlates with heart lesions.

Additional CMS research is carried out as part of a large CMS-consortium where academic and commercial partners have joined forces, including partners like Marine Harvest, AquaGen, Pharmaq, Lerøy Seafood, the National Veterinary Institute, Nofima Marine, the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science, NIFES, and Ewos Innovation. This work is co-funded by the Research Council of Norway, and the Fisheries Research Fund. The result from this collaboration will also provide applied knowledge to the aquaculture industry.

CMS has been recorded along the entire Norwegian coast, and the disease was reported from 79 different locations in 2009, close to what has been reported from previous years. The disease shows clinical manifestation throughout the year, peaking in the late fall and late winter/early spring. Accumulated mortality (by site) has been reported at 6%. CMS has also been recorded in the Faroe Islands and in Scotland.
Well thanks Chris, I guess.  Does this have relevence to our discussion topic?
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