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[AnnieP]

And that is the trouble as too may people donot care about the environment and attempt to save it. We can look at the past and see there is too many example of that. I think you are intelligent enough to see what they are.

Without people like Alex and there is more than just her that are trying to stop the slide down the slippery slope that is fast approaching.

Apparently you don't know much about commercial salmon fishing or how it's demise came about. I am married to someone who was a fourth generation commercial salmon fisherman. When I met him in 1982 salmon fishing was bad that year. His family lost several boats to the bank because the interest rate had climbed to 28% and lack of fish made it impossible to make their payments like many other commercial fishers that year. The truth about the commercial salmon fishery and the demise of wild stocks is well researched in a book entitled "Salmon the decline of the British Columbia fishery " written by Geoff Meggs  My husband's family have a long history with the commercial industry. My husband's grandfather sat on the law of the sea conference in Venezuela in the 70's when Canada negotiated the 200 hundred mile limit and was given the order of Canada for his participation and for his representation of FN peoples. My husband's family had the chum test  charter in Johnstone strait for years. They also did chum and pink tagging for the DFO in the fifties. I am well aware of the fluctuation of mainland pinks returns and the fact it has nothing to do with sea lice which Alex Morton claims to have " discovered " in the Broughton in 2007. Mainland pinks have historically come back high and low for decades and that is why they were studied by the DFO in the first place. Long before fish farms. Morton's claim that everything wrong with wild salmon is the fault of fish farms is nothing but an activist pointing the finger at a convenient scapegoat . Where's the science ? Her unprofessional behaviour speaks for itself. She is not a scientist and has certainly not demonstrated any measure of professionalism whatsoever. Respected scientists don't march down island wearing plastic sealice on their faces, they don't deface bridges with graffiti, they don't insult respected scientists like Richard Beamish , they don't dump garbage at the doors of local businesses, they don't throw fish at Aquaculture business doorways etc. Morton is nothing but a public nuisance and if she were fourteen years old she would be charged with vandalism and public mischief  for some of her childish public demonstrations and given community service in punishment. She behaves worse than any teenage hooligan. Racist remarks from her followers toward visiting dignataries from Norway is disgusting and personally if the American Morton doesn't like Norwegians for whatever reason she can keep it to herself or go back to the USA as far as I'm concerned. Racism has NO place in Canada .

[AnnieP]

And that is the trouble as too may people donot care about the environment and attempt to save it. We can look at the past and see there is too many example of that. I think you are intelligent enough to see what they are.

Without people like Alex and there is more than just her that are trying to stop the slide down the slippery slope that is fast approaching.

Another good book is written by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray former governor of Washington state entitled " Environmental Overkill ". The truth behing the frightening headlines of environmental disaster. Ms Ray highlights some of the worst campaigns by environmentalists and how they actually did more harm than good. She discusses how people lost jobs due to over zealous activists and their unscientific and unproven claims. It fits Morton and her agenda to a tee.

[Bently]

Racism has NO place in Canada .

Unless your a Seven Day'er named Wakus and you don't think that herring opening's should happen on Saturday's.

[AnnieP]

Unless your a Seven Day'er named Wakus and you don't think that herring opening's should happen on Saturday's.

At one time Sunday was observed by Christians as the sabbath. Seventh dayers observe Saturday although I agree if it opened on Saturday they should have had the option to fish or not and the rest of the fleet shouldn't have been penalized for someone else's beliefs. Hardly racism though.

[alwaysfishn]

Another example of how the feedlots are like a giant mosquito......

"Serious salmon farming is coming to Nova Scotia. Wonderful news, you’ve surely heard. Lots of jobs. A few people are against it, of course, but this shouldn’t be a problem — just come-from-aways fretting about the views from their fancy properties.

If that’s how you understand it, think again.

Salmon farming has gone from being a good idea on a modest scale to a pernicious excess worldwide involving noxious chemicals, harm to wild fisheries, lavish taxpayer subsidies and unwholesome government/industry collusion.

What’s coming to Nova Scotia is what’s going awry elsewhere. The recent wipeout of salmon farms in Shelburne Harbour by infectious salmon anemia — after the entire industry in Chile was similarly wiped out — may have perked your attention. The fact that you, the taxpayer, will be paying to restore the operation should perk it even more.

Nova Scotia is late to salmon farming. Our bays are becoming available because of global warming. The fish in the first operations 35 years ago often froze. We have time, in other words, to do it right. Alas, the government, even as it prepares an aquaculture strategy, is giving little indication of that. Applications for cages have been rubber-stamped; regulations run over; a vast coalition of opponents from the commercial fishery, tourism, sports fishing and others wanting a moratorium on open-pen aquaculture until it’s all worked out can’t get the time of day from government, and so on.

Nova Scotia is the next phase of operations for Canada’s salmon farming multinational, Cooke Aquaculture, the largest in North America, which is finding things tricky in its main operations in New Brunswick. Ditto for Loch Duart, bursting out of Scotland, that wants to set up in Eastern Shore bays and inlets.

 

In New Brunswick, Cooke is up for trial on 72 counts of dumping illegal substances after a two-year investigation into dead lobsters by Environment Canada in the salmon farming areas of the Bay of Fundy. Cooke CEO Glenn Cooke and two other executives are named. Penalties are up to three years in jail or a $1-million fine per count or both.

Plus this, from recent hearings of the Senate fisheries committee in Ottawa. In 2010, the New Brunswick Fisheries Department OK’d the use of a powerful chemical called AlphaMax against sea lice in the salmon cages, after some cursory tests. Sea lice are a big problem, and they get progressively immune to the chemicals used against them. They’re also crustaceans, so poisons used against them will affect other shellfish. Suspicious agents from Environment Canada showed up, put dye in the chemical as it was being applied, and followed the plume as far as eight kilometres out, immersing caged lobsters in it as they went. The lobsters all died. A stop was put to its use.

Here’s the kicker. The Harper government is gutting the Fisheries Act and Environment Canada. In future, the committee heard, stopping such activities will be harder, maybe impossible.

There are other problems.

The caged salmon industry trades on the image of the leaping wild salmon. In fact, the nice pink you see on farmed salmon in the stores is food dye (“lucantin pink” from BASF chemicals or “carophyll pink” from Roche pharmaceuticals). In some cases, there are antibiotics and hormones. There was a bust-up in Britain this winter: cautions from health authorities, and a headline in the admittedly over-the-top Daily Mail that proclaimed “pink poison.”

Aquaculture was meant to supplement declining wild stocks of fish. Mostly it has. But in the case of farmed salmon, it takes four to seven kilograms of feed to make one kilogram of salmon. The feed is fishmeal from herring mackerel, anchovies, Arctic krill and others along the food chain. Thus, it’s far more destructive than helpful to the world’s fisheries. Plus, almost invariably, wherever fish farms appear, wild salmon stocks disappear. The St. Mary’s River and others of Eastern Nova Scotia are marked waters if Loch Duart gets its way.

Not least, salmon cages are extremely polluting. It’s like a sewer outfall wherever they establish — from excess feed and feces and sometimes heavy metals, like zinc and copper, from cage de-fouling agents.

And the promise of jobs is largely illusory. According to Susanna Fuller, co-ordinator of the marine divisions of the Ecology Action Centre, even within aquaculture, salmon farming is near the bottom as operations become more automated. She has produced an analysis on behalf of the “responsible aquaculture” coalition. It’s available on the EAC website under “marine.” It was created for the benefit of government. “They weren’t giving us any information, so we gave them some,” she says.

The coalition, which includes most of the commercial fishery, don’t want an end to salmon farming. They want it sustainable, an addition rather than a detriment to the wild fishery — an end, for example, to “open-pen” farming in favour of shore-based pens. The companies complain this is not economically feasible. A big mouthful for an industry which, says Fuller, has a 50 per cent rate of return and is stuffed silly with subsidies."

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/95565-salmon-farming-an-industry-that-needs-to-be-caged

[AnnieP]

Another example of how the feedlots are like a giant mosquito......

"Serious salmon farming is coming to Nova Scotia. Wonderful news, you’ve surely heard. Lots of jobs. A few people are against it, of course, but this shouldn’t be a problem — just come-from-aways fretting about the views from their fancy properties.

If that’s how you understand it, think again.

Salmon farming has gone from being a good idea on a modest scale to a pernicious excess worldwide involving noxious chemicals, harm to wild fisheries, lavish taxpayer subsidies and unwholesome government/industry collusion.

What’s coming to Nova Scotia is what’s going awry elsewhere. The recent wipeout of salmon farms in Shelburne Harbour by infectious salmon anemia — after the entire industry in Chile was similarly wiped out — may have perked your attention. The fact that you, the taxpayer, will be paying to restore the operation should perk it even more.

Nova Scotia is late to salmon farming. Our bays are becoming available because of global warming. The fish in the first operations 35 years ago often froze. We have time, in other words, to do it right. Alas, the government, even as it prepares an aquaculture strategy, is giving little indication of that. Applications for cages have been rubber-stamped; regulations run over; a vast coalition of opponents from the commercial fishery, tourism, sports fishing and others wanting a moratorium on open-pen aquaculture until it’s all worked out can’t get the time of day from government, and so on.

Nova Scotia is the next phase of operations for Canada’s salmon farming multinational, Cooke Aquaculture, the largest in North America, which is finding things tricky in its main operations in New Brunswick. Ditto for Loch Duart, bursting out of Scotland, that wants to set up in Eastern Shore bays and inlets.

 

In New Brunswick, Cooke is up for trial on 72 counts of dumping illegal substances after a two-year investigation into dead lobsters by Environment Canada in the salmon farming areas of the Bay of Fundy. Cooke CEO Glenn Cooke and two other executives are named. Penalties are up to three years in jail or a $1-million fine per count or both.

Plus this, from recent hearings of the Senate fisheries committee in Ottawa. In 2010, the New Brunswick Fisheries Department OK’d the use of a powerful chemical called AlphaMax against sea lice in the salmon cages, after some cursory tests. Sea lice are a big problem, and they get progressively immune to the chemicals used against them. They’re also crustaceans, so poisons used against them will affect other shellfish. Suspicious agents from Environment Canada showed up, put dye in the chemical as it was being applied, and followed the plume as far as eight kilometres out, immersing caged lobsters in it as they went. The lobsters all died. A stop was put to its use.

Here’s the kicker. The Harper government is gutting the Fisheries Act and Environment Canada. In future, the committee heard, stopping such activities will be harder, maybe impossible.

There are other problems.

The caged salmon industry trades on the image of the leaping wild salmon. In fact, the nice pink you see on farmed salmon in the stores is food dye (“lucantin pink” from BASF chemicals or “carophyll pink” from Roche pharmaceuticals). In some cases, there are antibiotics and hormones. There was a bust-up in Britain this winter: cautions from health authorities, and a headline in the admittedly over-the-top Daily Mail that proclaimed “pink poison.”

Aquaculture was meant to supplement declining wild stocks of fish. Mostly it has. But in the case of farmed salmon, it takes four to seven kilograms of feed to make one kilogram of salmon. The feed is fishmeal from herring mackerel, anchovies, Arctic krill and others along the food chain. Thus, it’s far more destructive than helpful to the world’s fisheries. Plus, almost invariably, wherever fish farms appear, wild salmon stocks disappear. The St. Mary’s River and others of Eastern Nova Scotia are marked waters if Loch Duart gets its way.

Not least, salmon cages are extremely polluting. It’s like a sewer outfall wherever they establish — from excess feed and feces and sometimes heavy metals, like zinc and copper, from cage de-fouling agents.

And the promise of jobs is largely illusory. According to Susanna Fuller, co-ordinator of the marine divisions of the Ecology Action Centre, even within aquaculture, salmon farming is near the bottom as operations become more automated. She has produced an analysis on behalf of the “responsible aquaculture” coalition. It’s available on the EAC website under “marine.” It was created for the benefit of government. “They weren’t giving us any information, so we gave them some,” she says.

The coalition, which includes most of the commercial fishery, don’t want an end to salmon farming. They want it sustainable, an addition rather than a detriment to the wild fishery — an end, for example, to “open-pen” farming in favour of shore-based pens. The companies complain this is not economically feasible. A big mouthful for an industry which, says Fuller, has a 50 per cent rate of return and is stuffed silly with subsidies."

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/95565-salmon-farming-an-industry-that-needs-to-be-caged

Nice spiel but doesn't address the fact that there is no closed containment system that can farm salmon on the level it is farmed now. Agri-Marine's attempt at closed containment was a colossal failure this year when hurricane force  winds hit Campbell River. The water based tank touted to be leading edge by Agri-Marine literally blew apart in the hurricane force winds that hit Middle Point site. Fish escaped and Agri Marine stated in a TV newscast it  didn't matter that fish escaped because they were Chinook. Really ?? As for land based sites I guess we will see when the Alert Bay band start up their closed containment on the Nimpkish River sometime in the future. The truth is closed containment would be detrimental to the environment on a number of levels. It would consume vast quantities of water, diesel fuel, electricity and land. It would pollute the air and probably cause a lot of noise pollution if built on the scale necessary to earn a profit. And then there would be the next group of activists protesting it on some bogus claim or another. Most of what you have posted is so old it's mouldy. Beating the dead horse again AF. Feed ratios, colouring etc. all false . Just another rant from the anti crowd.

[Easywater]

Nice spiel but doesn't address the fact that there is no closed containment system that can farm salmon on the level it is farmed now. Agri-Marine's attempt at closed containment was a colossal failure this year when hurricane force  winds hit Campbell River. The water based tank touted to be leading edge by Agri-Marine literally blew apart in the hurricane force winds that hit Middle Point site. Fish escaped and Agri Marine stated in a TV newscast it  didn't matter that fish escaped because they were Chinook. Really ?? As for land based sites I guess we will see when the Alert Bay band start up their closed containment on the Nimpkish River sometime in the future. The truth is closed containment would be detrimental to the environment on a number of levels. It would consume vast quantities of water, diesel fuel, electricity and land. It would pollute the air and probably cause a lot of noise pollution if built on the scale necessary to earn a profit. And then there would be the next group of activists protesting it on some bogus claim or another. Most of what you have posted is so old it's mouldy. Beating the dead horse again AF. Feed ratios, colouring etc. all false . Just another rant from the anti crowd.

So you are saying that dyes are no longer used to colour Atlantic salmon?

[troutbreath]

If you got a freedom of information request for the feed ingredients for farmed salmon......you would think you were looking at "roach" killer dyed red.

[AnnieP]

If you got a freedom of information request for the feed ingredients for farmed salmon......you would think you were looking at "roach" killer dyed red.

Nice exaggeration TB. Farmed salmon are fed:

A natural, well-balanced fish feed (fish meal)  important to ensure healthy salmon. Fish feed suppliers produce feed in accordance with Canadian government feed regulations. All ingredients are inspected by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

Carotenoid pigment produces the rich red hue in both wild and farmed salmon. Wild salmon receive this pigment through sources such as krill and other crustaceans; farmed salmon receive this same pigment (astaxanthin and canthaxanthin) in their feed.

Fish are fed a  balanced diet containing oils derived from plants such as soybean and fish as well as fish meal and natural fillers. The fish feed conversion ratio-the amount of feed required to produce a similar weight of fish-is approximately one-to-one. The efficient conversion of feed to weight of fish harvested is key component of sustainable fish farming. In addition  fish feed does not contain any added hormones or steroids.

Fish feed contains:
 


Fish Meal & plant protein

38-50%
 


Fish Oil & plant oil

20-38%
 


Fibre & NFE

1-13%
 


Ash

0%
 


Moisture

7%
 


Vitamins, minerals, pigment

<1%

[AnnieP]

So you are saying that dyes are no longer used to colour Atlantic salmon?



http://www.bellona.org/aquaculture/artikler/Dyes_in_salmon

Not actually a dye as commonly known. Another Morton misconception.

[EZ_Rolling]

Pigment / dye


Sound pretty similar .... Could also include artificial coulor .....may contain ......

[AnnieP]

Pigment / dye


Sound pretty similar .... Could also include artificial coulor .....may contain ......

You are aware that black cod or sable fish is dyed red and is actually yellow when smoked naturally ? I'd eat a farmed salmon before I eat commercial caught and smoked sable fish thank you.

[AnnieP]

Pigment / dye


Sound pretty similar .... Could also include artificial coulor .....may contain ......
[/quote



Myth #5: The red dye used in farmed salmon is a health concern.

Actually the red "dye" added to the feed of farmed salmon is a nutrient--the same carotenoid (astaxanthin) found in the wild.There is no evidence to suggest this compound is harmful to humans.Though manufactured synthetically it is FDA-approved, and probably more good than bad for you.

[EZ_Rolling]

I wouldn't eat either  yuck

[EZ_Rolling]

My salmon contain no additives .....thank you very much

You go eat your " modified " super fish