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[AnnieP]

...and I thought the antis had the market cornered on conspiracy theories.

Read http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/170964-1979.pdf taken from Sounder, Volume V11, Number 1 dated Sept/Oct 1979

Scroll down the page till you come to an article entitled " Catch 22 " The mixed fishery.  As early as 1959 the DFO studied Mainland pinks and came to the conclusion regarding their natural run fluctuations they could be "fished" to extinction. Nothing to do with sea lice or salmon farms. And the truth is they still fluctuate from even to odd years as they have done for decades in spite of your fish farm sea lice conspiracy theory. There was a ribbon boundary in place for mainland humps for years. Are you going to call this fact a conspiracy theory too ? It was written before Morton and her cronies appointed themselves experts on the Broughton and Mainland pinks. I trust the DFO on this one thanks.

[Sandman]

Thanks Steve. Glad someone knows what they are talking about.

Got it Annie.  I see why some people on other boards might have become hostile towards you.  You have, in the short time you have been here, reduced your responses to suggesting that if I do not agree with you, then I do not know what I am talking about. We're done.  Good-bye Ms P.  You can can go back to your mud slinging on the other boards.

[aquapaloosa]

Sandman,

Please before you bail on us or anne,  could  define, in your words, high densities.  Also, you stated that a farm

negates the natural order

.  Is this the basis of your position on salmon farming in BC?  

  Anne brings a whole new version to the discussion and has posted some factual items that are interesting.  Don't you think your jumping the gun a bit on choosing to be the one insulted by her statement.  Your choice I guess, but I respect your input in the discussion.  While I do not agree with your overall perspective on the issue I am always interested in your response.
Myself being a salmon farmer can relate to AnneP with regard to the frustration about the misinformation that is out there.  I too have been insulted on the boards blatantly for my bad spelling and the odd mistake/misunderstanding and more.  All items that have nothing to do with facts.  

I just do not think that anne said some people or one person here doesn't know what they are talking about.  She said she is glad that steve knows what he is talking about and to date he has demonstrated that statement exceptionally.  I think your jumping the gun.  Please lets discuss details and not bail on non factual circumstances.  

Where are these other boards your talking about?

[absolon]

From my point of view, Annie is welcome here as a civil contributor and adds to the debate. Her comment referenced Steve's response regarding fish density on the farms and the vagueness and lack of definition in it's use as a rhetorical term. It doesn't appear to me to be an insult addressed at you, just an appreciation that someone thought it important enough to be specific about what "high density" mean. No need to deal in nebulous and prejudicial rhetoric if you've got actual, meaningful facts at hand.

[shuswapsteve]

Hey Sandman, I just wanted to know what you meant by high densities - that's all.  I typically ask that type of a question when someone says either too high or too low (my father used to say "How long is a piece of string"}.  I just found the density value on BC Salmon Facts, so it is not as if I am a fish farmer and knew this all along.  If you think it's bogus then by all means express it.  I didn't mean any ill will by the question or make it seem like I was some aquaculturalist. I actually appreciate your coherent responses even if I do not agree with them all the time.  Peace.

[AnnieP]

Got it Annie.  I see why some people on other boards might have become hostile towards you.  You have, in the short time you have been here, reduced your responses to suggesting that if I do not agree with you, then I do not know what I am talking about. We're done.  Good-bye Ms P.  You can can go back to your mud slinging on the other boards.

Actually I didn't insult you personally in the least. I commented to Steve I was glad someone understands densities on the farms better than some others do. Hardly an insult but I have to say  you have been pretty hostile toward me from the outset. We disagree nothing wrong in that. Forums and blogs are a place for constructive dialogue. The fact everyone doesn't agree and share their reasons why is what the whole idea is about. As for mudslinging well I think your last comment directed to me would cover that.

[aquapaloosa]

Got it Annie.  I see why some people on other boards might have become hostile towards you.  You have, in the short time you have been here, reduced your responses to suggesting that if I do not agree with you, then I do not know what I am talking about. We're done.  Good-bye Ms P.  You can can go back to your mud slinging on the other boards.

This sounds more like AF than sandman.  Just sayin.  Nothing more.

[Rodney]

Actually I didn't insult you personally in the least.

Actually Sandman is right in this case. You can disagree with other participants, but you shouldn't suggest that they are not knowledgable and implying that they are not qualified in this discussion. If the same comment was made in a scientific peer discussion session, you'd be kicked out of there in no time because it is not professional.

If Sandman has made comments that appear to be insulting to you, you should always point them out and let us take care of it. From what I've read so far, I haven't seen any.

My recommendation to all participants in this discussion is to focus on the actual issue and refrain from commenting on each other's qualifications, ethics, etc.

[AnnieP]

Actually Sandman is right in this case. You can disagree with other participants, but you shouldn't suggest that they are not knowledgeable and implying that they are not qualified in this discussion. If the same comment was made in a scientific peer discussion session, you'd be kicked out of there in no time because it is not professional.

If Sandman has made comments that appear to be insulting to you, you should always point them out and let us take care of it. From what I've read so far, I haven't seen any.

My recommendation to all participants in this discussion is to focus on the actual issue and refrain from commenting on each other's qualifications, ethics, etc.

My response was to Steve not Sandman and I said I was glad someone knew about the levels of  actual density on fish farms. I fail to see it as an insult to anyone or a suggestion they don't know what they are talking about. I simply acknowledged that Steve knew about farm densities. I didn't suggest sandman was insulting either but I have sensed a hostility since his first comment directed at me. If he feels I insulted him then certainly I apologize. Perhaps my wording could have been clearer as to what I actually meant.

[Rodney]

Intentional or unintentional, I'm just seeing it from Sandman's POV and it does come off as a bit insulting because you two have been exchanging a dialogue, then you told another individual that you're glad someone (he) knows what they are talking about, which Sandman would interpret as that you think he does not know what he is talking about. I'm not blaming anyone here, but some clarification was needed to ease the tension if this discussion is to remain open. Carry on, I'm back to reading.

[AnnieP]

Intentional or unintentional, I'm just seeing it from Sandman's POV and it does come off as a bit insulting because you two have been exchanging a dialogue, then you told another individual that you're glad someone (he) knows what they are talking about, which Sandman would interpret as that you think he does not know what he is talking about. I'm not blaming anyone here, but some clarification was needed to ease the tension if this discussion is to remain open. Carry on, I'm back to reading.

Might I point out that I as the originator of the petition we were originally commenting on could say I find the bracketed (gag order request) in the above title insulting ? I never initiated a petition to gain a gag order, I originated a petition to ask CIFA and the Feds to put a stop to the deliberate violation of bio security measures by Morton put in place to prevent the spread of IHN
There is a lot of difference between a gag order to suppress speech  and a restraining order forcing an individual to abide by government placed quarantine for disease.

[AnnieP]

Hey Sandman, I just wanted to know what you meant by high densities - that's all.  I typically ask that type of a question when someone says either too high or too low (my father used to say "How long is a piece of string"}.  I just found the density value on BC Salmon Facts, so it is not as if I am a fish farmer and knew this all along.  If you think it's bogus then by all means express it.  I didn't mean any ill will by the question or make it seem like I was some aquaculturalist. I actually appreciate your coherent responses even if I do not agree with them all the time.  Peace.

Actually Steve farm densities are highly regulated. I know the anti crowd don't believe that fish farms adhere to strict regulations but that doesn't alter the fact they have to. A lot has changed since early days when  fish farming was in the early stages of development. Farms are only allowed to stock a certain amount of fish at any given time.  

[alwaysfishn]

Might I point out that I as the originator of the petition we were originally commenting on could say I find the bracketed (gag order request) in the above title insulting ? I never initiated a petition to gain a gag order, I originated a petition to ask CIFA and the Feds to put a stop to the deliberate violation of bio security measures by Morton put in place to prevent the spread of IHN
There is a lot of difference between a gag order to suppress speech  and a restraining order forcing an individual to abide by government placed quarantine for disease.

I've posted the actually wording of your petition here: "Morton has continued with a high profile agenda to smear aquaculture in BC world wide. She continually makes false and misleading statements about the industry . She deliberately violated bio security measures in place to prevent the spread of IHN. She places false and misleading information on the internet with the intent of causing harm to a viable BC industry that is directly and indirectly responsible for 6000 jobs."


I don't think the government needs your petition to motivate them to restrain Morton, if she was trespassing. There are likely laws that already cover that, and police that reinforce those laws. If you are asking the government to restrain Morton, why would you go on about her making false and misleading statements? What do her statements have to do with her alleged trespassing?

I think the thread heading quite accurately describes the intent of your petition.....

[AnnieP]

I've posted the actually wording of your petition here: "Morton has continued with a high profile agenda to smear aquaculture in BC world wide. She continually makes false and misleading statements about the industry . She deliberately violated bio security measures in place to prevent the spread of IHN. She places false and misleading information on the internet with the intent of causing harm to a viable BC industry that is directly and indirectly responsible for 6000 jobs."


I don't think the government needs your petition to motivate them to restrain Morton, if she was trespassing. There are likely laws that already cover that, and police that reinforce those laws. If you are asking the government to restrain Morton, why would you go on about her making false and misleading statements? What do her statements have to do with her alleged trespassing?

I think the thread heading quite accurately describes the intent of your petition.....

The petition title is " Restrain Alexandra Morton from trespass bio security & quarantine measures".  The site requires you post some history about the individual and why you are posting the petition. Not everyone knows who she is and what her agenda is.  Ms Morton was in fact escorted from a quarantine site by the RCMP and CFIA.  She recklessly crossed a quarantine line and could easily have been the cause of spread of IHN. Do you think it's okay for anyone to cross any quarantine area illegally and risk spreading disease bio security measures have been placed to prevent spread of ?

[alwaysfishn]

The petition title is " Restrain Alexandra Morton from trespass bio security & quarantine measures".  The site requires you post some history about the individual and why you are posting the petition. Not everyone knows who she is and what her agenda is.  Ms Morton was in fact escorted from a quarantine site by the RCMP and CFIA.  She recklessly crossed a quarantine line and could easily have been the cause of spread of IHN. Do you think it's okay for anyone to cross any quarantine area illegally and risk spreading disease bio security measures have been placed to prevent spread of ?

Sounds like hearsay and inuendo.....  Show me some proof Annie!