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[mzmann]

A very good watch for all salmon/nature lovers......I really hope the pipleline mentioned does indeed get stopped but I have my doubts. Some really incredible salmon shots and video in it as well though!! Highly recommend!!

http://vimeo.com/19582018

[Matt]

Very neat.  Beautiful footage.  

For me, the focus of threat of Enbridge's pipeline has been on steelhead in Skeena drainage, its interesting to see other threats it presents.  The Enbridge pipeline carries some of the worlds dirtiest oil through the second most productive anadromous fish-bearing drainage in BC.  

http://pipeupagainstenbridge.ca/learn/pipeline

I would encourage everyone to send a letter expressing your concern about the Enbridge pipeline.  It only takes a few minutes to write a letter,  it only needs to be a paragraph or so.  The website above breaks its down pretty succinctly, pick a few points that are most important to you and mail to:

Office of the Premier
PO BOX 9041 STN PROV GOVT
Victoria BC
V8W9E1
CANADA

IMO its better to send a letter than an email.  Its my honest belief that these letters are read.  I got a reply to mine.

[mzmann]

Great idea and im on it!!, gettin the wife to do one as well.

It truly is sad that something like this is more than likely going to happen still though. I would imagine as well though that if indeed it does go through then the pipeliners are going to have a hell of a time trying to build through there as im sure a ton of people, especially locals are going to be doing everything they can right till the bitter end to make it as difficult as possible for them!!

[Matt]

Great idea and im on it!!, gettin the wife to do one as well.

Great, that's awesome!

[alwaysfishn]

A very good watch for all salmon/nature lovers......I really hope the pipleline mentioned does indeed get stopped but I have my doubts. Some really incredible salmon shots and video in it as well though!! Highly recommend!!

http://vimeo.com/19582018

If I could limit all my lifestyle activities to walking distance, I could get rid of my vehicles and then I would in good conscience oppose this pipeline proposal.

However as long as I use the by-products of what the pipeline is going to deliver, it would be rather hypocritical of me to oppose it.   

[mzmann]

If I could limit all my lifestyle activities to walking distance, I could get rid of my vehicles and then I would in good conscience oppose this pipeline proposal.

However as long as I use the by-products of what the pipeline is going to deliver, it would be rather hypocritical of me to oppose it.   

I see what you are saying there alwaysfishn but really I don't think its being all that hypocritical when in reality they do have other options rather than destroying an incredible river/the only habitat of the Kermode bear as well as basically just waiting until one of those tankers runs aground and we end up with another massive spill that will ruin one of the most majestic places we know......there is a ton of other reasons/threats involved with it as well.

Yes we all pretty much use the byproducts in one form or another but that still doesn't mean that we should sit by and watch/let something like this happen without speaking up about it. If this is the way we thought and we teach our children to think then there will just continue to me more and more mass destruction of these places until there is none left. At least with people speaking up about it all the time there will continue to be more and more people and officials looking towards other means of getting it from point a-b without the utter destruction of key habitats IMO.

[alwaysfishn]

We already have tankers running down the coast from Alaska to California, although the more tankers are out there the higher the risk.

I'm curious as to what other options are out there....   The keystone option to ship oil by pipeline south through Alberta seems like a good option, unfortunately US politics has shut out that option. Building refineries in Alberta and shipping the refined products seems like a good option, however it is not a financially viable option as there is already an over capacity of refineries in the US and they are losing money on those ventures. No oil company will build new refineries in Canada when they are losing money on their current US refineries.

Teaching our children that they should speak up, while knowing that there is no practical alternative is also hypocritical.

[mzmann]

We already have tankers running down the coast from Alaska to California, although the more tankers are out there the higher the risk.

I'm curious as to what other options are out there....   The keystone option to ship oil by pipeline south through Alberta seems like a good option, unfortunately US politics has shut out that option. Building refineries in Alberta and shipping the refined products seems like a good option, however it is not a financially viable option as there is already an over capacity of refineries in the US and they are losing money on those ventures. No oil company will build new refineries in Canada when they are losing money on their current US refineries.

Teaching our children that they should speak up, while knowing that there is no practical alternative is also hypocritical.

Tankers running up and down the coast is one thing.....having a very large number of them having to constantly navigate through tight, narrow, rocky areas with many turns is just asking for disaster.......other options other than the ones you mentioned (piss on the US politics my smelly socks cause thats exactly what it is) would be to find a route that has the least amount of environmental impact as possible.........they could actually go ahead and BUILD these refineries/create more jobs as they are NOT losing $$ and trust me when I say that as I have been in the oilfield going on 18yrs now and strictly overseas for the last 8.......thats exactly what they want one to believe so that things like this can go ahead and the rich can just keep on getting richer!......bottom line is that yeah doing "other" options may not make the higher ups, gov't officials, oil and gas companies as much money, but they will still make a ton of it either way so maybe they should pull their heads outta their asses and spend a bit extra if needed in order to protect rather than destroy key areas and habitats.

This practicality you speak of only comes down to the fat cats wanting to get fatter and sadly enough they are also the ones that have most of the pull and leverage.......so I still stand by in when I say that the more people speak up about it all the less choice the muckity mucks have but to find other alternatives/solutions....hardly hypocritical.

[bigblockfox]

great video, and thanks for sharing. who in there right mind could think this is a good idea. how do these people sleep at night. where do these oil companies get the rights to do this to our land. o ya the government which it turn gets there backed scratched by big oil companies. when is enough enough.

[alwaysfishn]

great video, and thanks for sharing. who in there right mind could think this is a good idea. how do these people sleep at night. where do these oil companies get the rights to do this to our land. o ya the government which it turn gets there backed scratched by big oil companies. when is enough enough.

I don't think anybody is saying it's a "good idea". Unless we figure out another way to generate energy, it's the only idea......

[Animal Chin]

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed that video very much and will write something to my MP and the premier.

[bigblockfox]

I don't think anybody is saying it's a "good idea". Unless we figure out another way to generate energy, it's the only idea......

whats wrong with the way there doing it now? its not generating profits fast enough. right now its being trucked to the ports. so they want to put a pipeline in. move there product faster, making more prophet. i watched the ceo on bnn yesterday, he was not interested in other ways to generate energy, he is interested in to move this product before it becomes obsolete to new energy. He also says "everyone is doing it, we should to". is that the right mentality? look at Matt's first link on his first post and read all the spills this company has had in the past. is that something we want in our province. like that fellow said in the video, " its not a matter of its going to happen, its a matter of when".

[alwaysfishn]

whats wrong with the way there doing it now? its not generating profits fast enough. right now its being trucked to the ports. so they want to put a pipeline in. move there product faster, making more prophet.

I'm not that familiar with what they are doing now. I do know that there is not enough capacity to refine the heavy oil in Canada, however there is a lot of refining capacity in the US. Second, we have more than enough oil for our needs in Canada, but the US needs more oil. I do not believe any of the heavy oil is trucked. There is a pipeline that goes to the US but it does not have enough capacity.

I agree it is about profits, however it is also about jobs, high paying jobs. Would you rather see other countries get the benefit of selling their oil to the US rather than seeing Canada benefit? The only alternative to building a new pipeline is to leave the oil in the ground. That would mean not just the loss of profits but more importantly the loss of a lot of high paying jobs.

I agree "its not a matter of if it's going to happen, it's a matter of when".  Hopefully it has a minimal impact on the environment when it happens.

[bigblockfox]

don't take this the wrong way but did you watch the video? i think your referring to the keystone pipeline project to Texas. this ones different. this has nothing to with the states unless their American owned, that i am not sure. this oil is pumped from Alberta to coastal BC then tankered to china. i am all for getting jobs but at what cost. the cost of one of these tankers sinking in our coastal waters? it that worth a few high paying job? to me its not.

[alwaysfishn]

don't take this the wrong way but did you watch the video? i think your referring to the keystone pipeline project to Texas. this ones different. this has nothing to with the states unless their American owned, that i am not sure. this oil is pumped from Alberta to coastal BC then tankered to china. i am all for getting jobs but at what cost. the cost of one of these tankers sinking in our coastal waters? it that worth a few high paying job? to me its not.

I have watched the video and I understand this is different than the keystone pipeline. My point is that unless the keystone pipeline is approved and built, the only other option is the pipeline through northern BC. At this point I believe the market it would be destined for is the US market. If it was going to be shipped to China there would be limited risk as the tankers would run straight west as opposed to along the coast.

For you and I it's not worth a high paying job, but let's see you convince an Alberta oil worker of that.