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[blacktail2]

I am not sure why the guy did what he did neither, its something i wouldn't do maybe he is skirting the law maybe not until someone asks we wont know. Now has anyone thought that this guy just prevented something from being wasted? No one has given anything like that any thought at all. What about guys out coho fishing on the river and going to tail a fish and the hook pops out and the fish is thrashing in the shallow water, there is no one that can convince me they would not grab it or at least making an attempt including myself. So technically that fish was caught but got away and because you didn't grab it while a hook was in its mouth it is technically illegal is it not ?? I couldn't tell you but that's the message i am getting from the numerous comments posted on this topic. Lets take it for what it is kinda funny really that someone might take it home and eat something he doesn't know how long its been dead. We should be chuckling at this and chalking it up for another classic "Chedder River" Foley.

[Pat AV]

Now has anyone thought that this guy just prevented something from being wasted? No one has given anything like that any thought at all.

Actually for a fish to lay dead in the river is not a waste as Typhoon said a couple posts before yours. The nutrients go back into the flow and coastal flows need all the nutrients they can get.

[skaha]

--So you guys are saying he should fish and kill another?
--I don't get it... he did not say I'm taking it and not marking it on my license.. what's the problem.

[awurban@msn.com]

The spey bashing is funny lol. Is there a bit of gear or bait fishing elitism on the boards? lol I thought it was usually the other way around. I think stupidity doesnt know the difference between fly and gear. Also I will admit I catch less steelehead on the fly then guys will catch on bait but in a lot of rivers there are catch and release and bait bans; also It doesnt matter how you fish as long as its legal, ethical, and your having fun.

[dereke]

Sounds like a typical spey guy, if they are not flossing or snagging you can usually find them messing around with carion. Those guys make me sick, and to top it off they are always with the "hollier than thou" attitude.

Just spit my food up bro! Lol

[silver ghost]

I am not sure why the guy did what he did neither, its something i wouldn't do maybe he is skirting the law maybe not until someone asks we wont know. Now has anyone thought that this guy just prevented something from being wasted? No one has given anything like that any thought at all. What about guys out coho fishing on the river and going to tail a fish and the hook pops out and the fish is thrashing in the shallow water, there is no one that can convince me they would not grab it or at least making an attempt including myself. So technically that fish was caught but got away and because you didn't grab it while a hook was in its mouth it is technically illegal is it not ?? I couldn't tell you but that's the message i am getting from the numerous comments posted on this topic. Lets take it for what it is kinda funny really that someone might take it home and eat something he doesn't know how long its been dead. We should be chuckling at this and chalking it up for another classic "Chedder River" Foley.

Interesting point, but the coho in the scenario you described is theoretically caught by hook and line. Arguably the steelhead in question was too, but because the spey guy did not actually see the fish being caught [lets assume] also keeping in mind that fish 'gifting' is not allowed, picking up the fish and keeping it towards his quota is not legal. Whether or not anyone would care if he kept it is a seperate issue. The way I see it, if the law was to allow people who grab fish out of the water with no hooks in their mouths it would have sever implications. I am getting a little analytcal here but arguably one could say any fish was caught "but the hook popped out" and start picking fish up with their hands and keeping them [assuming fish were slow and stupid and not impossible to catch with bare hands]

The dead steelhead retained is not legal just like how guys who fish sturgeon in the fraser are not allowed to scoop out the floaters [to use for bait]

[jetboatjim]

so should the CO's go after a guy that picks up some dead fish or a guy breaking some other law or a guy  that kills a wild fish ?

I dont see anything wrong with it.

[wizard]

I woulda looked at it, wondered how it got there, then carried on my merry way, like most...but hey I guess some people are just so desperate...wouldn't doubt if he weighed it in at fred's, hero shots, etc... haha, atleast he marked it...

It's pretty interesting hearing other fisherman's perspectives on this sort of thing as well.

I don't necessarily think it's "wrong" to do that, but wouldn't do it myself.

[firstlight]

It was probably fresh and had just died due to lack of oxygen from the Spey guys frothing the water up.
So yes,he did catch it.
Thats how they do it.

[blaydRnr]

just for the sake of info, it is illegal to retain fish that had not been caught by means other than what is described in the regulations. it is no different from the act of "gifting" or using a child with a toy fishing rod as an "active" fisherman to double your limit...the argument would be that the child can't be entitled to retain fish just because he/she has in their possession the tackle to show they were fishing...the parent would have to prove the child was capable of hooking and landing the fish or at the least be able to play and land the fish themself...so the key phrase would be "the act of catching and landing".

of course, in the case of the spey guy it's obvious he was more than capable of catching the steelhead, but if it was proven that he didn't catch and land the fish himself, he would be liable for breaking the law.

[dennyman]

Sheesh, my head is starting to get sore after reading some of the latest replies to this thread. Almost sounds like you need a law degree before you can go out fishing.

[silver ghost]

just for the sake of info, it is illegal to retain fish that had not been caught by means other than what is described in the regulations. it is no different from the act of "gifting" or using a child with a toy fishing rod as an "active" fisherman to double your limit...the argument would be that the child can't be entitled to retain fish just because he/she has in their possession the tackle to show they were fishing...the parent would have to prove the child was capable of hooking and landing the fish or at the least be able to play and land the fish themself...so the key phrase would be "the act of catching and landing".

of course, in the case of the spey guy it's obvious he was more than capable of catching the steelhead, but if it was proven that he didn't catch and land the fish himself, he would be liable for breaking the law.

Nice, that's similar to what I was thinking

[Dennis.t]

What started off as a unusual observation is now getting disected to death by wannabe C.O officers. Much prefer the humourous posts on this thread.

[silver ghost]

What started off as a unusual observation is now getting disected to death by wannabe C.O officers. Much prefer the humourous posts on this thread.

LOL you wish! I'm just playing devil's advocate and am studying law. Way too many wannabe fish cops on the river anyways!

[canso]

He should have grabbed his leader as close to the hook as possible, then hooked the fish in the mouth, and landed it.
 
What a joke, go fishing and get over it.