its valuable experience when you get out there and meet people and exchange or witness tactics. The problem with people who don't get any catch is because most of them don't always do their homework, pick bad area to fish, not very open to odd areas to fish (tons of overlooked areas on the vedder), don't know what they are targetting, lure/bait/rod set ups and finally they are really trying to catch them on a different method. ie, fly fishing.....So factor all theses out and see where you went wrong but of course there are bad days where you will skunk regardless of what you do. It is luck with experience under their belt. Just evaluate what you tried this outing and what you will try next time, always that steelhead mentality for me.