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[aquapaloosa]

no one other than a feedlot farmer could understand raw disease data

Again this is something only you have said.  It is not what anyone here has said. 

[absolon]

It is ridiculous to suggest that no one other than a feedlot farmer could understand raw disease data....  also untrue.

It is ridiculous to suggest that anyone other than someone with fairly extensive training and a good deal of experience in fish pathology, epidemiology, virology and fish biology could make any sense of what the data indicates.

That is no doubt the reason Morton would love to get her hands on it. She can interpret it to mean whatever she chooses in order to grab headlines and virtually no-one outside the fish health community will be the wiser. It's her standard operating procedure and the most prevalent tactic you folks use in your war on the farms.

[AnnieP]

It is ridiculous to suggest that no one other than a feedlot farmer could understand raw disease data....  also untrue.

Fish farmers don't claim to be able to understand the data in fact they say nothing................... They leave it to the people like Dr. Marty to interpret  professionals  if you get my drift  ::)As for Morton who is not a fish pathologist, a fish veterinarian or a marine biologist.she  sucks people like you in with her pretence that she can interpret the data.

[alwaysfishn]

That is no doubt the reason Morton would love to get her hands on it. She can interpret it to mean whatever she chooses in order to grab headlines and virtually no-one outside the fish health community will be the wiser.

That's interesting.....   you are suggesting it is possible for someone to take the data and make the summary report say whatever they want?

Perhaps that's what the feedlot people are doing right  now! Everyone knows Dr Marty is the DFO/feedlot's lapdog and will say anything they want him to say....  and sound convincing!

That's exactly why we need the public to see the raw data so we can use our own experts to analyze the data. If Dr Marty has a problem with the analysis then he is certainly free to speak up. At least the public sees it from another perspective if one exists.

We don't need someone to chew our food for us......

[troutbreath]

Boot lickers like this (S)Marty(pants) guy usually get the boot anyway once their services are no longer usefull. Before they start to spill the beans on their crap they were so happy to shovel out. They suck people in like a black hole with bamboozled analysis that always gets countered down the road. Like some other black holes who keep supporting the dirty fish.

Good on ya AF for keeping the light on the black hole.

[Bassonator]

Boot lickers like this (S)Marty(pants) guy usually get the boot anyway once their services are no longer usefull. Before they start to spill the beans on their crap they were so happy to shovel out. They suck people in like a black hole with bamboozled analysis that always gets countered down the road. Like some other black holes who keep supporting the dirty fish.

Good on ya AF for keeping the light on the black hole.

Sorta like you and AF brown nosin... ...time to change the avatar..gotta keep the fans happy.

[AnnieP]

That's interesting.....   you are suggesting it is possible for someone to take the data and make the summary report say whatever they want?

Perhaps that's what the feedlot people are doing right  now! Everyone knows Dr Marty is the DFO/feedlot's lapdog and will say anything they want him to say....  and sound convincing!

That's exactly why we need the public to see the raw data so we can use our own experts to analyze the data. If Dr Marty has a problem with the analysis then he is certainly free to speak up. At least the public sees it from another perspective if one exists.

We don't need someone to chew our food for us......

Anyone with a brain knows Morton will twist the data to fit her agenda. She still claims Kibenge found ISA even though he didn't. Your own experts ? And who would they be AF ?? Name them please ?? As for the public wanting to see it I don't think you are qualified to speak for the public as a whole. I certainly haven't ask you to speak for me.

[BentRodsGuiding]

Actually anyone with a brain knows the ENORMOUS trail of disease and problems that have followed ocean based Salmon farming since it's beginnings.

Everyone has their own pet biologists, fish farmers are no exception.

The placement of Salmon farms on wild salmon migratory routes is ludicrous and no amount of spin doctoring will change this poorly chosen decision.

Farmed Salmon tastes like crap, looks like crap, therfore, it is without question CRAP.

We knew Salmon farms were disaster long before Ms. Morton made it her agenda to save wild salmon.

[Bassonator]

Well heres some ones jigs Ill no longer be purchasing...lol...kidding, all Im looking for is documented proof, and please dont list the standard Chile, norway, european yada yada as we know its a different kettle of fish. So far the only damage being done is our wilds killing the farmed fish.

[shuswapsteve]

That's interesting.....   you are suggesting it is possible for someone to take the data and make the summary report say whatever they want?

Perhaps that's what the feedlot people are doing right  now! Everyone knows Dr Marty is the DFO/feedlot's lapdog and will say anything they want him to say....  and sound convincing!

That's exactly why we need the public to see the raw data so we can use our own experts to analyze the data. If Dr Marty has a problem with the analysis then he is certainly free to speak up. At least the public sees it from another perspective if one exists.

We don't need someone to chew our food for us......

Actually, it is possible for someone to take the data and make the summary report say whatever they want.  The difference is that Dr. Marty is a board certified fish pathologist - Ms Morton is not.  Dr. Marty and his immediate colleagues are obligated to clearly outline their methodology as you have seen in the annual reports that I have posted for you. Ms Morton produces no reports on her fish health raw data - only blog posts on safe sites.  Ms Morton will say her sampling group uses “standardized protocols”, but does not explain what they are – instead wants you to trust her (very transparent, huh…lol?).  People like Dr. Marty had to testify at a judicial inquiry to explain this raw data that WAS released to the public.  This means that your experts, which you do not mention, can look at it themselves.  Dr. Marty also had to explain his methodology which was also made public on transcripts.  On the other hand, people like Ms Morton, who has no experience with fish pathology or fish biology, merely takes this raw data and makes her own conclusions – not held to the same standards as Dr. Marty.

Ms Morton then has fish sampled, sent to a lab for testing and then makes these bold claims of alphaviruses (first ever occurrence in BC waters apparently) and reoviruses which she posts on her blog, but doesn’t feel obligated to inform the public of her raw data.  Does she believe that you are not able to understand it, AF?  Do you think she is hiding something?  Here is 1 of the 3 premises of the Dept. of Wild Salmon:

Salmon health has to be public information to make the decisions that will produce the most salmon.

Somehow it seems the release of salmon health information and methdology only applies to people like Dr. Marty but not to people like Ms Morton.  Ms Morton is clearly a hypocrite that says one thing and does something else.  It should be pretty obvious to anyone who is much more transparent and forthcoming.  Time to get off of Ms Morton’s lap, AF.

[alwaysfishn]

Actually, it is possible for someone to take the data and make the summary report say whatever they want.  The difference is that Dr. Marty is a board certified fish pathologist -

You need to open your eyes and realize that Dr Marty is likely taking the data and making the summary report say exactly what the aquaculture industry wants him to say. If he said anything that implicated the feedlot business he would be looking for new employment.

That's why we need people like Morton to look at things from a wild salmon perspective.

[AnnieP]

Actually anyone with a brain knows the ENORMOUS trail of disease and problems that have followed ocean based Salmon farming since it's beginnings.

Everyone has their own pet biologists, fish farmers are no exception.

The placement of Salmon farms on wild salmon migratory routes is ludicrous and no amount of spin doctoring will change this poorly chosen decision.

Farmed Salmon tastes like crap, looks like crap, therfore, it is without question CRAP.

We knew Salmon farms were disaster long before Ms. Morton made it her agenda to save wild salmon.

Farmed salmon does not taste like crap, doesn't look like crap so isn't crap. Obviously a lot of people disagree with you or the industry wouldn't have grown to the size it is. If you don't like it don't eat it and leave it at that. In France for instance you will find it in pretty much every restaurant and market you go to. It is extremely popular in Europe.

[AnnieP]

You need to open your eyes and realize that Dr Marty is likely taking the data and making the summary report say exactly what the aquaculture industry wants him to say. If he said anything that implicated the feedlot business he would be looking for new employment.

That's why we need people like Morton to look at things from a wild salmon perspective.

You need to open your eyes and realize that Alexandra Morton is likely taking the data and making the summary report say exactly what the she wants it to say. If she said anything that didn't implicate the feedlot business she would be looking for new employment.

That's why we need trained experts like Dr. Marty looking at the tests. From a wild salmon perspective the diseases are endemic to pacific salmon.

[dnibbles]

You need to open your eyes and realize that Alexandra Morton is likely taking the data and making the summary report say exactly what the she wants it to say. If she said anything that didn't implicate the feedlot business she would be looking for new employment.

That's why we need trained experts like Dr. Marty looking at the tests. From a wild salmon perspective the diseases are endemic to pacific salmon.

hahahahahah

Awesome :-)

[shuswapsteve]

You need to open your eyes and realize that Alexandra Morton is likely taking the data and making the summary report say exactly what the she wants it to say. If she said anything that didn't implicate the feedlot business she would be looking for new employment.

That's why we need trained experts like Dr. Marty looking at the tests. From a wild salmon perspective the diseases are endemic to pacific salmon.

That's more like it!  Thanks, Annie.